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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: August 03, 2020, 11:24:57 PM »
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\
Yup. The population of Mayo in the early 1840s was greater than that of Dublin.

Are you suggesting that Dublin planned the Famine?!
What?? Are you suggesting them conniving bastards didn't? ;D

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: August 01, 2020, 02:37:11 PM »
if dublin is split does that mean the club teams will be split aswell so we could see a north dublin club championship

Presumably. How many clubs in the Corpo area? I make it 14 or so, with 4 senior football and 5 hurling. So the Central Dublin Capitals become, by a mile, the smallest county by participation and club numbers

The Dun Laoighre Kingsmen are a mid level hurling power and the Fingal Flyers and South Dublin Moneyballs both are decent football teams with zero fans.
Who pays for your facilities if your cash cow has less players than Leitrim?
I agree with you here. Just splitting Dublin, in any number of units, could cause more problems than it would solve.
But it is important to remember that at least 90 per cent of the population of Leitrim follow GAA affairs, whereas only 10 per cent at most of Dubs do likewise.
I have said before that the greater Finglas area has roughly the same size population as County Cavan but, to all intents and purposes, Finglas has only one that counts, Erinís Isle, a mid- sized senior club and about middle of the ranking.
Leitrim wonít win an AI but the future of the GAA is more assured
than it is in Dublin and not just Finglas.
So, should Dublin be split or not be split, that is the question, as Shakespeare might put it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: July 31, 2020, 11:10:09 PM »
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\
Yup. The population of Mayo in the early 1840s was greater than that of Dublin.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: July 24, 2020, 02:22:42 PM »
As I see it, there must be serious demand for his services or he wouldn't have set up his business in the first  place. If he gets people to sign on, he's a lucky bugger and fair play to him. I can't see anyone being forced to pay for his services.
I have no problem with any GAA player doing anything (legal) to bring in a few bob.
When you consider the time, effort and loss of freedom they all put in to play for their clubs and counties, I can't see how anyone could begrudge them cashing in on their public profiles.
There was a big fuss a few years back when  Gooch held a dinner and charged a hefty price for tickets. Nobody was obliged to put their hands in their pockets, and by all accounts, there was sell out crowd. Many people, upright champions of the amateur ethos, tied their jocks in knots at the thought of a GAA player profiting in any way from any connection with the game.
Good luck to Dean; I wouldn't dream of paying his prices if I had kids interested but I'm not everybody.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: July 13, 2020, 01:22:00 PM »
You might give is a few real examples please ?

And try and avoid the use of the obsolete term "free state".
That was abolished in 1937 and is usually only used by Northern extremists lecturing the people they claim they want to unite with.
+1
'nuff said!

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: June 28, 2020, 01:03:47 AM »
Dara Calleary was shafted completely. FF deputy leader and didn't get a senior ministry job.

Yeah, that was a big shock for him. At the cabinet table but I'd say he expected more
It shows Martin isn't just a pretty face. Calleary, and O'Callaghan especially, were just a few who were put firmly in their places.I don't know much about Calleary and his intentions to go further, if you follow me, but O'Callaghan was openly touting his chances of replacing Martin if the coalition talks failed.
Martin will need to keep an eye on the malcontents in his party but I'd say he is well able for them.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« on: June 25, 2020, 11:01:16 PM »
Here's one to keep the pot boiling...
David Brady (Balls.ie on Monday.) on Cillian O'Connor: "He's the best player I've seen put on a Mayo jersey, in every way, shape or form. There were some opportunities from frees in the dying moments, but they are not going to blur my opinion that he is Mayo's finest. He still has the ability and the longevity to go on.

His scoring capability, his goal-scoring, his link play, the way he commands winning the ball. They are signs of a special player and I do rate him as number one."

Agree? Disagree?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« on: June 25, 2020, 11:49:57 AM »
Having considerably more time than sense lately. I decided to check out Cillianís scoring returns, some of them at any rate.
I decided to concentrate on his championship games from 2011 to 2019, his entire championship games so far, that he scored in and I used Willie Joeís blog for the statistics.
The format I used is fairly straightforward.
The year, the number of games he scored in, the monthly total of actual scores and finally, the number of scores from frees, penalties, 45s etc.


So, here goesÖ.

2011, 5 games, total score 1-19, frees etc. 0-14
2012, 5 games, total score 0-21, frees etc. 0-19
2013, 5 games, total score 6-22, frees etc, 0-18
2014, 6 games, total score 5-36, frees etc. 4-25
2015, 5 games, total score 3-34, frees etc. 1-29
2016, 9 games, total score 2-44, frees etc. 1-34
2017, 10 games, total score 3-66, frees etc. 1-48
2018, 4 games, total score 3-22, frees etc. 0-18
2019, 6 games, total score  2-26, frees etc. 0-19


He scored in a total of 55 games, notching up 25-290 in all with 7-224 from placed balls. His total from play in that period was 18-66.
His overall score in points was 365 and of that, 245 came from placed balls and 120 was from open play. In other words,approximately one third of his total came from open play.


I have COC record as 25-297(372) in 55 championship  games. Remarkable record.  Sean O'Shea and maybe David Clifford  will get close to the record.
if they do They will deserve it .
and lets hope every can find it n they hearts to credit them for it , unlike the reaction to Cillain Just because he can look after himself
in fact one of the biggest barriers they will face  is each other .

I have no issue with O'Connor being able to look after himself. He just happens to be a fairly limited player who has benefited from being handed a free taking duties.

His brother who also has some of his less endearing attributes is 10 times the player COC is and one of the best half forwards in the country.

If Mayo had a Michael Murphy, Conor McManus, Paul Geaney etc, the likelihood is that O'Connor would then really struggle to make that Mayo team. They solve the free taking duties and there's no way you can say that O'Connor gives you what Andy Moran, Jason Doherty, his brother, Aidan O'Shea or Kevin McLoughlin do from play.
do you not Believe stats and relay on your own prejudices instead. Cillain is a better player than any of those when it comes to scoring and I would not swap any of them ,
then you continue your nonsense by blaming Cillian for having other great players on the team , ow far would any player get if he was playing with Donkeys
another great leadership aspect of Cillian's is you never hear him ( or any of the mayo team) whinging about how hard life is and how warm and comfortable sitting by the fire  is like Niall morgan is going on with the lst few day
.  A great way to undermine you team . Will harte put up that Crap?
Well said. Ros. You've put your point of view very well and it's up to others to answer it-  if they can.

I've never hidden the fact that I had high hopes of Cillian in his early years. I think POTY at 20 and 21 speaks for itself. But, IMO anyway, he's gone apeshit in later years.  A hot-headed player could be a red card walking and all it needs for the opposition manager to put the great plonk on is team to mark this guy and to needles and harass him until he rears up and get a red card. Doesn't matter if theddecoy gets the line too- his loss won't be as great as the hothead's on the other team.
This hasn't happened to O'Connor yet but he's always courting disaster unless he concentrates on his football and gives up the handbagging.
However, a reporter with the Mayo News told me recently that Cillian is determined to give it a mighty lash this year as he knows time is running short for him and his mates. I'm hoping and praying that this is going to happen.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« on: June 24, 2020, 12:02:11 PM »
In fairness, 120pts from play, in Championship football puts him ahead of many others in the scoring charts. With just his scores from play he'd be ahead of many players total scores. Examples - Derry's Mark Lynch and Enda Muldoon. Ahead of Martin McHugh, D Connolly, D O'Sullivan and Tompkins.  Another 15 points from play and he'd overtake the totals of Mugsy, Coulter, Thomas Freeman, B Devenney, Enda Gormley and Paul Barden - and a good few of those got the bulk of their scores from frees.

A lot of those guys were half forwards and part time free takers and never took penalties playing for teams who did not dominate opposition quite like Mayo have.

Muldoon for example played a lot of football at midfield and probably played less Championship games in his career than O'Connor has to date.

Context is extremely important.

Of course it is. I have Muldoon and Lynch making 54 C'ship appearance for Derry. Muldoon did play out field a bit, but was regularly used as FF, as he was when Derry got to the AI semifinals in 2001 & 2004.

I have O'Connor on 55 appearances (one more than Lar accounted, but we'll not fall out over that)

The following players have made more than 55 C'ship appearances:
Gooch - 85
John Doyle - 67
Murphy - 67
B Brogan - 66
P Joyce - 60
McDonnell - 62
McManus - 57
S O'Neill - 65
Mulligan - 61
Coulter - 58

Quite a few of those were predominantly inside forwards and the go to men on the dominant team, as well as hitting frees.  A few of them have multiple All-Ireland titles. Some have one. Only Doyle, McManus and Coulter are without.

And if we are applying the logic of discounting large individual scores against "weaker" opposition, then the same should be applied to all players.
Eg Dean Rock scored 1-11 against Roscommon last year(?) That's gone.
The 3-04 McDonnell scored against Limerick in 2003
The 3-04 A O'Shea scored against Sligo in 2015

I think we should set up and panel to decide which scores count and which do not.
Touchť!
Sorry 'bout that. I thought I had corrected the figure in the final draft but I see I let it through.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« on: June 24, 2020, 12:07:36 AM »
Having considerably more time than sense lately. I decided to check out Cillianís scoring returns, some of them at any rate.
I decided to concentrate on his championship games from 2011 to 2019, his entire championship games so far, that he scored in and I used Willie Joeís blog for the statistics.
The format I used is fairly straightforward.
The year, the number of games he scored in, the monthly total of actual scores and finally, the number of scores from frees, penalties, 45s etc.


So, here goesÖ.

2011, 5 games, total score 1-19, frees etc. 0-14
2012, 5 games, total score 0-21, frees etc. 0-19
2013, 5 games, total score 6-22, frees etc, 0-18
2014, 6 games, total score 5-36, frees etc. 4-25
2015, 5 games, total score 3-34, frees etc. 1-29
2016, 9 games, total score 2-44, frees etc. 1-34
2017, 10 games, total score 3-66, frees etc. 1-48
2018, 4 games, total score 3-22, frees etc. 0-18
2019, 6 games, total score  2-26, frees etc. 0-19


He scored in a total of 55 games, notching up 25-290 in all with 7-224 from placed balls. His total from play in that period was 18-66.
His overall score in points was 365 and of that, 245 came from placed balls and 120 was from open play. In other words,approximately one third of his total came from open play.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« on: June 22, 2020, 02:23:43 AM »
Back in his YPOTY days, I thought OíConnor was the most exciting Mayo prospect in years. He seemed capable of reading a game better than many far more senior to him; he could appear to be in the right place at the right time and while some would put this down to luck, I felt it was because of his superb anticipation and timing. I always felt he was a bit slow off the mark and never made the grade as a fielder but he was a natural leader of men; it was obvious that others played more positively whenever he was on the field. He could, and still can, capitalise on  a half chance better than anyone else I know.
Dara ”íSť said more or less that same after the Ď13 final. Saying Mayo had every reason to feel confident of future success with the likes of him around. He also said Cillian was the most superbly conditioned individual he had seen in a long time.
That was back then, now is a different country.
 I donít recall him having a name for petulance back then, maybe Iím wrong and my memory can be notoriously flaky but nowadays you will never find anyone standing up for his sportsmanship and general quality of play than committed Mayo fans.
In my opinion, all GAA players are amateurs and Iíd go easy on the abuse if a player has a bad day or even an extended run of sub- par performances. Sickness, injury, stress and pressure of all types from all angles can affect any player.
I know Cillian took THAT missed free in the dying minutes oof the Ď17 final very badly and felt he had let his county down. Some Mayo club players told me it took the poor fella months to recover his composure which was indeed a pity.
He had done his best and no one could have expected more from him.
But his conduct over the last few seasons has pissed me off a lot.
The elbows and trips and general bad mouthing have become his stock in trade and if anyone wonders why he has no fans outside of Mayo, you donít have too far to look for the reason.
I was at the FBD game two years ago; the one where he got a red card. He caught my attention early on and, in perfect honesty,  he should have gotten his marching orders before the ref took action.
Players with a name for tetchiness can be a liability to any team. Diarmuid Connolly lost the rag in a meaningless game against Carlow (I think) and Jim Gavin gave him a good bollicking for his troubles. Gavin was prepared to let him sulk for as long as it took, before he came back into the reckoning.
IMO, Diarmuid contributed far more from play than Cillian at his best, but the manager didn't tolerate handbagging from any of his  players, and rightly so.
There is no point in telling me about OíConnorís superb scoring returns. He is as likely to score from play as any other Mayo forward but the majority of his score come from frees.
Maurice Sheridan scored more than anyone else during John Maughanís time in the Ď90s but he was lucky to hold down a place. He was a gifted free taker but his contribution from play was minimal.
Right now, Cillianís last few years saw his prodigious talent being wasted to a great degree.  However, Iím told he is really looking forward to the resumption of play and one can only home his general attitude has changed but only time will tellÖ.

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GAA Discussion / Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
« on: June 06, 2020, 02:10:07 AM »
Great to see the roadmap published but my God there's some amount of work for volunteers to do. Asking someone to take on the Covid Supervisor role and them having to take all Players/Management temperatures before training/games is a stretch.

But thatís what they do best, get things done for their club. Itís a serious change, but did we really expect it to be plain sailing? Easy to say it wonít work (you didnít), but where thereís a will thereís a way. Covid Supervisor doesnít have to take temps before teams commence sessions, the individual does it themselves before they attend and mark on their sheet. Only if this hasnít been done do the Supervisors step in.
Taking someone's temperature can be done in seconds with a modren handheld scanner. It's just a case of pointing it at the subjects forehead and pressing a button.
I know because I have mine checked in this manner several times a week in Beaumont hospital.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: May 30, 2020, 08:51:59 PM »
The downside though is that teachers will have to head back to work after 6 months off and that will be tough etc.
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I often thought Olly that teaching would be a great job entirely if only you could get rid of the bloody kids!

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As the song goes- Gortahork and Glenamaddy
"I have been to many strange places,
To the lands of the Greek and the Turk.
But some folks will bet
I ain't seen nothing yet
'Til I land me in old Gortahork."

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The Mary Wallopers play in a friends pub in Dundalk on a Wednesday night, or they did before the lockdown, but they've played a few gigs online over the last few weeks online and it's been great craic. They're quare characters and if you can donate a few quid to any of your local bands or buy a t-shirt or some merchandise it will make a big difference to them, they're all struggling at the minute.

Cod Liver Oil and the Orange Juice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rO9gP3ikjU

The lads are doing another live gig at 9pm, great nights craic and if you can make a small donation, not just to this band, but to any of us struggling musicians it would be greatly appreciated.

https://twitter.com/marywallopers/status/1258004891689193472
I have come across them on Youtube and I think they are great craic. I'd gladly donate a few euro to them if I know how I could do this. Any suggestions?

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