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Couldn't see it either.
If rural no economy Roscommon and Monaghan can produce players ton make them top 10 teams surely to God the better off  bigger populated Counties of Laois, Offaly and Westmeath should be able to do so also?
Or is th'oul hurley stuff getting in the way?
Dunno what happened lads, it was working fine when I posted it.

Here is the article in full:
We have to talk about Dublin and by extension, everywhere else. That causes complications. It elicits a strong response from the normal quarters so it is difficult to make any case without the debate turning into something unintended.

So it would be nice if the debate on the future role of Dublin at both club and county level was conducted free from prejudice. It would also be nice if it's free from the standard reply of players who, almost like they're following a rehearsed script, will argue that Dublin's success is down to all the volunteers who put in an enormous amount of work when players are coming up through the ranks. We all know that. It is not the point.

It should also be free from former players saying that Dublin have only won a relatively small amount over the last 50 years and nobody mentioned any changes to the status of Kilkenny or Kerry when they were hoovering up All-Irelands. That is not the point either.

And the clowns who could not help themselves but launch into a tirade of abuse about my writings on a debate about splitting up Dublin after this year's All-Ireland are certainly not the point either.

And free from administrators arguing that the population and financial clout of Dublin does not give it an unfair advantage. They are missing the point altogether, but naturally enough self-preservation is the key there.

This debate is unlikely to come at central level for some time. John Costello, the Dublin chief executive, has no interest in it, neither has the president John Horan, from Dublin, and it does not appear to be on the radar of Tom Ryan, who has spent a lot of time involved with Dublin club hurling. It is up to him mainly to plot a course for the next decade and let us all know his vision.

In some respects it is a very bad time to question anything about Dublin. The easy thing for opponents to say when Dublin are on top is that the arguments are borne out of envy, jealousy or worse. That the problem lies with poor standards elsewhere and people should look after their own business rather than interfering with the brand that is successful. There is certainly merit in identifying the failures in many counties, none more so than in Meath, but that does not tackle the issue.

Even when this great Dublin team are beaten, the issue will remain that the natural advantages of the capital city and county are such that few counties will be competitive again (many never were), but also more importantly that the present model of the GAA in Dublin is not good for the organisation long term. Maybe not even for Dublin itself where it is still a struggle for the GAA to gain traction in plenty of city areas. Football has become a middle-class game and old working-class communities play soccer primarily rather than football or hurling. There is a need for more clubs.

There is also a major issue of player opportunity which should be addressed. Few players will get the chance to play with Dublin relative to the numbers available, even some of the very best. Over the last few weeks I have watched Kilmacud Crokes in the flesh twice. First in the Dublin county final and last week against Dunboyne in the Leinster club championship.

Dunboyne were certainly way below their usual standard, yet at the same time I could not help but think that there are at least six Kilmacud players who would get on almost all county teams, except Dublin of course. That is leaving out Paul Mannion, whose standard of play is in a different league altogether. Are they lucky to be born in Dublin and playing with a great club side or unfortunate that they have no chance of playing county football?

Opinions may differ on this, but every player would like to test themselves at the highest possible level. Should they be allowed to declare for someone else? Should other counties be allowed to approach players in Dublin clubs who would make a big difference to their cause?

Perhaps those in positions of influence might give their views on that. A type of transfer system. Obviously many of the weaker counties would not be attractive in this context, so it would only benefit a few. Yet something is needed to rebalance a county game which is less and less competitive.

Kilmacud may not win the Leinster or All-Ireland club championship this year, but they would beat half the county teams in the country. In some ways the success and brilliant organisation of clubs like Kilmacud and Ballyboden, who can turn out over a hundred teams, also reflects other issues which need discussion within Dublin. At what point are clubs too big? Would more clubs attract more players?

This is a growing city problem which is in absolute contrast to many rural clubs who are finding it increasingly difficult to field teams at underage level. Smaller families and falling population as a result of planning laws is destroying not just clubs but rural life as well. Who has a plan for that? GAA clubs have to amalgamate, sometimes two or three clubs to field an underage team. The strong get stronger, the weak get trampled on.

I thought of this when I saw on TV recently that the power stations of the midlands are closing - an absolute hammer blow to a lot of rural areas. To the GAA club, to the local national school, the post office, the shop, the pub, everything that binds these communities together. Maybe I missed something but I see nobody shouting stop or offering any hope that people can continue to live in the place where they want to raise their family.

Then there is the first-world problem of continued Dublin domination. Of course it will end in its present form, but because the resources in terms of players, finance, coaching and management are vastly superior to everywhere else, any Dublin setback will be temporary.

This does not entitle counties to give up, but a proud county like Offaly is losing more than bogs and power stations. Up to 20 years ago Offaly could take on Dublin as equals. It is not going to happen again unless I'm reading the tea leaves wrongly. This is now a mini taking on a juggernaut.

The very obvious thing to do is to divide Dublin up into several different teams. That suggestion causes palpitations among the Dublin hierarchy who just want to let the good times roll. That recommendation was made more than 15 years ago by a committee of top brains in Croke Park but has been ignored by all those at central level since, and of course Dublin swept it under the carpet as fast as possible. There it remains, depriving hundreds of young Dublin footballers of playing underage for some Dublin team and ensuring great adult footballers are frozen out.

Would Dublin supporters warm to these divisions and turn out in numbers in Croke Park? Would there be more at Dublin Fingal versus Dublin South than Dublin against Wicklow or Wexford? Even Jim Gavin can't make that look exciting. The present Leinster Championship is a dead duck. It is not retrievable. Hoping that something will turn up is not a policy.

So the GAA trudges on. It will hardly die out anywhere, even in places where the population of young people continues to decline through temporary emigration or a permanent fall in numbers, often not assisted by local authority planning where the future in the eyes of planners seems to be about shoehorning everyone into towns instead of creating plenty of vibrant villages. Local pride dictates that some sort of a team takes the pitch, nobody wants to let the light go out on their watch. These are also the societal issues which threaten the GAA.

So this is where city and country collide. Dublin is one side of the coin and much of the midlands reflects the other. If somebody in authority is suggesting that Dublin county and clubs get bigger and stronger and rural Ireland decays then we have a serious problem. Because by doing nothing that is exactly the implication.

Soon, new rules will emerge which will attempt to tackle the drift towards repetitive handpassing in football which is boring supporters to the point where they are choosing not to watch games. That is a problem.

Much more urgent, though, is the silent destruction of the GAA where rural clubs are struggling to field teams and where there is a complete lack of competition at county level. This is a structural issue which must start with a debate on Dublin. If things are allowed to drift for another ten years then the GAA as a national movement will be a much lesser organisation. The success of Dublin as a county and the sheer scale of their clubs won't paper over those cracks. The original design of the GAA was one of a socialist mass movement. Now it has become elitist. I don't like the drift.

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Anyone got an opinion on what O'Rourke has to say?
 Fire ahead...

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: November 18, 2018, 10:15:32 PM »
Am I wrong in thinking Rory Best is a weak link in that team?

Only in the minds of some Leinster and Munster people.

Cronin has some extra speed but his line outs last night prevented Ireland putting up quite a score on NZ.

Best is still the best option in terms of experience, all round game and leadership.  Look how many times he was into the ruck with O'Mahoney, how well he led the scrum and how he took the right decisions for the team.

When Sexton, he who would be captain, wanted to go again for the line out at the end of the first half, Best told him to take the score, impetuous Sexton wasn't pleased but those 3 points made it a two score game for a long time and made it more difficult for NZ.  That's what you get with Best, he may not be the best hooker but he brings much more to the team than Cronin, Scannell or Herring.

Fair play to Toner on last nights performance given being out of favour as first choice for a while.



I wouldn't know much about lineouts but it seemed to me that Cronin threw the ball exactly where he was supposed to for both lineouts that were lost. In both cases, NZ out-jumped the receiver, which wasn't happening when Toner and O'Mahony were on.

I don't know much about being a rugby captain either and leadership is an intangible concept, but Best seems to have it in abundance and more than his rivals for the hooker position. If it were not for that I'd say Cronin would be the first choice.

So by your own admission, you donít know much
???
Am I missing something?
I see nowt wrong with what Hardy observations here. Dunno about Cronin being first choice but the rest is spot on.

So if Best throws them heíd be throwing them to the right place?  And those in the line out donít catch them?

I donít think Ireland are great at line outs regardless of Toner or not. But Best isnít just there to do lineouts, but most of what you said is right, you donít know much  ;)
Geez, what am I to make of that? Best is also the pack leader and for anyone on the sideline, it can be difficult to know what goes on out on the field at times but Best fits the job description to a tee- he never goes up exhorting his colleagues and he leads from the front- all the time. Best certainly isn't just there to throw in the ball. He does an above average job at that and at every other facet of the game as well.
However, I don't see any point in nit picking or ballbagging either.
It was an historic win and let's just take it for what it's worth.

This was about Hardys post admitting he knew nothing lineouts etc... while at the same time giving an opinion on having Best on the team! Clearly more intelligent people on the sport (the manager) feel heís more important and a better player overall than the other replacements..

This is a result business and Ireland are number 2 beating the number 1 team if he was wrong and results went against him heíd know about it! Plus people with limited knowledge (like myself btw) will look at Best as the weak link!
Ah, I see what you mean now. Fair enough.

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: November 18, 2018, 08:28:00 PM »
Am I wrong in thinking Rory Best is a weak link in that team?

Only in the minds of some Leinster and Munster people.

Cronin has some extra speed but his line outs last night prevented Ireland putting up quite a score on NZ.

Best is still the best option in terms of experience, all round game and leadership.  Look how many times he was into the ruck with O'Mahoney, how well he led the scrum and how he took the right decisions for the team.

When Sexton, he who would be captain, wanted to go again for the line out at the end of the first half, Best told him to take the score, impetuous Sexton wasn't pleased but those 3 points made it a two score game for a long time and made it more difficult for NZ.  That's what you get with Best, he may not be the best hooker but he brings much more to the team than Cronin, Scannell or Herring.

Fair play to Toner on last nights performance given being out of favour as first choice for a while.



I wouldn't know much about lineouts but it seemed to me that Cronin threw the ball exactly where he was supposed to for both lineouts that were lost. In both cases, NZ out-jumped the receiver, which wasn't happening when Toner and O'Mahony were on.

I don't know much about being a rugby captain either and leadership is an intangible concept, but Best seems to have it in abundance and more than his rivals for the hooker position. If it were not for that I'd say Cronin would be the first choice.

So by your own admission, you donít know much
???
Am I missing something?
I see nowt wrong with what Hardy observations here. Dunno about Cronin being first choice but the rest is spot on.

So if Best throws them heíd be throwing them to the right place?  And those in the line out donít catch them?

I donít think Ireland are great at line outs regardless of Toner or not. But Best isnít just there to do lineouts, but most of what you said is right, you donít know much  ;)
Geez, what am I to make of that? Best is also the pack leader and for anyone on the sideline, it can be difficult to know what goes on out on the field at times but Best fits the job description to a tee- he never goes up exhorting his colleagues and he leads from the front- all the time. Best certainly isn't just there to throw in the ball. He does an above average job at that and at every other facet of the game as well.
However, I don't see any point in nit picking or ballbagging either.
It was an historic win and let's just take it for what it's worth.

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: November 18, 2018, 06:07:54 PM »
Am I wrong in thinking Rory Best is a weak link in that team?

Only in the minds of some Leinster and Munster people.

Cronin has some extra speed but his line outs last night prevented Ireland putting up quite a score on NZ.

Best is still the best option in terms of experience, all round game and leadership.  Look how many times he was into the ruck with O'Mahoney, how well he led the scrum and how he took the right decisions for the team.

When Sexton, he who would be captain, wanted to go again for the line out at the end of the first half, Best told him to take the score, impetuous Sexton wasn't pleased but those 3 points made it a two score game for a long time and made it more difficult for NZ.  That's what you get with Best, he may not be the best hooker but he brings much more to the team than Cronin, Scannell or Herring.

Fair play to Toner on last nights performance given being out of favour as first choice for a while.



I wouldn't know much about lineouts but it seemed to me that Cronin threw the ball exactly where he was supposed to for both lineouts that were lost. In both cases, NZ out-jumped the receiver, which wasn't happening when Toner and O'Mahony were on.

I don't know much about being a rugby captain either and leadership is an intangible concept, but Best seems to have it in abundance and more than his rivals for the hooker position. If it were not for that I'd say Cronin would be the first choice.

So by your own admission, you donít know much
???
Am I missing something?
I see nowt wrong with what Hardy observations here. Dunno about Cronin being first choice but the rest is spot on.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Connacht Club Championships 2018
« on: November 11, 2018, 09:17:33 PM »
I expect Ballintubber to be beaten by Corofin by about 5 points!

Tubber will be lucky if they get away with only a five-point loss! When you think of the class players Tubber have and they are still massive underdogs, Corofin look good to go the whole way this year.
Back to back is tough
Well, cheering for heron-chokers is never easy but I hope they go the whole way.  ;D

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GAA Discussion / Re: Connacht Club Championships 2018
« on: November 11, 2018, 09:09:39 PM »
I expect Ballintubber to be beaten by Corofin by about 5 points!

Tubber will be lucky if they get away with only a five-point loss! When you think of the class players Tubber have and they are still massive underdogs, Corofin look good to go the whole way this year.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo manager resigns - for defo.
« on: November 09, 2018, 11:26:08 PM »
Anyone else annoyed by Horan's statement. Ffs, I'm sure Mayo aren't the only county trying out new players for 2019. Snoopdog may well be correct re Horan.
What statement Farr? I've haven't heard anything about it.

http://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10045569/
Arra, there is feck all there to get annoyed about.  Doesn't every manager in the land come out with something similar when he takes over any team? .....Morale is high.. great interest from the players.. all are champing at the bit and everyone rearin' to go etc. etc. The county board asked him for a statement and, surely to hell, you wouldn't/ couldn't expect anything else from Horan or Anthony Cunningham for that matter or any other new appointee.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo manager resigns - for defo.
« on: November 09, 2018, 11:08:56 PM »
Anyone else annoyed by Horan's statement. Ffs, I'm sure Mayo aren't the only county trying out new players for 2019. Snoopdog may well be correct re Horan.
What statement Farr? I've haven't heard anything about it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football All Stars 2018
« on: November 02, 2018, 11:44:17 AM »
ďWhat if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?Ē

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads heís not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

Itís so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joeís blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluctons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical

Cluxton made a balls up in the semi final too, the difference is that he has such a brilliant team in front of him that those mistakes are irrelevant to the final result

But he didn't cost his team the game. Beggan did TWICE. Surely that should be a factor. Cluxton's excellence is being used against him. What more does he have do that he hasn't done over the last 5 years?

FFS he didn't cost them the Tyrone game... he made a bad decision and it very nearly turned into a close in free (if you remember the ref put his hand up and took it down again). He had a great season. So did Cluxton but not as good in the eyes of the voters. You need to get over it. All this attention is very unfair on Beggan who has done nothing wrong. He also has an important Ulster club game on Sunday and I'm sure he doesn't need all this noise. As many before me have said the injustice here on Cluxton is not this year but previous years when kerry and mayo goalies wrongly got awards ahead of him.
In Clarke's case at any rate, the fact that he was facing stronger teams throughout the championships than Clucko was. Mayo's kamikaze style of play ever since Horan took over in 2011 would be enough to melt the head oof a cabbage, never mind Clarke's.
He faced stiffer opposition in other words and acquitted himself well enough to earn his All-Star the hard way.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Most Geographically Isolated Club in Ireland
« on: October 25, 2018, 11:08:02 PM »
I think a definition of "isolated" is needed here.

a fair distance from Mitchelstown.

OK. Not the definition I expected.

Very good Hardy!
Farr, you could help me out here. I was having an argument with a few Mayo buddies recently  about isolated GAA clubs in the county. (A spin off from this topic.)
Obviously, Achill came up but the argument quickly descended to a quarrel when I said there was no point in trying to name any GAA club on the island because there is none. The only club in that area is across the Sound on Corraun, near the community college. Can you come to my rescue? ;D

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GAA Discussion / Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« on: October 18, 2018, 04:54:21 PM »
Can't help thinking that the publication of Cora's book was delayed at the last minute. Just a suspicion- nothing more. Seemsikelt that it may have been scheduled for late July- a week maybe after the walkout.
This happens a lot and an author has feck all say in the matter. Given that the allegations qwere unfounded after the investigation, I can't help feeling that Cora was just drumming up publicity. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« on: October 11, 2018, 02:52:10 PM »
What I find odd, to say the least, is the fact that Cora & Co. have not elaborated on their reasons for walking away. What they said was loaded with sexual innuendo but they havenít bothered explaining what they meant and neither has the LGFA county board or the manager.
If I was the manager, I wouldnít let such accusations pass unchallenged. The county board and other club delegates obviously know more of what the real story is and voted overwhelmingly to turf Caranacon out of competition of all grades, only to have the ban rescinded by the National Appeals Committee.
 There is no way imaginable that the members of this committee didnít not have full possession of the relevant facts. They had to be fully aware of the rumours and counter rumours that were circulating and yet did nothing to indicate why they took a far less critical approach when the playersí reasons for walking  out were discussed.

You could wreck your head trying to figure that one out.

I mean to cap it all, the committee must have had a lot of sympathy for the players who buggered off and should have taken action to investigate the seriousness of their allegations.
So the players were concerned about their personal welfare but the county board apparently rejected their claims only for the appeals committee to disagree with the board.
If all this wasnít complicated enough, the manager hasnít made a move of any sort to either clear his name or else accept the players had a grievance.  Heís biding his time also. Itís as if there is is a big crock of shite ready to hit the fan.

did you not listen to his radio interview from weeks ago??
I did listen but he did not demand that the players should withdraw their allegations or go to any length to explain why he felt they were wrong. When he had finished, nobody was left any wiser and he hasn't gone any further to clear his name either.
Did he come right out and say what the personal differences were and why he rejected them?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« on: October 11, 2018, 02:26:17 PM »
What I find odd, to say the least, is the fact that Cora & Co. have not elaborated on their reasons for walking away. What they said was loaded with sexual innuendo but they havenít bothered explaining what they meant and neither has the LGFA county board or the manager.
If I was the manager, I wouldnít let such accusations pass unchallenged. The county board and other club delegates obviously know more of what the real story is and voted overwhelmingly to turf Caranacon out of competition of all grades, only to have the ban rescinded by the National Appeals Committee.
 There is no way imaginable that the members of this committee didnít not have full possession of the relevant facts. They had to be fully aware of the rumours and counter rumours that were circulating and yet did nothing to indicate why they took a far less critical approach when the playersí reasons for walking  out were discussed.

You could wreck your head trying to figure that one out.

I mean to cap it all, the committee must have had a lot of sympathy for the players who buggered off and should have taken action to investigate the seriousness of their allegations.
So the players were concerned about their personal welfare but the county board apparently rejected their claims only for the appeals committee to disagree with the board.
If all this wasnít complicated enough, the manager hasnít made a move of any sort to either clear his name or else accept the players had a grievance.  Heís biding his time also. Itís as if there is is a big crock of shite ready to hit the fan.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« on: October 09, 2018, 05:04:34 PM »
http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/291266


Mayo ladies county board are set to appeal the leniency of the suspensions given to eight Carnacon players by the LGFAís National Appeals Committee.
The All-Ireland champions will play Moy Davitts on Sunday for a place in the county final with their eight suspended players set to see four-week bans over apparent player welfare issues expire on Friday.
Last night the board voted 27-5 in favour of an appeal to the perceived leniency of the suspensions handed down. The appeal is expected to happen tonight.


Seems this story hasn't run its course yet.

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