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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: July 08, 2019, 10:16:30 PM »
Whatever possessed him to record and share that on social media. Can only put it down to being young and naive.
If they’re willing to do it, no point complaining about people knowing about it.

Don’t see a major issue myself.
I would have an issue with someone in the panel who could not be trusted to maintain the team bond. Be interesting to see if 1 of the Aghayaran boys is “injured” and not togged out next week.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: June 27, 2019, 01:05:52 PM »
Would that be a record for u14s margin of victorys that Donaghmore achieved this year would anyone know?.
Plenty of lob sided tankings at u-14 if you look on the website. Keepers too small and pitch to big so when a term gets a run they can rack up big scores.

Had heard Donaghmore had a good team but some of the margin of victories was unreal. Looked at their scores online there for all season and nobody got within 10 points of them with the vast majority not getting within 20/25 points. They must be some outfit and this is the 3rd year in a row to have a good team at that level in Grade 1 and get to the finals. Must be good coaching going on or else the cycle has come around again for them like it does in most clubs every 20 years or so - the question is can they translate it at the senior level in 10 years time. Not many clubs are good at U14 and can carry it the whole way through 16, minor and into senior. Some clubs have done it but not too many.
They will start to close the gap at u16 and teams will be catching them by minor.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 26, 2019, 04:31:42 PM »
Malachy O'Rourke has done a great job the past few years and is the one manager I would be keen to see take over the reigns.  Harte has had his time.  Agree on the youth development, is it a coincidence that the main players of the 04, 08 and 10 minor wins never got going with the senior team under Harte?  I don't think so.
Did any of those teams do it at u21?
The teams that did it u-21 are the teams that have backboned our most successful Senior teams, Danny Balls in 1995, Mickey Hartes in 2003,. 2005 & 2008 and Feargal Logans in 2019.

Don't disagree that a fresh voice and fresh eyes would do the world of good to freshen things up.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: June 26, 2019, 01:36:17 PM »
Would that be a record for u14s margin of victorys that Donaghmore achieved this year would anyone know?.
Plenty of lob sided tankings at u-14 if you look on the website. Keepers too small and pitch to big so when a term gets a run they can rack up big scores.

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Were the rules on venues not changed after the debacle last year?

Tyrone will have it all to do.

No chance they will move that out of Kildare. Tyrone don't have Mayo's support base. Under 5k at the Longford game.
So do you Kildare bucks have any preference where you play the game?

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: June 21, 2019, 12:05:33 PM »
Boris's Brexit plan is just to remove backstop from Withdrawal Agreement. No more and no less.

Will the EU budge in October to get a deal done?

I think he will go for a NI only backstop. The EU would be happy with this also. The DUP obviously won't but they will be under the bus at that stage.

How does he get his deal with a NI only backstop through parliament?

That's the £1Billion pound question.

This is a staggering level of ignorance of the DUP and their position. They will never (and never is a long time) accept an NI only backstop. 1 billion. 10 billion, 100 billion! Doesn't matter!
So given Parliaments arithmetic, I will ask again. How does he get his deal with a NI only backstop through Parliament?

He is already working on an electrol pact with the Brexit Party. He will call a general election where the Brexit party will attack Labour held leave seats. Then will hope for a majority or even get the backing from new Brexit party MPs instead of the DUP MPs.

I'm not so sure. He hasn't even won the Conservative leadership race and I haven't heard about this pact with Brexit party anywhere.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/16/exclusive-conservative-donors-open-secret-talks-nigel-farage/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-donors-in-secret-talks-16529947

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141248/Brexit-latest-Nigel-Farage-news-Tory-donor-talks-general-election-pact-Brexit-party

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/brexit-party-claim-talks-with-tory-donors-1-6036368

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9309594/tories-pact-nigel-farage-general-election-johnson/

Your welcome.


I would invite you to read the content of those articles. They don't amount to a hill of beans.

A source close to the talks told the newspaper they were "very preliminary", adding "you have to get Boris on board and that is going to be very tricky".
Boris Johnson ally James Cleverly played down talk of a pact today but didn't rule one out.
He said Mr Johnson didn't make pacts as Mayor of London so "I can't imagine" he will do so now.

If the Tories entered into an electoral pact with the Brexit party it would be electoral suicide.
The DUP will never support a NI only backstop. There is no price that they would consider. Anyone who thinks there is, is deluded.
Which is more unrealistic, entering a pact which will strngthen the Tories hand and hurt labour or allow their economy to be completely trashed because of the DUP.
The Brexit party is a single issue party and will fade into obscurity once their single aim is achieved.

I wouldn't be so naive.
Besides Farage is no doser. There's nothing to be gained by actually entering into a pact or supporting a minority government. Anyway the middle ground Tories will never countenance a pact with Farage and his crowd. Remember there is probably less than 100 Tories MPs who are in favour of leaving the EU without any deal.
Yet 160 of them want Boris in charge and they know their nominations are dependent upon the swivel eyed loons of the Conservative party. He is going to have to let down 1 wing of his party. He has seen what softening Brexit did to his predecessor. HAve a quick look at the recent polling among Conservative party members. They would rather lose NI & Scotland than Brexit.

The only thing Farage has to gain from providing a Confidence and supply arrangement to a minority Government is a hard Brexit!

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: June 21, 2019, 11:38:45 AM »
Boris's Brexit plan is just to remove backstop from Withdrawal Agreement. No more and no less.

Will the EU budge in October to get a deal done?

I think he will go for a NI only backstop. The EU would be happy with this also. The DUP obviously won't but they will be under the bus at that stage.

How does he get his deal with a NI only backstop through parliament?

That's the £1Billion pound question.

This is a staggering level of ignorance of the DUP and their position. They will never (and never is a long time) accept an NI only backstop. 1 billion. 10 billion, 100 billion! Doesn't matter!
So given Parliaments arithmetic, I will ask again. How does he get his deal with a NI only backstop through Parliament?

He is already working on an electrol pact with the Brexit Party. He will call a general election where the Brexit party will attack Labour held leave seats. Then will hope for a majority or even get the backing from new Brexit party MPs instead of the DUP MPs.

I'm not so sure. He hasn't even won the Conservative leadership race and I haven't heard about this pact with Brexit party anywhere.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/16/exclusive-conservative-donors-open-secret-talks-nigel-farage/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-donors-in-secret-talks-16529947

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141248/Brexit-latest-Nigel-Farage-news-Tory-donor-talks-general-election-pact-Brexit-party

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/brexit-party-claim-talks-with-tory-donors-1-6036368

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9309594/tories-pact-nigel-farage-general-election-johnson/

Your welcome.


I would invite you to read the content of those articles. They don't amount to a hill of beans.

A source close to the talks told the newspaper they were "very preliminary", adding "you have to get Boris on board and that is going to be very tricky".
Boris Johnson ally James Cleverly played down talk of a pact today but didn't rule one out.
He said Mr Johnson didn't make pacts as Mayor of London so "I can't imagine" he will do so now.

If the Tories entered into an electoral pact with the Brexit party it would be electoral suicide.
The DUP will never support a NI only backstop. There is no price that they would consider. Anyone who thinks there is, is deluded.

I made no claim as to the likelihood. You stated you had heard nothing about it anywhere, I provided you a couple of links.

You are the one asking about How Boris will get the deal through Parliament.
Which is more unrealistic, entering a pact which will strengthen the Tories hand and hurt Labour or allow their economy to be completely trashed because of the DUP?
The Brexit party is a single issue party and will fade into obscurity once their single aim is achieved.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 21, 2019, 11:33:47 AM »
Does anyone think playing a game at 7.30pm on a sunday night  a bad thing no matter what the age group or gender


Does gaa host many club games on saturday evenings

Yes, Sunday evening games are a load of bollox. Actually, Sunday games full stop are bollox. But....who are we simple players to question our time and lives.
Move them to Saturday afternoon and listen to the complaints about working men and clashes with soccer.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: June 21, 2019, 07:46:27 AM »
Boris's Brexit plan is just to remove backstop from Withdrawal Agreement. No more and no less.

Will the EU budge in October to get a deal done?

I think he will go for a NI only backstop. The EU would be happy with this also. The DUP obviously won't but they will be under the bus at that stage.

How does he get his deal with a NI only backstop through parliament?

That's the £1Billion pound question.

This is a staggering level of ignorance of the DUP and their position. They will never (and never is a long time) accept an NI only backstop. 1 billion. 10 billion, 100 billion! Doesn't matter!
So given Parliaments arithmetic, I will ask again. How does he get his deal with a NI only backstop through Parliament?

He is already working on an electrol pact with the Brexit Party. He will call a general election where the Brexit party will attack Labour held leave seats. Then will hope for a majority or even get the backing from new Brexit party MPs instead of the DUP MPs.

I'm not so sure. He hasn't even won the Conservative leadership race and I haven't heard about this pact with Brexit party anywhere.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/16/exclusive-conservative-donors-open-secret-talks-nigel-farage/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-donors-in-secret-talks-16529947

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141248/Brexit-latest-Nigel-Farage-news-Tory-donor-talks-general-election-pact-Brexit-party

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/brexit-party-claim-talks-with-tory-donors-1-6036368

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9309594/tories-pact-nigel-farage-general-election-johnson/

Your welcome.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: June 18, 2019, 09:41:20 AM »
And now the big Tory donors are talking to Farage about an election pact. They will not put candidates up in some Labour seats where Labour may be vulnerable to the Brexit party. In return the Brexit party will not stand against Far right Tories. This is all laying the Groundwork for Boris (if elected) to call a snap general election and end up with a Parliament he can force his vision of brexit through, either hard or more likely NI only back-stop.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 10, 2019, 12:43:28 PM »
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0610/1054433-styles-make-fights-as-tyrone-walk-into-donegal-trap/

Aidan O'Rourke has some great analysis here IMO. We have a complete dearth of quality man markers on the panel which shows a) why we have set up the way we have in the past few years and b) why we lost when we deviated from that set-up on Saturday.

O'Rourke flags McKernan as someone who is not naturally suited to this role, he is an attacking wing-back, but is required to do a man marking job because of a lack of options elsewhere. Say what you want about Aidan McCrory but at least he is a natural corner back who plays there for his club and is trusted with marking the best forwards in the county when playing for Errigal.

Does anyone have an explanation for why we aren't producing quality players of this kind at the moment? Or are there any not on the panel or on the u20 panel who could make the step up in the next year or two?

It's often the case in Tyrone that the lads who are man markers for the county team play further out the field for their clubs, either as attaching half backs or at midfield. Does this lead to a dulling of their defensive abilities as time goes on as the player is more interested in the more glamorous role of pushing forward? I'm not so sure as I'd imagine this is also the case in other counties.

Interestingly, probably Tyrone's best marker of the past 10 years was Cathal McCarron who always played full back for Dromore.
utter, f**king rubbish. Mc Kernan not a man marker? I remember him like a limpet on mark Bradley in county final few years ago. Too many defenders got a free ride under the blanket last few years and now either been found out or forgot how to man mark. Harte been shown up once again and no amount of finger pointing gonna get him away this time.
Was that the year Bradley scored 9 off him?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: May 31, 2019, 01:28:55 PM »


How much originality can you have designing a sports competition? Jaysus

"His" ideas have all been trotted out ad nauseam previously. He's well aware of the questions that they raise - for example having intercounty players training 12 months for 3 or 4 months of games - but chooses to ignore them. Lazy rent-a-quote punditry.


The main point is that change is inevitable

Change does not necessarily mean progress.
How many months should be given over to County teams to the detriment of clubs?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: May 31, 2019, 01:27:51 PM »
He did in the same article

"If I were king in all of this, my preference would be to use the senior, intermediate and junior national football championships as a template. There are 20 senior teams, six intermediate and six junior county sides.
The calendar season would look like this. January to April would be reserved for clubs, from pre-season through to club league games- featuring county players. The inter-county season would run from May through to August, with a national league running through May and June to decide upon the seeding for the All-Ireland tournaments.
The nettle needs to be grasped right now
The All-Ireland senior championship would feature 20 teams in four groups of five chosen through an open draw. Each team would have four games: two at home and two away. The top two in each group would advance to the All-Ireland quarter finals. And so on.
The intermediate and junior All-Irelands would each feature two groups of three teams. Each team would play the other two teams twice – home and away. So they would also get four matches. The top two teams from each group would play the final. And crucially: All Three Finals Would Take Place On All-Ireland Final Day In Croke Park. Rankings would be determined by the national league.
The All-Ireland season would be done by August. At the end of each year, one team would be promoted from or relegated to one of the three tiers. September and October would be reserved for club championships. Finally, the provincial and All-Ireland club championships would run through November and December. So for the vast majority of teams, players, managers, backroom staff, those last two months of the year would be a complete close season.
The big advantages of this format, as I see it, would be that the season would become more game-oriented for players. Clubs would be able to field their strongest sides for league and championships. The home and away dimension would help to balance the differences between counties and the thrill of the knock out kicks-in at the quarter final stage.
The nettle has to be grasped right now. I think any system based along this format would rejuvenate the club season and bring new excitement to the revered All-Ireland tradition. It is time to be bold"

Not much originality there.

The idea of county panels training without competitive matches until May each year is an absolutely ridiculous idea for a recent intercounty manager to come up with.

Imagine Dublin playing the 20th best. More hidings dished out.
And they don't meet anyone outside the top 10 now?

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: May 22, 2019, 08:57:13 PM »
Case would be thrown out i'd say as he wouldn't get fair trial as someone posted his picture that day on twitter accusing him of the act.
Would it not be in front of a magistrate rather than the high court?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: May 22, 2019, 02:12:42 PM »
I couldn’t help but wonder would Sligo at the current time not be better off playing in a second tier championship, where they could go out and play a normal game of Gaelic football without the concern of getting hammered. i.e. the players would probably enjoy playing.

Ah I dunno. Maybe some of our Sligo folks on the board could chip in - but I'd have thought that having the chance of knocking yer neighbour off his perch would still be one worth having.

Does it not make the Connacht Championship win of 2007 all the sweeter?

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If I'd my way, I'd go back to straight knockout and do away with the qualifiers and bin the subpar8s (which was always a stupid idea). If the teams that are beat in provincial R1/R2 games are put into another competition then so be it.

Bottom line is - a variation on this tiered system has been tried before - the Tommy Murphy was not well followed. Those clamouring for change would do well to learn from history (recent history at that) and not merely brush it aside with "ahh, but 'promote' it right" - whatever the f**k that means. Big games by-and-by large sell themselves.
The Tommy Murphy was a losers cup, any tiered completion has to be the only show in town for those entering it.

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