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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
« on: June 22, 2018, 01:05:50 PM »
All out field fights are terrible. It's thuggery and mob mentality. It's only a matter of time until someone is seriously hurt. Then you're in shit street.
The GAA should root it out. Easy way to do so, is a 6 month ban for the 3rd man in. 1 - 2 years of those type of suspensions and the whole thing would be stamped out.

I don't want to get into the whole Armagh/Tyrone started it argument. It happens up and down the country and no one county is better than another.

What are the rules on the "3rd man in" in terms of suspension length? The GAA seems to try to clamp down on this every now and again but it is never really enforced consistently. I agree that this would be a good start but ultimately the GAA needs to toughen up on all its suspensions/bans and actually start to hand out meaningful bans for striking etc.

I vaguely remember a melee at a Cargin/St Galls final a few years back where there were some heavy penalties handed out for a melee?

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: June 14, 2018, 09:21:54 AM »
Lazio apparently in negotiations for Grujic. €6m. I would rather keep him for that money, at least until after the world cup.

Lazio have a good record on taking ex Liverpool players and improving them recently. Lucas had a great year last year and they turned Luis Alberto around into one of Serie A's top midfielders, 12 goals and 20 odd  assists last season!

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: June 12, 2018, 02:06:58 PM »
I didnt realise the ban was as low as that, thats crazy.  I also dont think there should be any distinction  between types of strikes.  I agree theres a certain moral difference between two lads squaring up and a sneaky punch from behind but in this day and age there should be zero tolerance for striking.

I tend to agree. Like yourself I don’t particularly have an issue if two lads go toe to toe but in the interests of stamping out the more dangerous acts it should be a blanket punishment. For example, two players box and one gets the better of the other. Ref shouldn’t have to judge if the player is defenceless say.

The big thing is that the minimum punishment has to be meaningful, at least 4 weeks and needs to be consistently enforced. There would be a lot of suspensions at the start but players might cop on then.

There is no way we should go back to time bound suspensions, it needs to be a number of games, but agree that 1 game is far too low for a strike or any sort of violent act.
The issue with the old system where you got a month  was that a month could mean missing 4/5 games or it could mean missing 1, it wasnt a fair way of doing things.

personally i think a striking offence should be 3 games automatically, and potential to be even more if it is reviewed by ccc

Agree with the games rather than months. Back in my playing days I had a teammate who got a 8 week ban and i think only missed 2 games because of a combination of county games and an early championship exit

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: June 12, 2018, 12:13:50 PM »
I didnt realise the ban was as low as that, thats crazy.  I also dont think there should be any distinction  between types of strikes.  I agree theres a certain moral difference between two lads squaring up and a sneaky punch from behind but in this day and age there should be zero tolerance for striking.

I tend to agree. Like yourself I don’t particularly have an issue if two lads go toe to toe but in the interests of stamping out the more dangerous acts it should be a blanket punishment. For example, two players box and one gets the better of the other. Ref shouldn’t have to judge if the player is defenceless say.

The big thing is that the minimum punishment has to be meaningful, at least 4 weeks and needs to be consistently enforced. There would be a lot of suspensions at the start but players might cop on then.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: June 12, 2018, 09:55:15 AM »
It would be interesting to hear peoples thoughts on the punishment for striking.  Is a month enough or too much?

Personally, I think anybody who strikes should get at least 6 months to try and stamp this out.  I know a lot of people with an old school mentality will think this draconian but we have seen a number of high profile cases in the courts in recent times regarding one punch attacks so everybody should be aware of the potential consequences of striking.

Striking is a one game ban now, and has been for the last few seasons.
We had a lad sent off for striking in the senior game two weeks ago. Was able to play for reserves last weekend (but suspended for senior game). So yeah, maybe things should be reviewed.

That's a complete nonsense that a suspended player can play reserves the following week.

Agree that the penalty needs to be harsher for strikes, particularly if identified in a melee/off the ball etc. Its one thing two lads squaring up to each other but cowardly blindside strikes need to be stamped out. Refs have a tough job but with the massive amount of video evidence available from most games now, retrospective action should be taken if possible and meaningful bans imposed.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: June 06, 2018, 07:23:50 AM »
I’m tired of the abuse directed at Ramos. Dirty, yes but if he was playing with us then we’d make all the excuses of the day for him like we did with Suarez.

+1

He’s a hateful bollox but a damn successful one and any team in the world would treat him as a legend if he played  for them.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 31, 2018, 10:25:50 PM »
Liverpool need a player to play up front in Firmino's position. There is no adequate cover there. I would like to see Werner who could play from the left also.

Would love to see Werner signed as I really rate him but at the figures being talked about he would be an expensive backup.

I see Villa are looking £40m for jack grealish.  ::) If that’s true Can is saving Juve some money!

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 31, 2018, 03:40:47 PM »
Keeperwatch just got more convoluted

Liverpool need a new keeper and been linked to Allison all year
Zidane quits as Madrid manager
Chelsea rumoured to be likely to need a new manager next season
Chelsea end contract negotiations with Courtois and now rumoured to be in the mix for Allison who Zidane is apparently a fan off

Courtois likely to be sold. He will likely go to Madrid so would that free up Kaylor Navas? Chelsea would not sell him to a rival would they?

Edit: The Zidane to Chelsea thing is just me!


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General discussion / Re: Running/owning a small business
« on: May 31, 2018, 02:13:40 PM »
OMG...got the accounts today for the last two years and he should be jailed FFS. I'm rocked here and it's put a real dampener on things as i just had a business plan done this morning and what is needed against whats currently being lifted is a major major concern...

Do you mean in terms of whats reflected in the accounts against what you know is the reality? If its a case that the business doesnt make as much as you thought when you agreed the price then your only option is to renegotiate or walk away.

However if its the "official versus actual" dilemma and he understands that you need to raise finance and understands how much cash you will actually generate you could think about doing a staged buyout with an option agreement. i.e. He wants £100k for his shares but because of the accounts you can only raise £70k. However you know (and he knows)  that you will have at least another £30k coming in over the first 2 years so you pay him £70k now for 70% with an option to buy  another 15% in 1 year for £15k and 15% in 2 years. If your business plan is correct you should generate the cash to pay him rather than a larger loan. (Albeit it may mean you have to pay him quicker than you would a bank i.e. 2 years rather than 5 say). Ideally you would want the option exercise to be at your discretion but he would be unlikely to go for that. If you had a investor who was willing to back you they might do a similar deal for the £30k (silent partner secured against the shares) depending on the return you offered.

There are tax efficient ways it could be structured from his side (vendor loan notes etc) that might appeal to him but this could get complex pretty quickly so you would need to take proper advice from a legal and tax perspective so it might not be worth the hassle.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: May 31, 2018, 12:33:43 PM »
Zidane has stepped down as Madrid manager. United should sack Mourinho and get Zidane this instant.

However unlikely I think this would be a popular move with supporters. If you buy the media coverage that United (despite finishing 2nd) are "rebuilding" this summer, Zidane with a huge transfer pot  would put together a very different squad to that what Mourihono will and the football would be likely to be more attractive. Whether he would be any more successful is debatable however.   

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 31, 2018, 12:29:05 PM »
Any chance lallana will go as well, and one of teh centre backs? matip, lovren or Klavan?

I'd completely forgot about Matip! I think if another is signed one of Matip/Lovren will go. Klavan will probably stay as backup. Llallana is an interesting one. He was outstanding two years ago but barely featured this year  because of injury so its hard to know. I would keep him as i think he does offer something different. He is probably the most creative player and  closest to Couthino still at the club so could potentially do a job as a number 10. Whether its as a starter or as a squad player is debatable. From memory even when Couthino was there it was rare the "Fab Four" all started.


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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 31, 2018, 11:40:58 AM »
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/liverpool-make-bid-for-lyons-nabil-fekir-161914

Looks like things are moving fairly quickly all round

If that happens that will be £100m spent before the transfer window even opens and at least £40m-£50m probably to be spent on a keeper as well. Assuming a new centre back is also required you will be at £200m very quickly. I just hope Klopp is  spending Barcelona's Couthinho money and not Real Madrid's Salah deposit!

with the likes of Ings, sturridge & clyne all likely to leave there will be a wee bit of cash to come back in as well I suppose

True, but how much would you get from the above? £15m each for Ings/Sturridge, possibly £10m for Clyne and teh same for 2 of the three keepers? I would say £50m-£60m for the lot would be a decent return even in todays market. You might get a bit more (i'm thinking if Ibe went for £15m...) but the problem is that other teams know Liverpool want to sell.

Yeah, you probably aren't far away with that, but just saying you could easily pull in 50-60m in players out.

Yeah you are right that it is a decent amount to offset. I'm just slightly concerned as to whether FSG would sanction potentially over £300m of transfer spend in a year (plus the loss of a £30m midfielder in Can for free) on the back of a £145m sale and what they get from the players you mention. This is how I got to the £300m so I am making some assumptions here. We are still being linked with the likes of Lemar/Werner as well which would be another £70m plus (however I dont see either of these happening if we sign Fekir and keep Salah)

VVD £75m
Keita £50m
Fabinho £40m
Fekir £60m
Keeper £50m
Centre BAck £40m

I hope I am wrong and FSG are investing the Champions League run money and next years guaranteed group stage cash but I am just slightly nervous on this. 

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 31, 2018, 11:18:45 AM »
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/liverpool-make-bid-for-lyons-nabil-fekir-161914

Looks like things are moving fairly quickly all round

If that happens that will be £100m spent before the transfer window even opens and at least £40m-£50m probably to be spent on a keeper as well. Assuming a new centre back is also required you will be at £200m very quickly. I just hope Klopp is  spending Barcelona's Couthinho money and not Real Madrid's Salah deposit!

with the likes of Ings, sturridge & clyne all likely to leave there will be a wee bit of cash to come back in as well I suppose

True, but how much would you get from the above? £15m each for Ings/Sturridge, possibly £10m for Clyne and teh same for 2 of the three keepers? I would say £50m-£60m for the lot would be a decent return even in todays market. You might get a bit more (i'm thinking if Ibe went for £15m...) but the problem is that other teams know Liverpool want to sell.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 31, 2018, 10:09:40 AM »
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/liverpool-make-bid-for-lyons-nabil-fekir-161914

Looks like things are moving fairly quickly all round

If that happens that will be £100m spent before the transfer window even opens and at least £40m-£50m probably to be spent on a keeper as well. Assuming a new centre back is also required you will be at £200m very quickly. I just hope Klopp is  spending Barcelona's Couthinho money and not Real Madrid's Salah deposit!

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: May 31, 2018, 10:06:03 AM »
This isn't pretty. Poor form from all involved.

Absolutely. While I do not agree with the way Mickey goes about things outside football, if hes the manager  you play his way whether you agree with it or not. I thought it was poor form the way Cavanagh went about things after he retired. I'm all for ex players trying to get into the lucrative punditry market but the problem is they all seem to follow the Brolly/Dunphy methodology i.e. I ll just talk shite but I ll shout louder than everyone else and be controversial because thats what gets me airtime.

 However, the comment from Devlin is pathetic. If he had said nothing it would have died a death. As an aside, you cant imagine Colm is too happy about this comment about his brother?

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