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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 14, 2018, 10:55:58 AM »
I know this was nothing new, but the stuff on Mass and the Rosary for me is something that the Tyrone CB should be looking very strongly at.  Totally inappropriate given the message it sends out to those with other faiths and none, that have an interest in playing Gaelic Football.
Noticed an reference to this elsewhere, so took a quick look to see what the reaction was on this forum.

Frankly, I'm shocked - though not surprised - that this particular aspect of Cavanagh's book doesn't merit a thread of its own (or at least some comment from more than one or two individuals).

I mean, is no-one else astonished, even outraged, that a team manager could get away with imposing his personal religious leanings on an entire team, to the exclusion of those who may feel differently?

i read a lot of stuff about sledging and foul play etc, but there is at least some possible redress (referee) or comeback (retaliation) to those things, but what can someone on the Tyrone panel who doesn't agree say or do to this? Speak out and never play for the county again?

And all that's BEFORE you get to the context of sport and society in  NI.

Could you imagine the shitstorm if eg the Linfield manager required his players eg to take part in some sort of Orange Order parade, or British armed forces commemoration, or attend a Free Presbyterian service?

It would be roundly and publicly condemned, with the governing body clamping down immediately, and QUITE RIGHTLY too, imo. In fact, it's unthinkable. (And I say that as someone who pretty much despises Linfield, btw).

"GAA For All (Protestants need not apply)"

Those aren't accurate comparisons - I'd say an accurate comparison would be attending a church service, and the comparisons you've chosen are telling about you, but your general point is valid. (On a slight tangent though, weren't Irish league players forced to take part in a ceremony and have an anthem they don't recognise as theirs played as though it were recently??)

I don't see it as a big imposition at all, but nonetheless everyone should have their own free choice - I haven't seen any evidence yet that they didn't. If anyone went to MH and said, I'm not comfortable, do you really think they would have suffered repercussions re selection? I doubt it very much. It would seem noone involved had an issue (Unlike the Irish league example I mentioned earlier actually).

The majority of Irish catholics are brought up with the ritual of mass, when they have their own free choice they'll all attend weddings, funerals, mass at easter/christmas, for whatever reason. A mass before games in this context isn't a big deal. Irish catholicism isn't taken that seriously, its just a routine for many, and I think thats the context it needs to be taken in. its not forcing your religious views onto others, as it is being portrayed.

I think you missed the point there.
Most Irish catholics wouldn't have a major problem with it. But What about somebody who isn't catholic? It's a pretty big deal to anyone of any other religion (or no religion).  It could certainly be viewed as 'forcing' your catholic views onto non catholics.
Obviously, we don't know how much 'forcing' was done, but all managers want players to do things as a team. Therefore it's likely that everyone was strongly encouraged to go as a team!

And who on the team isn't Irish or from a catholic background?

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GAA Discussion / Re: New Championship Format
« on: September 12, 2018, 01:36:32 PM »
Dublin won the League & All-Ireland.

1st competitive game January, last competitive(oxymoron) game September.  It took 32 weeks to play out 16 games. Too long.

Top 12 teams in National League qualify automatically for AI.
4 winners of the provinces join them. If winner in top 12 runner-up joins them, if runner-up in top 12, 13th in league joins them, 14th and so on to 16th.

Jan- Feb (Only college football)

League runs Mar -April

National League Finals
May Bank Holiday Weekend
Provincial Finals
June Bank Holiday Weekend

All- Ireland Series 4 weekends in July

Clubs
April - July Club League
August - October Club Championships

November - December All-Ireland Clubs
The timings aren’t that different than what we have now are they?

What happens the other 16 counties after the league?

They play provincial Championship.
Ok and then they're finished?

What problem does your proposal solve that the current system doesn't?

And the provincials become meaningless as the teams most likely to win them will already have qualified for the all Ireland anyway.

Not with an open draw.

What difference would an open draw make? Either way if you finish top 12 in the league you qualify for the all Ireland knockout stages. This would make the provincial championships basically irrelevant for 12 teams.

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GAA Discussion / Re: New Championship Format
« on: September 12, 2018, 11:43:48 AM »
Dublin won the League & All-Ireland.

1st competitive game January, last competitive(oxymoron) game September.  It took 32 weeks to play out 16 games. Too long.

Top 12 teams in National League qualify automatically for AI.
4 winners of the provinces join them. If winner in top 12 runner-up joins them, if runner-up in top 12, 13th in league joins them, 14th and so on to 16th.

Jan- Feb (Only college football)

League runs Mar -April

National League Finals
May Bank Holiday Weekend
Provincial Finals
June Bank Holiday Weekend

All- Ireland Series 4 weekends in July

Clubs
April - July Club League
August - October Club Championships

November - December All-Ireland Clubs
The timings aren’t that different than what we have now are they?

What happens the other 16 counties after the league?

They play provincial Championship.
Ok and then they're finished?

What problem does your proposal solve that the current system doesn't?

And the provincials become meaningless as the teams most likely to win them will already have qualified for the all Ireland anyway.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: September 12, 2018, 08:11:37 AM »
Newtownstewart St Eugene’s v Clogher Eire Óg Clogher

Beragh Red Knights GAA v Killeeshil St Mary’s [bBeragh[/b]

Kildress Wolfe Tones vAn Eaglais, Naoimh Pádraig Eglish far too strong, Will Conor McKenna make an appearance?
Loughmacrory St. Teresa's v Augher St Macartan's GFC Loughmacrory young guns to impress here
An Caisleán Glas Naoimh Pádraig v Dungannon Thomas Clarke GAA My Shock of the wkend - Greencastle
An táite Riabhach Naoimh Pádraig v Urney St Columba's Tatts
Owen Roe O`Neill's GAC, Leckpatrick v Achadh Lú Uí Néill Owen Roes
Moortown St Malachy's VDerrytresk Fir an Chnoic Mooretown
Gortin St Patrick's v Cookstown Fr. Rock's GAA Gortin
Strabane Sigersons V Stewartstown Harps Stewartstown - G Devlin to hit a bagfull

Derrylaughan Kevin Barry's GAC v Coill an Chlochair Naomh Mhuire Chance of an upset but ill play safe and go Killyclogher, Sparky on form
Aghyaran v Omagh St Enda's Omagh by 5/6
An Droim Mór Naoimh Damhnait v Coalisland Fianna GFC- Coalisland by 4/5
Errigal Ciaran v Carrickmore St Colmcille's Errigal by 7/8
Clonoe O`Rahilly's CLG v Ardboe O'Donovan Rossa Tough one, if Skeet plays ill go for Clonoe, if not ill go Ardboe
Galbally Pearses v Pomeroy Plunketts Pomeroy all day
Domhnach Mór v Trí Leac C. Naoimh Mhic Artáin Another tough one, Donaghmore flying in the league now but ill say Trillick
Moy Tír na nÓgv Edendork St Malachy's Edendork as The Moy cant "arrange" a win for this one

How do you tell the difference between ‘donaghmore flying in the league now’ and the Moy being able to ‘arrange’ wins? Do you just phone around the clubs and ask?

I look at the league table and results and that sorta gives it away, Moy only recently picked up a few points, Donaghmore havin me picking up points all season...

But sure the Moy finished well down the table in division 2 last year and won the all Ireland intermediate when they got their county men back. Donaghmore have a full team all year with no county men. Omagh and Dromore both seem to be missing a few players at the minute which would also be a factor.

Should be a number of close games in the senior championship this weekend. Clonoe Ardboe probably the standout game. The 2 Saturday games of Edendork v Moy and Galbally v Pomeroy would also be hard enough to call. Based on the league Donaghmore have a fighting chance on Friday night but you'd have to fancy Trillick there.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: September 11, 2018, 08:48:46 PM »
Newtownstewart St Eugene’s v Clogher Eire Óg Clogher

Beragh Red Knights GAA v Killeeshil St Mary’s [bBeragh[/b]

Kildress Wolfe Tones vAn Eaglais, Naoimh Pádraig Eglish far too strong, Will Conor McKenna make an appearance?
Loughmacrory St. Teresa's v Augher St Macartan's GFC Loughmacrory young guns to impress here
An Caisleán Glas Naoimh Pádraig v Dungannon Thomas Clarke GAA My Shock of the wkend - Greencastle
An táite Riabhach Naoimh Pádraig v Urney St Columba's Tatts
Owen Roe O`Neill's GAC, Leckpatrick v Achadh Lú Uí Néill Owen Roes
Moortown St Malachy's VDerrytresk Fir an Chnoic Mooretown
Gortin St Patrick's v Cookstown Fr. Rock's GAA Gortin
Strabane Sigersons V Stewartstown Harps Stewartstown - G Devlin to hit a bagfull

Derrylaughan Kevin Barry's GAC v Coill an Chlochair Naomh Mhuire Chance of an upset but ill play safe and go Killyclogher, Sparky on form
Aghyaran v Omagh St Enda's Omagh by 5/6
An Droim Mór Naoimh Damhnait v Coalisland Fianna GFC- Coalisland by 4/5
Errigal Ciaran v Carrickmore St Colmcille's Errigal by 7/8
Clonoe O`Rahilly's CLG v Ardboe O'Donovan Rossa Tough one, if Skeet plays ill go for Clonoe, if not ill go Ardboe
Galbally Pearses v Pomeroy Plunketts Pomeroy all day
Domhnach Mór v Trí Leac C. Naoimh Mhic Artáin Another tough one, Donaghmore flying in the league now but ill say Trillick
Moy Tír na nÓgv Edendork St Malachy's Edendork as The Moy cant "arrange" a win for this one

How do you tell the difference between ‘donaghmore flying in the league now’ and the Moy being able to ‘arrange’ wins? Do you just phone around the clubs and ask?

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And how many are dropping out of club football because of the lack of football?

I give up, how many?
There were no Senior club games in Tyrone from 01st July until last week,
Fat lot of good the new condensed intercounty season did so.

County board or Mickey Harte decision??

Tyrone played most weeks so neither had a choice. The county board did put forward a proposal last year that would lead to 6 extra starred games without county players (overall non starred games would still be worth same % of points) which would have filled up the summer schedule but it was voted down. Other than that or putting forward some form of summer competition without the county players and hoping the clubs will buy into it there isn't much they can do.

To be fair the players are probably happy with July off and if it wasn't for Tyrone reaching the final the league would be wrapped up by now with just play offs to go at most.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: September 06, 2018, 10:39:54 AM »
I think after the euphoria from the weekend subsides and we sit down and thoroughly assess where we're at, we'll find we are probably as far away as we have been since 2011.

The fact remains that we haven't beaten 1 any of the big teams (Dublin, Kerry, Mayo) since 2009. No team that we have beaten in a knock-out match since 2013 has went on to win the All-Ireland. We are a fair ways behind both Mayo and Kerry. We benefited greatly from both of them having an off year. We were glorified Ulster Champions by virtue of the Super 8. The All Ireland Final was over as a contest after 33mins. I'm by no means a Harte basher but we have to be honest. It's not good enough. Only for a fortuitous Darren Hughes block which resulted in Sludden's goal it was 50/50 whether or not we were going to beat Monaghan. I'm not sure if a management team needs assembled, or if we're simply not good enough but since we lost to Mayo in 2016, everything has been geared towards to the Dubs both fitness wise and system wise, and now twice we have come up short. I detest mentioning him but I listen to Wooly Parkinson but he called it completely right last week, Colly Cav and/or his role was completely negated by the Dubs, so essentially we were 15 v 14 for the whole match. I'm just not sure where we go or what we do from here, if we're not as fit as the Dubs, then do we need a new trainer, if our system is outdated then do we need a new manager? Or is it simply that we don't have the players? I'm sure we will all watch club championship games over the next few months and see classy, strong athletic players who we know just won't fit in with Mickey's plan. So I'll let you all discuss.

Also been saying this

And its now 3 times, in 2 years, Dublin have beaten Tyrone while only in 3rd gear

I would counter that by saying that, with the obvious exception of Dublin who are probably the best team ever, we have beaten whoever has been put infront of us in the last two seasons. I would argue that 2017 and 2018 are the strongest teams Tyrone have had since at least 2010 and it's not their fault that they haven't been drawn against Mayo, Kerry or even Galway this year as I see no reason why we couldn't have beaten any of them and then this wouldn't be a stick that could be used to beat this Tyrone team

I entirely agree, lazy analysis. As things stand, in my view we are a better team than the other teams mentioned in 2018, maybe not until 2017, but  because we haven't played them in 2018 doesn't mean we haven't surpassed them.

I wouldn't call it lazy analysis at all. Monaghan knocked us out in the first game of the championship, the lucky goal we got made it look a bit more respectable. We struggled badly against Meath and should have been knocked out in normal time. Had a few easy games and then almost kicked ourselves out of it against Monaghan in the semi final.

We have played Dublin, Kerry and Mayo numerous times in the last 10 years in either the Quarter finals, Semi finals or Final and we have been well beaten on every single occasion. 

This will continue for at least another 3 years as Harte refuses to change anything. Its as clear as day to every ex Tyrone player, sports writer, TV presenter etc that we need to make changes but I can 100% guarantee that we wont. Harte seems determined to prove everyone wrong by playing the same players with the same set up hoping that they will win. Its utter madness.

Next year Tyrone may win Ulster but with Donegal and Monaghan improving it is looking unlikely. They may get through the Super 8s depending on the group but as soon as they meet Mayo, Dublin or Kerry they will be knocked out. Its ground hog day in Tyrone the past 10 years.

We won a few easy games and then beat Monaghan in the semi final? Did you just ignore the fact that we went up to Ballybofey and beat Donegal there for the first time since 1973? The current Ulster champions who had won it at their ease? Even the Roscommon game was seen as a tricky match. They had drawn with Mayo at the same stage last year and played some great football beating Armagh. They also had put it up to Galway. We effectively ended their season that day so their subsequent matches can be ignored.

I've saw a lot of people saying Harte won't change things and everything is the same as last year. No offence but that is absolute rubbish. He added O'Neill to the backroom team and made 6/7 changes to the starting 15 from last year. And although it didn't work our tactics were very different to last year versus Dublin. We by and large went man for man and didn't sit with a blanket defence. We tried to press higher up the pitch and altered tactics within the games.

I'd like to see us focus on playing more man for man next year. We really need to focus on kickouts (both our own and opposition) as they are so crucial at taking on Dublin. Forward play also needs looked at obviously with a lot more focus on getting the ball into the right area's.

Kerry and Mayo were poor in this year's championship so I've no idea why would need to beat them to prove we were the second best team. Monaghan should have beat Kerry by 7 or 8 points. Galway have a lot to prove still as well and lost easily to the Monaghan team we knocked out.

Overall it has been a positive season with a number of players improving. Still lots to work on but I'd be hopeful the players won't back down from the challenge. I'm sure they'll be a lot more dignified than some of the boys on here and there over the top personal criticisms/abuse.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 29, 2018, 11:45:32 AM »
eskra club. i wont be attending but i was collecting tickets and i could have had 3 or 4 home with me on a single membership. maybe other  clubs are different but what i seen was plenty of tickets. every member sorted easily, no draws, raffles needed. never seen it as easy to get an all ireland final ticket.

Very strange that Eskra put yesterday that there was a possibility of a second allocation of tickets if anyone was interested. Said they were sorry for the short notice but had only found out. You'd think if you handed back 40 tickets you wouldn't be putting out a notice about a second allocation.

Dont find it strange, Id say the second allocation of tickets is for interest shown by others who are non club member who may be friends of members from Eskra etc

Could also be a chance of people looking for better tickets in a second allocation

I don't think you would be allowed to hand back tickets and then ask for a second allocation. I know of at least 3 larger clubs that didn't get enough tickets and are waiting for the second allocation to fulfil requests.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 29, 2018, 08:25:17 AM »
eskra club. i wont be attending but i was collecting tickets and i could have had 3 or 4 home with me on a single membership. maybe other  clubs are different but what i seen was plenty of tickets. every member sorted easily, no draws, raffles needed. never seen it as easy to get an all ireland final ticket.

Very strange that Eskra put yesterday that there was a possibility of a second allocation of tickets if anyone was interested. Said they were sorry for the short notice but had only found out. You'd think if you handed back 40 tickets you wouldn't be putting out a notice about a second allocation.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 28, 2018, 09:34:48 AM »
That programme shows you how great a manager Harte is.
Tyrone were nothing before he came along, (don’t say he inherited great players) as Tyrone won two u21s with Canavan etc before that and no All Ireland’s. we were bottle merchants on the big stage and no one feared us, as the Kerryman said.
he moulded a team of winners. As well as that he has kept Tyrone at the top table ever since 2003 - take a look at other counties such as Armagh and Derry. The worst Tyrone ever got during his time was Div 2 with straight promotion the following year. The number of trophies he won is incredible.
Anyone who calls for him to go is an idiot, and should be careful for what they wish for.

Of course micky harte will go down as a great manager however to say Tyrone were nothing (which granted is subjective as your nothing may not be as bad as mine) beforehand is a bit harsh. 
- The 6 counties in general didn't perform outside of Ulster with down the only winners until 1993.
-Tyrone in 1986 would win in the modern game as 7 point lead would be mass defended and counter attack the mode of play. 
-1995 should have went to a replay so in my opinion a bit of luck was the ingredient missing up until that time with the u21 all Ireland winners a big part of that team.  Peter the great still being around 8 years later.
-Tyrone as a county are in the top 10 counties for land mass and population so when proper underage coaching was put in place we started to reap the rewards at county and school level. 
- I don't think you can argue with inheritance of players being  major factor as well in our amateur play where you are born sport as i think you will agree he wouldn't have been able to win with Carlow etc.
- I believe good Friday agreement was also a factor in that the ending of the troubles ended a potential avenue for "distraction" away from football
- and probably most importantly he took over 2 years into the back door system which means he certainly wouldn't have won as many all Ireland titles without it and in my opinion wouldn't have lasted as long as he has done without that system in place.
So great manager yes but would Tyrone have won an all Ireland if micky harte had never taken over? I have to believe with all the other factors I've mentioned then yes they would have eventually!
Good observation local expert. From the period 1984 to 2002 Eugene Mckenna won six Ulster titles as player/ Manager plus two All Ireland final apperances through the front and only door aswell as our first senior national title in 2002. Mickey Harte from the period 2003 to now has also won six Ulster titles, only one All Ireland final through the front door aswell as his national league back in the same year. Of course Harte got the All Ireland unlike McKenna. Then the back door came in and really benefited Harte unlike Eugene Mckenna in the 80s and 90s. To think Harte as he said in yesterdays Irish News when confronting the Tyrone county board 'their wasn't much won before I came along!' Unbelievable arrogance and no small distortion of reality.

That's a great well thought out point thebigdog, well done. If we all ignore the 3 all Ireland senior titles, 2 u21 all Irelands and 1 minor all Ireland won by Harte he really hasn't done anything that no one else before did. And wasn't it great that they brought the back door in to benefit Harte, it definitely gave Tyrone an unfair advantage over all the counties playing the same system. We should also assume that under the old system Tyrone wouldn't have done any better the years they won ulsters under Harte.

The backdoor was there in 2002 before Harte came along, we lost to Sligo.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 27, 2018, 07:44:10 PM »
Mickey harte won the u21 all Ireland in 2001, Sean cavanagh was still a minor and focused on that. Not sure you can find any negatives out of what he did in 2001.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Should Tyrone speak to RTE
« on: August 24, 2018, 08:28:01 AM »
I would do a much bigger deal with sky or ppv increasing potential access and revenue give tg4 the magazine programmes clubs and ladies as a product and
Let them develop that.. there could be a strong arguement made that tg4 could cover delayed games in Irish commentary and that mightn’t annoy sky too much as well. With more money I would reduce ticket prices to those who go to games so attendances will increase and if they want only give rte the banquet, up for the match and the Marty squad and the odd late late tribute show to the gaa on the consortium that pat kenny hosts it.let’s Move on. Get a proper platform of magazine coverage through sky but for sky to flourish rte probably need to be cut out.

Only problem is the 'Product' you are looking at promoting is MUCK!

There has been a media driven campaign to market the games as muck led by rte. There currently aren't enough good games at the minute and not enough competitive games. But there are still plenty of cracking football matches. Even in a poor championship campaign I can think of some great games such as Laois Wexford, Mayo Kildare, Roscommon Armagh, Monaghan Kerry, Galway Kildare. There were also some great underdog stories during the summer such as wins for Carlow over Kildare, Longford over Meath, and Fermanagh over Monaghan. As a Tyrone fan I really enjoyed our games with Meath and Donegal, though I'm not sure the atmosphere really came across on tv. Our first round loss to Monaghan was another very good game.

You could list out a number of very poor games over the summer or one sided matches. But you could do that in any sport. I'd like to see the ratio of good games improve though.

 For some reason in the gaa we expect every game to be brilliant and if it's not football is finished, it's a weird mentality. There'll be plenty of great club and underage games played throughout the year including for example the u20 final or Nemo beating Slaughtneil. The national league also had plenty of decent games.

I think part of the negativity stems from the fact that when people's own counties aren't going well the first thing people do is try to criticise the game generally.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 22, 2018, 10:53:39 AM »
Any chance of a bit of football chat on here ahead of the game. I'd posted this on the other thread:

It's great after a 10 year wait to have Tyrone part of the build up to an All Ireland final. No one might be giving us a chance but I'm sure we'll go down and give it a good go. We have a pretty good record in All Ireland finals across the grades since we made the u21 breakthrough in 1990. I think we've played in something like 19 finals since then (u17, minor, u21 and senior) and won 15 and drew one. Many of the current team have started on underage winning teams. So I don't think Tyrone will over awed by the sense of occasion.

We are playing one of the greatest teams ever to play the game so of course nothing is going to be easy and the players will have to play to their maximum ability and get a bit of luck to have a chance. We seen last year and in other games that putting 15 men behind the ball no longer works against the Dubs, they are too good at working scores. We are going to have to go man for man quite a bit with maybe only Colm Cavanagh playing as an out and out sweeper. From free kicks and occasions where we find a lot of players up the pitch we are going to have to push very hard on their kick out and see can Cluxton be broken. However, there will be times when it is best to concede it.

So what team would everyone start for the final and who would you match up? I'm going with the following:

Morgan
R Brennan (v Rock)
McNamee (v O'Callaghan)
McGeary (v Mannion)
McCann (v Howard)
Donnelly (v Kilkenny)
McKernan (v Scully)
Cavanagh (sweeper similar to O'Suillivan on Dublin team)
Hampsey (v Fenton)
Burns (v McCarthy)
Sludden (v Murchan)
Meyler (v McCaffrey)
Harte (v Small) - play him inside quite a bit
Bradley (v Cooper)
McAliskey (v McMahon)

I'd leave McAliskey and Harte up the pitch quite a bit. Small fouls Harte all day long so let him do it in front of goal where it will be noticed and scoreable frees awarded. Let Bradley drift in and out. That leaves us with Brennan, Loughran, R Donnelly, McShane, C McCann, HP McGeary to come during the second half. At that stage as it opens up maybe push Harte further out the pitch. If we are to have a chance our half back line and midfield needs to have a huge game defensively and still help drive the team forward.

On paper the Dubs definitely have a stronger team. But there is quite a few tussles there that we are capable of breaking even or shading on the day.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 22, 2018, 10:36:40 AM »
A quick scan through your posts SnapChat and you are quite the white knight.  Your doing a brilliant job son, a brilliant job.

Are you OK with people using online anonymity to personally abuse/bully named GAA people?

But if he is saying the same on social media under his own name he is hardly using anoymity. I'm not sure you understand how an internet forum works.

The admin should have banned both accounts long ago. Anyone signing up to post hundreds of messages criticising/abusing one individual should be banned. He has totally ruined this thread and clearly is not a Tyrone supporter.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 22, 2018, 10:09:50 AM »
For anyone interested in a bit of humour here is a selection of thebigdog quotes prior the qualifiers:

IL be hoping for a Meath win on Saturday. Let's just call it tough love.

I'm really hoping on Saturday Colm Cavanagh collects the ball in his own full back line, turns and shoots into his own net. Then moonwalks over to Harte and Devlin in the Tyrone dugout, arms out  and shouts woooo like the WWE wrestler ric flair... that would be so cool and so badass. Please do it Colm!!

So after a morning of debate on the matter, we've all come to the conclusion that it is greedy, selfish Sean Cavanagh s fault Tyrone will struggle to the super 8s! Someone hand me the oxygen mask I'm falling over laughing. The best thing Colm Cavanagh can do now in solidarity with his brother is walk out of this road to nowhere. Harte out.

I don't want to hear anymore crap about how great a player Peter Harte would be on the noughties team, the Dublin team, the Kerry team or any other bloody team. The only team that matters is the Tyrone seniors 2018. A player who in my eyes is not a team leader, a player who goes missing in action more often than not. Anyone who wants to understand why Mickey Harte plays his rigid system it is too purely accommodate his nephew who a don't think would fancy too much man to man  football as has been proven since last August. As the system has been found out, teams simply man mark him. Mickey s nephew is not up to it.  Never will be, and the red card on Sunday was a disgrace.

IL say one thing, and this has been proven in history the world over getting rid of a dictator has been always been a messy affair. I don't think we can underestimate how bad a place Tyrone are in at the minute.

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