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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2018
« on: November 02, 2018, 10:38:32 AM »
Coalisland bucked the trend in Tyrone though, really not that defensive. The individuals in their defense are excellent though, which is where there strength lies.
Cross by 2.

They got plenty of men behind the ball in all their championship games

GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2018
« on: November 02, 2018, 07:55:37 AM »
Cross best priced 1/2 on oddschecker, Coalisland best priced at 5/2. Attractive odds for Coalisland but hard to know how good Cross really are tbh, it's a new side pretty much. Will likely head over to it, should be a huge crowd - any sign of TG4 saving me a trip?
Or Armagh tv?

No and no. You'll have to get off your lazy arse Benny and cheer on your fellow county men!  Armagh TV only have rights for Armagh club games.

Coalisland won't be an easy touch and have a good side.  Tyrone teams are rarely beaten easy in Ulster and we are most vulnerable in the early stages of any competition, we only kick on as we get closer to the finals and that's an absolute fact not me being a cute hoor.

Having predicted Cross to lose both the Armagh quarter final and semi final and talking down their chances in the final I sense that despite trying you are actually struggling to give the opposition a chance in this one. Cross have to be favourites here with some great young players. Coalisland will be defensive and make life difficult and there could well be a flash point or two. The biggest problem for Cross will be their forwards getting much less space than in Armagh championship. I still think they have better players than Coalisland and will pull through by 4/5.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: October 29, 2018, 09:40:25 AM »
Coalisland clonoe meant nothing to no one. If killyclogher had any respect to the league or other teams at the bottom they would have fulfilled the fixture properly. As I said it wasn’t like it was weeks after the county final and I’m sure the majority of the team could have spared a few hours to play their last game for months. If they’d give it half a go and lost I wouldn’t be giving out.

I also would have had more sympathy if they’d won last week and where resting players ahead of a big push for Ulster.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: October 29, 2018, 08:31:48 AM »
Have to agree that was an absolute disgrace what killyclogher did yesterday. Totally unfair on multiple clubs fighting for points. Not only did they give points they also could have effected scoring difference if things had worked out differently.

It’s not like there was a big gap after the final either. No one expected them to train this week but they could easily have fulfilled the fixture. Augher managed a win after losing a county final last week. I hope some day soon killyclogher are in trouble and someone throws points to another team.

The county board are going to have to reduce the games with the county players to get the league wrapped up pre championship. There is too many farcical results at this stage of the year.  Some on here say it doesn’t matter as you should have done enough all year but that’s totally wrong. There is 2 points separating about 7 teams at the bottom. A few teams have been thrown one or two games getting them out of trouble. Other teams haven’t had the luxury down to luck of the fixtures and have suffered.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: October 22, 2018, 07:50:31 AM »
Tiarnan McCann gets stick from some on here who say he shouldn't be on the county team.  He was probably the best player on the pitch in the county final today. Killyclogher just didn't have enough outside of him and Bradley. The mistake by the keeper for Coalisland's first goal changed the game followed up by a harsh decision to blow McCann up for over carrying (he could have had a free) leading to the second goal.

Would agree that McCann acted badly after the goal. I would be surprised if he had taken any verbals from Donnelly before it and Donnelly looked shocked at his actions.

Tattyreagh fully deserved their win and great to see them push on. Thought their defenders were excellent in one on one duels with the Augher forwards often coming out winning the ball. Two good workers around the middle in the Harkins who win plenty of ball and then a couple of decent forwards including Darcy. Would be great for them if they keep their management and I'm sure they'll make life uncomfortable for plenty of teams coming there next year. They also seem to play the game in the right spirit and get on with things quickly at every free kick.

GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2018
« on: October 16, 2018, 08:15:27 AM »
So Lavey v Lavey is a possibility

Please let this happen.


Call out for the guys who predicted Cullyhanna, Slaughtneil and Kilcoo.

Scotstowns to lose. Most experienced team it it, sprinkled with stars, the winners between them and Derrygonnelly have a great chance, as have Burren with their pedigree. Ifnwe beat Ballymacnab, which is a big if given our injuries, then we could be there or thereabouts but we are still very young. 6 of the likely starting team this Sunday are u21 with another 2-3 under 24. Kids really. I'd say if we win armagh we will be happy at that.

You also predicted Cross would lose to both the harps and Cullyhanna. They will be one of the favourites for ulster and it would be a big shock if they don't win Armagh at this stage.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: October 15, 2018, 09:09:05 AM »
How many points did Carrickmore and Galbally pick up in starred games playing against teams without county players when they aren't disadvantaged as they have no county players???

Looks like the only one for Carrickmore was a victory over Moy. But given they are only a point above them in the table a reversal of that result and it easily could have been them sitting still not safe or able to give points away. The league table does lie when teams get points at this time of year against teams not trying or who have switched off for the year. League system needs changed so that it can be wrapped up pre championship and teams are more likely to put in the effort in more games.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: October 02, 2018, 08:27:55 AM »
How does dungannon get a Semi Final double header.  The pitch is brutal and the dressing rooms are even worse.  I know it is a former county ground but it's not up to standard at the minute IMO.

Didnt they have to use the hurley field earlier in the year cause their field was being done up (or just plain sh!te)

Man was saying the other day they played a league game in it this year once they started playing home games again and the surface was brutal, big drain lines the whole way up the field, ankle breaking material. Poor Pitch, Poor Changing, Poor Parking, Poor Atmosphere - so just a bad call really

Dungannon always had a great atmosphere over the years. Everyone is very close to the pitch and there was always good noise from the stands. Can't say I ever found parking to be a huge issue, certainly no worse than the likes of Pomeroy. They do need to do lot of work to get the ground up to scratch though.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: October 01, 2018, 02:08:48 PM »
It would be great if they would spend a few pound on Dungannon and turn into into a good championship venue. It's the ideal location for the games on Saturday in terms of geography. There is plenty of big championship games played involving teams in this side of the county that it could be used for. If they did it right it could also be a great venue for a Tyrone McKenna Cup and league game as well.

Carrickmore currently probably is the best venue to go and watch a club championship game in Tyrone. Much better atmosphere than Omagh which is too big for most of them.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: September 28, 2018, 10:19:05 AM »
It is just me or is that not madness for a county man to book stag in middle of what is always championship time. I know the county calendar makes it difficult but jesus oh....tatts will have some chance to make a semi final now

Wouldnt say its madness, just a player that doesnt really give a sh*t about his club.

Same with R.Donnelly Trillick. County Men 1st, Club who rared them and made them who they are 2nd

You don't know the ins and outs of the R Donnelly injury and it's vey easy to sit behind a computer and judge someone who has been training 4 or 5 times a week minimum from last November. And someone that has trained a lot the last few years and never made a breakthrough with injuries. The injury sounded like a potential season ender and they patched him together to get through two games. He wasn't deemed fit enough to start the final. And he probably wouldn't have been fit enough to get through a full club championship if they did go well. He has given plenty to Trillick over the years and I'm sure will in the future.

GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 26, 2018, 09:27:22 AM »
I don't understand what you think the relevance of it happening directly after he caught a mark is. That doesn't change in the slightest whether it was deliberate or accidental. The ref was there, he deemed it accidental.

If they want to appeal, they can (as you say, presuming entitled to under the rules) - releasing a statement would not seem to be the best way to go about that, and indeed, would seem to be deliberately designed to escalate this in the (uninformed) public eye

The statement was obviously intended to put pressure on the county board who wanted to brush the incident under the carpet and were quick to release a public statement of their own.

GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 26, 2018, 09:25:57 AM »
What exactly does prolonging this achieve? Who cares what the man on the street thinks about the incident? At the end of the day those who want it to be deliberate will see that in the video, and those who don't, won't.

Moy have released a statement saying they disagree with their own county boards interpretation of the incident. I don't know on what planet they think that's a good idea. If they really are that interested in having a player retrospectively punished for what appears to be a debatable incident, releasing statements to the media would not seem to be the best way to go about it, and it certainly contravenes part of their self-same statement:

'The club also condemned online abuse that appeared against both sides in the aftermath of the incident and appealed for restraint, and wished Edendork well in the next round of the championship.'

Such a shit show

Without seeing the video it's hard to make a judgement but if it does look clearly deliberate then they are 100% correct. Both Edendork and the county board were quick releasing statements saying it was an accident. If it does look deliberate you would have to ask what are the county board at releasing a statement effectively saying it was an accident? They should be trying to cut these incidents out of the game not help cover them up. There have been so many incidents happening in Tyrone club games recently that when evidence is available that a serious assault took place it shouldn't be ignored.

If it was deliberate and you can get away with knocking someone out and breaking their nose with the use of knees in a championship game with 8 match officials and a video you'd wonder what you could get away with a club league game with just a referee there. We've had a few serious assaults in games this year in Tyrone. And high profile players have always been a target, look at whay happened Brian McGuigan in a reserve game a number of years ago. Our players deserve protection.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: September 26, 2018, 08:54:07 AM »
Anyone else bored of this whole Cavanagh stuff? If it had been any other player on the pitch there wouldn't be a word about it?

Probably not but IF it was deliberate there should be plenty said about it. No player should be knocked out, suffer concussion and a broken nose as a result of someone colliding with their head deliberately with their knees. And the county board certainly shouldn't be covering up the incident if that is the case by releasing statements effectively saying it was accidental if it wasn't. IF it was deliberate incidents like that should be highlighted as there is currently far too much of it going on in the game and is going to have serious consequences if not addressed.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: September 26, 2018, 07:38:13 AM »
See that obviously wasn’t an accident and that’s the way Moy see it, the way Meyler seen it and the way I seen it. But what good will an appeal do for the Moy? Galbally will be the biggest beneficiaries although if the CCC do accept the appeal Edendork will take them to court.

Get the popcorn out

I suppose they just wanted to set the record straight given such public statements from both Edendork and the county board that the incident was a pure accident. They obviously feel the video shows something different to that. The county board don't tend to be strong when it comes to things like this and given all the media around Sean Cavanagh recently they were maybe even less likely to act.

GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 14, 2018, 10:55:58 AM »
I know this was nothing new, but the stuff on Mass and the Rosary for me is something that the Tyrone CB should be looking very strongly at.  Totally inappropriate given the message it sends out to those with other faiths and none, that have an interest in playing Gaelic Football.
Noticed an reference to this elsewhere, so took a quick look to see what the reaction was on this forum.

Frankly, I'm shocked - though not surprised - that this particular aspect of Cavanagh's book doesn't merit a thread of its own (or at least some comment from more than one or two individuals).

I mean, is no-one else astonished, even outraged, that a team manager could get away with imposing his personal religious leanings on an entire team, to the exclusion of those who may feel differently?

i read a lot of stuff about sledging and foul play etc, but there is at least some possible redress (referee) or comeback (retaliation) to those things, but what can someone on the Tyrone panel who doesn't agree say or do to this? Speak out and never play for the county again?

And all that's BEFORE you get to the context of sport and society in  NI.

Could you imagine the shitstorm if eg the Linfield manager required his players eg to take part in some sort of Orange Order parade, or British armed forces commemoration, or attend a Free Presbyterian service?

It would be roundly and publicly condemned, with the governing body clamping down immediately, and QUITE RIGHTLY too, imo. In fact, it's unthinkable. (And I say that as someone who pretty much despises Linfield, btw).

"GAA For All (Protestants need not apply)"

Those aren't accurate comparisons - I'd say an accurate comparison would be attending a church service, and the comparisons you've chosen are telling about you, but your general point is valid. (On a slight tangent though, weren't Irish league players forced to take part in a ceremony and have an anthem they don't recognise as theirs played as though it were recently??)

I don't see it as a big imposition at all, but nonetheless everyone should have their own free choice - I haven't seen any evidence yet that they didn't. If anyone went to MH and said, I'm not comfortable, do you really think they would have suffered repercussions re selection? I doubt it very much. It would seem noone involved had an issue (Unlike the Irish league example I mentioned earlier actually).

The majority of Irish catholics are brought up with the ritual of mass, when they have their own free choice they'll all attend weddings, funerals, mass at easter/christmas, for whatever reason. A mass before games in this context isn't a big deal. Irish catholicism isn't taken that seriously, its just a routine for many, and I think thats the context it needs to be taken in. its not forcing your religious views onto others, as it is being portrayed.

I think you missed the point there.
Most Irish catholics wouldn't have a major problem with it. But What about somebody who isn't catholic? It's a pretty big deal to anyone of any other religion (or no religion).  It could certainly be viewed as 'forcing' your catholic views onto non catholics.
Obviously, we don't know how much 'forcing' was done, but all managers want players to do things as a team. Therefore it's likely that everyone was strongly encouraged to go as a team!

And who on the team isn't Irish or from a catholic background?

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