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General discussion / Re: The Ballymurphy Massacre 1971
« on: Today at 08:28:38 AM »
I know some had a cut across Angelo earlier in the thread but he is absolutely right about the lack of knowledge of this massacre in the minds of many. This was a massacre, an unadulterated massacre. The MSM in the south routinely bring out the names of Jean McConville, the treatment of Maria Cahill and the death of Paul Quinn but I have rarely, if ever, heard much support for the families of the Ballymurphy victims. I’ll be honest it is part of the revisionism of history of the Troubles that sickens me. The lack of empathy and understanding from many quarters of what happened up here is astounding. I think about it now and then and realise what we grew up in and think how could someone a few miles down the road dismiss it?  And they did as I often found out as a teenager playing schools football and being called an orange, Nordie, Brit bastard.

The hierarchy of victims in the eyes of the media sickens my hole. The British army murder 11 innocent people nearly 50 years ago. Each one who pulled a trigger that day and each commanding officer over them is guilty of a war crime and should be tried accordingly. I would love to hear my fellow ‘Irish men’ call that out

Great post. The dismissive comments from unionism and supporters of British forces is one thing but from fellow Irish people is very saddening.

Absolutely 💯

A few great posts this last couple of pages BCB. Fair play.

As we now apparently have three identities on this island now, Irish, British and Northern Irish ... I'd add a fourth as well i.e. the Irish British ... like it or not folks there are some in the south who are swayed by British media, are anti-northern, who deny the nationalist struggle in the north, who have anti-northern sentiments towards nationalists from the north.  I received that same treatment from a minority, of supposedly well educated people whilst working in the south .... snide northern comments were never far away.  So when it comes to showing support for a northern massacre, that is just too much to ask of some south of the border, and many of whom are in the political elite.  It does not suit the FF/FG narrative to proactively reference British atrocities in the north, nor does it suit the national broadcaster to be doing so ... oh no, we can't be highlighting that, no smoke without fire, they surely weren't shot for no reason .... they should hang their heads in shame!

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General discussion / Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« on: May 11, 2021, 12:20:15 PM »
I see the family believe Martina was 'scarified' by SF ... if so, horrific treatment indeed and to be condemned by all  ::)

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General discussion / Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Arlene overboard!
« on: May 11, 2021, 08:20:16 AM »
I consider Doug Beattie to be a buffoon ... and to hear him stating that as UUP leader he will overturn the NI Protocol, he's obviously detached from reality as well.

This is an example of the level Mr. Beattie works at ...

https://www.lurganmail.co.uk/news/club-responds-tricolour-criticism-833454

From the colouring of a club's football nets to overturning international treaties ... some going.

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General discussion / Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« on: May 07, 2021, 06:05:41 PM »
They'd 61 in last parliament .... +2 at the min, it's going to be close either way by looks of it. 

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General discussion / Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Arlene overboard!
« on: May 07, 2021, 12:45:12 AM »
Poots/Campbell would be the perfect result ... but looking increasingly like JD

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General discussion / Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Arlene overboard!
« on: May 05, 2021, 08:51:27 PM »
And so it begins... like father like son, bigotry dripping aff him

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56999381

"republican propaganda and populism" must be exposed

Mr Poots said he will lead a campaign against the "undemocratic (Northern Ireland) protocol and systematically undermine and strip away all aspects of it".

What's undemocratic about it? Was it not passed with a stonking majority in the HoC?

It’s only undemocratic when it doesn’t go their way: City hall fleg, parades commission decisions, Garvaghy road march, and now the protocol.

You'll hear the whining as far away as the Moon when the Shinners take First Minister post next year.

They’ll pull the plug permanently on Stormont if that happens. Can’t have a taig as head honcho of the gerrymandered statelet now, can we? Because that would all but confirm that Norn Iron’s number is up.

Any if they do pull the plug on Stormont because of a SF FM, that will also show that NI's number is up to an even greater extent.

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Main thing I would take from Indo poll.
Those who want a border poll North & South are largest segments
It continues a trend of decline in pro-Union vote (at 44%) even if UI is still 9 points behind.
There is now an expectation of a UI North & South within a reasonable timeframe
It should light a fire up the Gov and Nationalist parties that they need to start singing the same tune on the economics and health, and start giving clarity.
The Indo is a bit of a dick for trying to make the narrative about two thirds majority required. How about asking the question: should a 33% or 25% minority get to decide for everyone else?

Fully agree.  Just because it is getting close does not mean the goal posts should move .... any vote on Irish reunification is 50% + 1 ... that's called democracy.

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General discussion / Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Arlene overboard!
« on: April 30, 2021, 07:01:48 PM »
Paisley founded the DUP as a rejectionist party.
No.No.No.
Then he  wanted power. Principles are changeable

The party was harnessed by power sharing and couldn't do its worst.
The party broke free in 2017 . NI voted Remain but was ignored. The DUP went on a solo run
 Then May wanted a deal. No. No. No. This tore the arse out of it

Then Johnson shafted the DUP. The party now is lost.

Pretty much sums it up.  DUP have run out of road, times have changed, their electorate is changing, good riddens to the DUP.

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General discussion / Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Arlene overboard!
« on: April 28, 2021, 04:25:17 PM »
Hopefully Poots will be their next leader .... he can have his statue erected beside Arlene's in the Irish Reunification Museum in time to come.

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General discussion / Re: 💩 DUP C*ntwatch - Arlene overboard!
« on: April 28, 2021, 03:47:40 PM »
The other problem is that those who voted DUP last time will feel sold out by border stuff. Who do they vote for?

TUV is their only option ... unless of course the DUP rebrand themselves to outflank the TUV further to the right between now and next year's election, which is highly possible.  Would be foolish to write-off the DUP's ability to rekindle their votes by dropping to the lowest common denominator when needed.  I think what we will see is an ultra-DUP, fire and brimstone, not an inch brigade between now and 2022 election ... it's the only thing they know.

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General discussion / Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« on: April 25, 2021, 02:13:57 AM »
Granted, I'm no expert on SF's politics in Northern Ireland but I was under the impression that the Shinners were demanding a UI referendum right now. Listening to Michelle last night,it seems they are looking for negotiations to begin which is a different matter. I mean iif there is going to be a UI at sometime in the future, discussions have to begin sometime and if that all SF are looking for, I am alll for it.

Agree . I think an all-island solution would leave the island in a much better place. We already punch above our weight in many things and as a people are liked and respected worldwide. Take the conflict out of it and we can realise our potential . The South has done well in many aspects particularly in recent years but the “northern question” continues to hold us all back . MON has shown remarkable pragmatism and resilience in maintaining in government with the DUP . The GFA of its time was a success because DUP had to buy in to arrangements they didn’t like (albeit kicking and screaming ).
Similarly with all-island constitutional change. Northern republicans had to swallow  living under British jurisdiction because their irishness was supposed to be equally respected . Why should unionists who were happy for republicans to do that post GFA , not be by prepared to accept the same in new arrangements . Look at the French  in Canada,  or Belgian arrangements,  as well as GFA for precedent.

There in is the problem ... Unionists will not be subjective, they will not partake in sensible reasoning discussions, they will gladly walk off a cliff edge rather than prosper in a UI ... sad, but true.  Entering into discussions ref. a UI means they’ve already lost the argument, for them, it is the union with the UK that matters, and nothing else.  Still, that should not prevent the discussion taking place, whether unionists want to be part of those discussions or not.
How can you guarantee that 'they' will prosper in a UI?

I can’t, but I do suggest that they have more chance of prospering in a UI than in a statelet needing subvention and propped up on public service jobs. My point is whether they prosper or not is irrelevant and does not come into ‘their’ thinking.

Tell me where an Intel Fab. is based in the north, or IBM, or HP, Google, Facebook, or Apple etc. etc.

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General discussion / Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« on: April 25, 2021, 01:30:02 AM »
Granted, I'm no expert on SF's politics in Northern Ireland but I was under the impression that the Shinners were demanding a UI referendum right now. Listening to Michelle last night,it seems they are looking for negotiations to begin which is a different matter. I mean iif there is going to be a UI at sometime in the future, discussions have to begin sometime and if that all SF are looking for, I am alll for it.

Agree . I think an all-island solution would leave the island in a much better place. We already punch above our weight in many things and as a people are liked and respected worldwide. Take the conflict out of it and we can realise our potential . The South has done well in many aspects particularly in recent years but the “northern question” continues to hold us all back . MON has shown remarkable pragmatism and resilience in maintaining in government with the DUP . The GFA of its time was a success because DUP had to buy in to arrangements they didn’t like (albeit kicking and screaming ).
Similarly with all-island constitutional change. Northern republicans had to swallow  living under British jurisdiction because their irishness was supposed to be equally respected . Why should unionists who were happy for republicans to do that post GFA , not be by prepared to accept the same in new arrangements . Look at the French  in Canada,  or Belgian arrangements,  as well as GFA for precedent.

There in is the problem ... Unionists will not be subjective, they will not partake in sensible reasoning discussions, they will gladly walk off a cliff edge rather than prosper in a UI ... sad, but true.  Entering into discussions ref. a UI means they’ve already lost the argument, for them, it is the union with the UK that matters, and nothing else.  Still, that should not prevent the discussion taking place, whether unionists want to be part of those discussions or not.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: April 23, 2021, 12:47:11 AM »
What is everyone's thoughts for a return to a more normal society ... do we envisage attendances being permitted at this year's NFL or Championship games?  When are we likely to see capacity crowds at sporting events, concerts etc.

We messed it all up last time after lockdown and ended up in another sustained lockdown from December until now ...the big difference this time is the vaccine.

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General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: April 21, 2021, 10:48:23 PM »
I hope our unionist countrymen enjoy the festivities around NI's centenary year, it ain't looking good for a 125th anniversary with the irrefutable direction of travel.  I could be 70 before it happens .... never thought it was going to take so long, but please God I'm around to see it!

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