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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
« on: Today at 10:09:24 AM »
Lads, you do know that thereís a game this weekend. I was really forward to having a nice wee chat with my good friends from Mayo but itís like a ghost town in the Meath vs Mayo thread. And here you all are still talking about the last game. I have to say Iím a bit hurt and a bit disappointed.  :'(
I was thinking I was the only soul stirring that took any interest inn this game. Are Mayo and Meath  not worth a few posts any more?
There's far more discussion on the Mayo/Kerry thread about David Clarke's kick outs than there is on this one about chat could be his future and that of a lot of his colleagues.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
« on: July 18, 2019, 12:22:40 PM »
I hope itís not an omen of whatís to come but there have  been more replies to a fairly straightforward I posted here than the total number of posts on the Mayo v Meath thread to date. When I logged onto the board a wee while ago, we had nearly 40 responds to my question; Some very instructive and a few going off on flights of fancy.
For instance, hereís what I posted again:
"Anyway, if there is a problem with Clarke's restarting, why not get somebody else? There's no law, ASAIK, that says a goalie must kick the ball out. "
I only asked a simple question and put it up for discussion.
I did not give my own opinion one way or the other. I tried to make it as idiot-proof as possible but once again blast 05 chipped in to prove I need to set the bar a whole lot lower. ;D ;D
 I canít see anyone other than the keeper taking kick outs in the modern game, except under unusual circumstances.
Did we have ďunusual circumstancesĒ last Sunday? Again, I just ask the question, thatís not a firm opinion one way or the other. I wasnít on the field or even the sideline so I didnít understand why Mayo were getting cleaned out on Clarkeís restarts.
Thanks to moysider, part of the mystery has been solved. I didnít realise that AOS was carrying an injury into the game. But one question answered means, for me, that one still remains.
If Donie Buckley engineered Kerryís match ups, what did Horan do to counteract this? Dammit all, he surely remembered that Bukley would be marking Kerryís cards. Or did he? I hate to admit it, but I am starting to think that he is losing the plot.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
« on: July 17, 2019, 09:50:55 AM »
Anybody kicking the ball out bar the goalkeeper is a no-no for a couple of reasons.

1. Most outfield players cannot kick the ball from the ground at all. Keepers are called up the field to kick 45s etc. for a reason. They are the only ones that can strike a dead ball. On the Mayo team Cillian struggles to kick a 45 sometimes and I doubt any of our backs would even go close to getting that far. Are we suggesting O Connor is brought back to take kick-outs?

2. If an outfield player takes kickouts, it frees up an opposition forward to increase the press-up or get deeper and contest breaks. It's not going to work.

Clarke can kick the ball long but while the trajectory might not be torpedo he can hoof it. He was trying to pick out targets within his range the last day and I've no doubt that was what he was instructed to do. No way a goalkeeper takes it on himself to decide his kick out strategy.

We had a Kerry runner on the field a lot the last day. I didn't see anybody from Mayo set-up get to Clarke to advise him to do anything different and for God's sake. stop rushing up to take quick kick-outs when we were under the cosh and beaten up a stick. I stand over the arms folded remark I made earlier.  You have to manage the game in front of you.

You'd have to go back almost 50 years for somebody other than goalie to kick the ball out - unless the keeper had an injury. Now you replace the keeper. Maybe Jack Cosgrave from Galway did it but that is early 70s and the game was different. You'd be riddled if you did that now.
Well put moy, I have no problem with that.
I don't think I ever suggested that getting somebody other than the goalkeeper to kick the ball out should be commonplace again. But in a case of horses for courses, there may be times when it would be the lesser of two evils.
David Clarke or Robbie Hennelly?

You've two experienced men there, both have their good points as well as their bad ones. Robbie is certainly the better place kicker but has a suspect temperament. No personal fault of his but he did have a few nightmare experiences and his confidence can be a bit iffy.  Clarkie is the better all-rounder but gets a lot of stick for his restarts. At best, a goalie can only be 50% responsible if his place kicks go astray. If there nobody able or willing to fight for possession then not even Stephen Cluxton could get it right 100% of the time. As you've noticed, there was no input from the sideline and Clarke had to soldier on to the end kicking the ball out and knowing, no matter what he did, that it would be coming back in again. I think it would be taking the nuclear option if Clarke was to be dropped because of his perceived limitations with placed balls when he had a five star performance in every other way.
I'd be looking at the sideline for answers before I'd start laying blame for last Sunday's performance which is straying away from the point. Is there any reason why a goalie must always take kick outs?
I wouldn't dream of saying that we should revert to the times when men wore peaked caps and baggy shorts and the full backs toe poked every ball off the ground but there are times when a case could be made for somebody other than the keeper taking on the job.

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GAA Discussion / Re: This weekends predictions
« on: July 16, 2019, 07:46:00 PM »
Tyrone by 8
Dublin by 10
Mayo by 2
Donegal by 3

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
« on: July 16, 2019, 05:10:39 PM »
Is that so??
Mind telling me why. I explained in eejit-proof language that there was a time when goalies did not take kickouts  and life went on as normal or all concerned.
I am perfectly satisfied with my understanding of the way the game is played and, believe it or no, I know goalkeepers take restarts nowadays but I see no reason why it's compulsory. Maybe you know more than I do.
I mentioned that no other man in Clarke's place could have done a better job when outfield players weren't contesting the restarts.
I don't think you need a Ph. D. in cop-on to realise that but that's just my  opinion and maybe I don't have your grasp of what anyone else  could see happening ought on the field. David Clarke's kickouts were not the cause of the very high amount of unenforced errors that were happening throughout the field but maybe you see a different game than I did.
In my simple understanding of a goalie's duties commanding the goal area is the first every time. Can't recall  Clarke dropping a ball or handing it straight to the nearest Kerry player either.
I don't think anyone else, except you obviously, would be confident of Hennelly not makiong a howler or two during a game. It's happened enough times for anyone with a basic memory to be aware of it. 
I'm happy with my understanding of the modern game and most tell me I have a bit of cop-on also.
Maybe not a lot but I think I have enough to see that you don't have either.

As the name of the coming-of-age book goes ... "That was then, this is now."
A corner or fullback taking a kickout with the keeper stuck on his line might have been fine and well in the 60's. That was when the overall athleticism of the average inter-county players and tactical nous were light years behind where we are now. Put simply, every kickout would have to be a long hoof with a certainty that the opposition would have an extra man competing for the breaking ball.

And i have never suggested Hennelly is infallible. Albeit it was the width of the cross bar that separate Clarkes kickout straight to a Kerry man versus Hennellys that went straight to a Rossie. Indeed, i am not even suggesting a change.
But like it or lump it, the tone was set by our kickouts not having the driver in the bag to wallop it to change the dynamic out the field.

Anyway, its good to see you defending a Mayo player ... not like the time i engaged with you on here when you were attacking Cillian O'Connor
Back then you failed to read what I had  been saying and you've done the same now.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
« on: July 16, 2019, 03:24:01 PM »
Quote
On a different note, I think it's very wide of the mark to criticise David Clarke for the team's failings.
If his kickouts were being won by Kerry players it's because no Mayo half back or midfielder was showing for them. If Cluxton or Rory Beggan has been taking the kickouts on Sunday they's have no better luck.
Anyway, if there is a problem with Clarke's restarting, why not get somebody else? There's no law, ASAIK, that says a goalie must kick the ball out.

Lars, those comments demonstrate a very poor understanding of how the game is played.


Put simply - Clarkes doesn't have a driver in the bag. He goes from a wedge to about a 5 iron.
Every keeper at this level needs to have a driver in the bag, i.e.: to be able to kick the ball 70+ metres at a relatively low trajectory if needed. Clarke can do about 50 metres but lofted. The Kerry half back line were fully primed for this whereby they pushed far up the field on his kickouts. The dynamic would have been completely different if they thought there was a chance of the kickout going 20 metres further.

Yes, this limitation has always been an extra challenge for us on our kickouts for years, but we have managed to workaround it up to now as no team has ever played a full press against us (bar Dublin in the league couple of years ago in Croke Park) and ensured each position was occupied when the kickout was being taken, i.e.: first fill their position on the pitch for the kickout and only move out of that position if you must.

Clarke is the GOAT when it comes to shot stopping, dominating the square and penalties. But our minor keeper even has a bigger and better boot on him.
Of course Kerrys intensity versus ours was a factor in contesting kickouts. But the cat is out of the bag now though .... i would be shocked if Meath didn't try something similar at the weekend.

As far someone else taking the kickouts .... i can only conclude that you just stepped out of a time machine or are a wind-up merchant!!

Is that so??
Mind telling me why. I explained in eejit-proof language that there was a time when goalies did not take kickouts  and life went on as normal or all concerned.
I am perfectly satisfied with my understanding of the way the game is played and, believe it or no, I know goalkeepers take restarts nowadays but I see no reason why it's compulsory. Maybe you know more than I do.
I mentioned that no other man in Clarke's place could have done a better job when outfield players weren't contesting the restarts.
I don't think you need a Ph. D. in cop-on to realise that but that's just my  opinion and maybe I don't have your grasp of what anyone else  could see happening ought on the field. David Clarke's kickouts were not the cause of the very high amount of unenforced errors that were happening throughout the field but maybe you see a different game than I did.
In my simple understanding of a goalie's duties commanding the goal area is the first every time. Can't recall  Clarke dropping a ball or handing it straight to the nearest Kerry player either.
I don't think anyone else, except you obviously, would be confident of Hennelly not makiong a howler or two during a game. It's happened enough times for anyone with a basic memory to be aware of it. 
I'm happy with my understanding of the modern game and most tell me I have a bit of cop-on also.
Maybe not a lot but I think I have enough to see that you don't have either.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
« on: July 16, 2019, 09:36:09 AM »
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?
I know but they are riding their luck and sooner or later this is gonna end in tears. Fact is they should bate Kerry half way up Carrantouhill but will they though? This worrying trend of losing the plot and letting inferior teams back int the game when they should be closing the game down is becoming ingrained at this stage if the season and will probably happen again on Sunday. They were good enough o beat every team they met  by at least 4 or 5 points since the last game against Kerry down in Tralee and barely survived all but one. That one they lost to Roscommon and that defeat is the cause of Mayo having to play three extra games to get where they are now. Having finally shook the Galway monkey offa their backs and having beaten Kerry twice already this year, I expect Mayo to be at least 5 points the better side but I won't be easy no matter what until the gate is locked up and every one has gone home!

Had you a few drinks when you wrote this Lar or just lost the run of yourself with your eloquence? Bating Kerry half way up Carrauntoohill! Not even the most fervent Dubs supporter would have such notions. Bit of a reality check and a few Carrauntoohills in front of ye.
Yes I know, I know! ;D
But read the last four words you bolded and you'll see what I was getting at...."but will they though"
I also aid I'd expect Mayo to win by  at least five points but I wouldn't be easy until the game was well and truly over or something like that.
I wasn't being arrogant here but only pointing out that Mayo were  apt to do anything and were totally inconsistent. They had already met Kerry twice this year and had dominated both games but should have won both by a lot more than they did. If any other top team had been in Mayo's position in either league game they'd be no doubt about the result by half time. AS it was Mayo could have lost either game or won it by a few points more.
Going into the game on Sunday, Mayo should have been clear favourites if you were going on form alone yet I would not say there were many Mayo people who'd bet good money on the result.

I for one feared for us in Killarney but I went and was enjoying the day until the game started.
We were wiped out and for a top tier experienced team, humiliated. No nice way of dressing this up. No other serious team would have been 'bitch slapped' like that. A Kerry schoolboy team would not be trampled like that in McHale Park. It was painful to watch. But, guess what? As far as I could see our players were trying really hard. Fatigue was not a factor. Older lads like Boyle, Higgins and a still not up to speed Vaughan lasted the trip. Laughably Boyle was thought to be through 2 years ago. Realistically we need to get at least 2 more years out of Boyle and Higgins but if they walk away at the end of this campaign they owe nobody nothing. We are unlikely to see the likes of them again anytime soon.
 Most disappointingly our promising younger players were hauled off. Kerry young fellas were flying. Why? Fatigue was not an issue imo.
I think so too and that's what worries me the most. I don't think anyone was holding back and not giving 100% but the fluency and mutual understanding that we were used to was missing. The entire team seemed to be just going through the motions, as it were. I said back around the time of the Roscommon that we don't have a happy camp.
I haven't heard any rumours about dissension in the camp and I certainly don't want to start any either but there's something not quite right inn the set up. If I was a betting man I'd say that there are selection or tactics issues but that only a personal feeling, not a fact. On a different note, I think it's very wide of the mark to criticise David Clarke for the team's failings.
If his kickouts were being won by Kerry players it's because no Mayo half back or midfielder was showing for them. If Cluxton or Rory Beggan has been taking the kickouts on Sunday they's have no better luck.
Anyway, if there is a problem with Clarke's restarting, why not get somebody else? There's no law, ASAIK, that says a goalie must kick the ball out.
There was a time when one of the full back line did that and I don't recall any goalie taking on the job back then.
I may be wrong but I believe Stephen Cluxton started the habit and now every buck between the sticks has to do the same. He may not have been the first to do so but he was the first goalie to take 45s and long range frees and now almost everyone else is doing the same.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
« on: July 15, 2019, 04:46:39 PM »
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?
I know but they are riding their luck and sooner or later this is gonna end in tears. Fact is they should bate Kerry half way up Carrantouhill but will they though? This worrying trend of losing the plot and letting inferior teams back int the game when they should be closing the game down is becoming ingrained at this stage if the season and will probably happen again on Sunday. They were good enough o beat every team they met  by at least 4 or 5 points since the last game against Kerry down in Tralee and barely survived all but one. That one they lost to Roscommon and that defeat is the cause of Mayo having to play three extra games to get where they are now. Having finally shook the Galway monkey offa their backs and having beaten Kerry twice already this year, I expect Mayo to be at least 5 points the better side but I won't be easy no matter what until the gate is locked up and every one has gone home!

Had you a few drinks when you wrote this Lar or just lost the run of yourself with your eloquence? Bating Kerry half way up Carrauntoohill! Not even the most fervent Dubs supporter would have such notions. Bit of a reality check and a few Carrauntoohills in front of ye.
Yes I know, I know! ;D
But read the last four words you bolded and you'll see what I was getting at...."but will they though"
I also aid I'd expect Mayo to win by  at least five points but I wouldn't be easy until the game was well and truly over or something like that.
I wasn't being arrogant here but only pointing out that Mayo were  apt to do anything and were totally inconsistent. They had already met Kerry twice this year and had dominated both games but should have won both by a lot more than they did. If any other top team had been in Mayo's position in either league game they'd be no doubt about the result by half time. AS it was Mayo could have lost either game or won it by a few points more.
Going into the game on Sunday, Mayo should have been clear favourites if you were going on form alone yet I would not say there were many Mayo people who'd bet good money on the result.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
« on: July 15, 2019, 09:38:29 AM »
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

The Super Duper 8's is set up to take extra money from Mayo fans and made it almost impossible for their aging team to be successful  in it.

I have had a strange numbness about inter-county football for the last 2 years. There was a time when I would be depressed about today's result.  I sort of don't care now.

I look at the Sunday Game and they talk about the Championship as it is 2009 again. It's not!

The worst thing about this Dublin dominance is that the GAA fraternity are looking to Kerry for a solution.

Same as it ever was. In the past, whenever Dublin dominated, the rest of the country became Kerry supporters. Nothingís changed.
Aye, but when Dublin beat Kerry in 2012, the vast majority of neutrals were rooting for the Dubs!
Same back in '82 when Offaly stuffed Kerry, we all became Offaly supporters.
You seem more thin-skinned than most about this Culchies against the Dubs crap.
You can blame Dub fans for a lot of that.
Not so long ago, the Hill was off-limits to anyone who wasn't a Dub. The team always got ot warm up in front of the Hill and before a game or whenever Dublin scored, the players would run to that corner to pay homage to their fans. It was intimidation pure and simple and real in yer face stuff. No wonder others got pissed off with that carry on.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
« on: July 14, 2019, 01:07:09 PM »
The Mayo team according to the Con Telegraph

David Clarke
Chris Barrett, Brendan Harrison, Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan, Colm Boyle, Stephen Coen
Aidan O'Shea, Donal Vaughan
Fionn McDonagh, Kevin McLoughlin, Jason Doherty
Cillian O'Connor, Darren Coen, James Carr.

Durcan has been ruled out with a leg injury they also say.
I don't think he could have done any better- he's putting the best out- that is if he doesn't start fooling around with the selection before the throw in again.
Watching Cork yesterday, I think Mayo have to be favourites today. Kerry's one game of note this summer was the one against Cork and I though t Cork really put it up to them then. If that's a reliable form line and given that Mayo have mastered Kerry twice already this year, I think Mayo should have four or five points to spare at the end.
Of course, with Mayo, you never can tell.....

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GAA Discussion / Re: Is there a future for small rural clubs?
« on: July 12, 2019, 11:56:10 AM »
It's not just about rural depopulation, it's a societal issue. Kids have so much choice, it's no longer your GAA or soccer choice or even rugby. Kids now have dozens of sports to choose from, they have video consoles, laptops/PCs/tablets/mobile phones, throw in various youth clubs etc. Most households have 2 cars so travel restriction is not an issue every alternative is out there.
I think itís both. Dinny. Youíll find societal change everywhere, even in Dublin and the larger urban centres, but rural depopulation adds to the problem in the more isolated regions, like along the western seaboard.
From a GAA point of view, both issues spell disaster and unless there are radical changes to reflect those trends, the association will be in serious trouble.
Dublin doesnít have rural depopulation to contend with but the changing lifestyles of kids is the biggest problem here.
Dublin GAA is under as much threat, if not more, than any other parts of the country as the counter attractions for children in the capital are more numerous and more easily available.
Pumping money into Dublin is like sticking plasters on the Titanic- well- intentioned but ultimately useless.
But, to stay with the topic, rural clubs are hemorrhaging numbers and the evidence is clear to be seen. Amalgamation is a help but isnít practical in all cases and at best can only slow the process down but canít halt it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
« on: July 11, 2019, 05:26:16 PM »
Shouldn't have gone to a replay either.
Yeah and I kinda blame the manager for that.  Maybe not for the drawn game but certainly for the replay. Donaghy. Even without Leeroy Mayo were in control up till Donaghy was brought on. It became very obvious that he had the beating of Caff in the air. I couldn't believe it when I saw Caff was going to be left on Donaghy for the replay and Donaghy went to town on him.
Caff can't be blamed for that as he was left isolated and Jamesy O'D was allowed to pick up the breaking balls Donaghy directed to him. Again, he was left on his own- not even a sweeper to contest any breaking balls.
Horan was always bang on on most things but he had at least one fatal flaw and I hope it doesn't return to haunt us on Sunday. He could be extremely reluctant to make changes when things were obviously going wrong on the field and this game was one of those times.
I can't recall this happening since he returned and I just hope it don't happen again on Sunday.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
« on: July 11, 2019, 10:35:31 AM »
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/reillys-officiating-lacked-consistency-284360.html
BTW, Reilly never got an intercounty match again. That was a throwaway remark by Colm O'Rourke a few months ago. He was writing about Mayo's hard luck stories down the years and he put the 2014 games against Kerry into the mix.

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GAA Discussion / Re: This weekends predictions
« on: July 10, 2019, 09:04:43 AM »
Anyone remember when myself and dicky rock set up started the spread competition and dicky put it on a website.  Happy days.

Anyway if I was putting spreads on this it would be

Dublin by 8.5
Tyrone by 3.5
Kerry by 1.5
Donegal by 3.5

Yes I.won it outright one year, a very proud moment.
And so did I. Think it was 2008 or maybe the year before. Anyway, it was my first time entering and I thought I'd be setup as a pundit for life afterwards. Talk about beginners' luck! I haven't come within an asses' roar of wining since. ;D
Anyway, here goes...
Dublin by 9
Tyrone by 4
Mayo by 4
Donegal by 4

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo tactical fouling
« on: July 08, 2019, 09:36:17 PM »
I've said for years that Mayo and Dublin are the two most cynical teams in the country and also get away with way more than anyone else. Mayo more than the Dubs even in terms of blocking runners all over the field as a team tries to break and they'll give away fouls all day outside of the scoring zone.

All teams are at it, those are the best at it.

Fair play to them. Anyone who is interested in winning should be doing it. Getting over the line requires a bit of cuteness.

Yep, I'm not having a go at them, like I said all teams are at it. I'm a Tyrone man so can hardly get on a high horse about cynicism, it's more that when our players are cynical it tends to be brain dead handing easy frees and the refs every chance to give us a black card. We don't have that cuteness in our fouling the Dubs and Mayo have.

This is the thing. Fouling is all part of the game,
but how you do it matters. You're better fouling out the field rather than close to goal obviously. It slows down momentum and stops teams from getting into scorable positions. Fouling without actually taking anyone to ground is good to learn too.
That is indeed the thing and Eamonn Fitz knows this as well as you and I. The last time the Dubs beat his team in the league final (can't think of the year) the same fella went ballistic about Dublin' tactics that day. He claimed Donaghy had been "raped and pillaged for the entire game and the ref did nothing about it.A ub writer, Allan Brogan, retorted that if you were to look at the frees tally, it was obvious that Kerry gave away a lot more frees than Dublin and the ref can't be faulted for that.
In Fitzmaurice's time, Kerry were well known for tactical fouling- dragging a man down before he got within scoring distance from play. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and the like.
Yes, Mayo will foul when they think it's necessary but that doesn't set them apart from many other teams in this day and age.

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