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I didn't get to see any of Sunday's game....anything newish?

We dumped a 19 year old into midfield against City, Xhaka and Ramsey were taken off before him, he just about kept his head above water. He will be a good one. Lichtsteiner is a w**ker, really raised aggression levels when he came on and Lacazette not afraid to leave a foot in.

So definitely more physical, as season progresses can only see one of Ramsey, Ozil, Mkhitaryan starting away games and only 2 at home. They are too tippy tappy and wasteful in possession.

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Youíd expect nearly all the neutrals would back Tyrone but I nearly get the sense that a few mayo and Kildare posters would love to see a big win for Dublin. Itíll back up their point about Dublinís resources being whatís beating other teams etc.

Our county has spent hundreds of years fighting battles against bullies with greater resources than the locals and always fought back including plenty of victories along the way. The county has also fought back from plenty of hardships.

The team will rise to the occasion and drive the dubs back. A few extra pound in the bank, extra gear or 40 man back room team is nothing compared to what Hugh OíNeill had to go up against in victory 420 years ago today against a heavily armed English army. Letís get into the trenches and fight, itís what we do best. Letís make the dubs fight for every ball and if they do manage to win it letís torture the life out of them until they give it back. Letís ignite the spirit of 03 against Kerry. All Ireland finals donít come around too often for most counties, itís time to make the most of. Tyrone abu.

How very dare you.

If Dublin played England I'd shout for England.

Have my Tyrone jersey bought already! Dublin are the antithesis of the GAA, they don't give a shite about the welfare or the state of the game. After Kerry their supporters they have the biggest sense of entitlement, they can't take criticism, take preciousness to a new level and are obtuse around facts such as home advantage and financial doping.

Don't get me wrong a Tyrone victory will not be good in the long term but I will enjoy that victory almost as much as a Kildare one.

It's nothing personal Dubs, in fact one of my best friends is a Dublin fanatic, the bollox, but I would love it, really love it if Tyrone won.

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GAA Discussion / OTB - Omagh Bombing - Omagh GAA
« on: Today at 09:51:17 AM »
https://youtu.be/TAI4viKGswc?t=2676

Really good work by Shane Stapleton this, not an easy listen but none the less compelling as Niall McSorley, Paddy Quinn & Karl Logue talk about that fateful day.

OTB are certainly pushing the boundaries of sports broadcasting in this country.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Willie Barret - Referees Development Chairman
« on: August 14, 2018, 01:59:06 AM »
I think much of the problem is the how the rules are too open to interpretation. As an example you see the player with the ball getting tackled and suddenly swarmed. One referee will give a free for overcarrying and another a free to the forward for a push or the like. Both fouls may have occurred but what is the correct decision. My favourite bug bear is that if a defender tackles one on one a foul and booking is more easily seen. The swarm defending often results in 'incidental ' physical contact which is seldom penalised. In many cases the 'incidental contact is deliberate and used to 'soften' the forward. Where did the rule go that you were only allowed to tackle the ball and shoulder charge? If you are making physical contact with an opponent and not making an attempt for the ball surely that is a foul. Or is it?

I suppose what I am trying to say is how do we improve the standard of refereeing when so many rules can be interpreted differently? It is also no coincidence that the standard of refereeing has apparently fallen at the same time as the game has morphed into an at many times unwatchable mix of rugby league and basketball.


No - and this is what the problem is. The tackle is open to interpretation. Very little else is but it has become that way.

4 steps is not open to interpretation and is continuosly and consistently abused. Proper application of this rule alone would change the face of the game. That and many of the excuses for hand passes that are allowed. "Clear striking action" is what the rule says. A huge % of handpasses are throws with the token waving of a pretend "striking hand" at the ball.

With tackling you can usually see a pull or a hold or contact that is in no way attempting to play the ball. It is less clear granted but when you see guys who are good tacklers like Tyrone at times yesterday it's a tremendous skill. Everything is weighted in the ball carriers favour the way the game is nowaday. He can take 10 steps. He can throw the ball away to a teammate. He can dive and can even still get away with the old hook the arm trick. That's why defences are now crowd scenes....it's so hard for defenders one on one with the way the game is refereed. I played all over the field so this isn't a "backs union" post - I wish when I played as a forward the rules were implemented as they are now.

With the greatest respect to my fellow county man I don't think two refs would improve matters. As AZ says, there are already 7 officials there. I can just imagine the hoots of derision when both refs blow for a free and point in opposite directions....don't tell me it wouldn't happen!!!

I thought Nolan was really, really bad on Sunday. I've Tyrone blood so a bit biased and thought he was killing Tyrone especially in the second half. Most Monaghan folk think the opposite from what I hear.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin v Tyrone 2018 All Ireland Final
« on: August 13, 2018, 05:11:36 PM »
Would you be a big fan of Japanese movies with happy endings, Dinny?


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GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin v Tyrone 2018 All Ireland Final
« on: August 13, 2018, 05:10:38 PM »
Ah the Tyrone lads can at least enjoy ''Up for the Match''. They'll drag in Charlie for to talk about that Red Card he did not walk off the field for. And Brush Shields will talk about how great the Hill was in the seventies!

You will also have the concerted media ambush the week before the game! Former Dublin players will be out in force to blacken a decent Player threat from Tyrone. The Northern Brand of football will be vilified!

In fairness Tyroneís brand of football is already the most vilified in living memory. You can get much blacker than pitch black. Reckon itís a job for Dublin Joe or Gough.

I'd say be Gough. McQuillian was linesman for Dublin/Galway game. Coldrick won't get it as poor in last Dublin/Tyrone match.

At least Gough will ensure players will wear their gumshields. Best of a bad bad lot.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin v Tyrone 2018 All Ireland Final
« on: August 13, 2018, 03:46:31 PM »
Tyrone have greater hunger, they will want this more, they won't be afraid to put their bodies on the line, they northern grit, they have their blanket, they have been written off and they will pin that to the wall, they are have flying in training, they have no expectation so no pressure, they've put in the hard yards, they are going to unleash the shackles, they have a system to test Dublin...

So after we listen to all that bolloxology cliche rubbish for the next 3 weeks the final will simply be Dublin doing what Dublin do as a brilliantly prepared and coached team, probe and probe, keeping the score board ticking over, big spurt, a little bit wayward, odd free or chance missed, only leading by 3 or 4 at half-time, more bolloxology about if Tyrone can get the next score, keep it tight, be in it with 10 to go, Dublin keeping probing, introduce freshness and pace, Tyrone start conceding frees, lead goes out to 6/7, game gets looser, bang Dublin goal, a couple more points, Tyrone rally with a few late scores Dublin win by 9-11 points. We've all seen this cartoon before, it's not going to change.

Afterwards will be more bolloxology as usual, we'll be told Kildare/Meath need to be doing more to challenge Dublin and other counties need to step up and put in the same structures as Dublin, who are really smart with their money investing it really well even though no new clubs or substantial increased rates in participation and falling supporter numbers.

The average age of the Dublin team is 25 years. They will win 4 in a row, perhaps not 5 but with the Championship structure as it is, remember Tyrone have lost 2 games, can anyone see Dublin losing 2 games a year especially when the vast majority of those games are at home?

Golden generations they said, they won the All-Ireland in 2011, from that team no Alan Brogan, no Bernard Brogan, no Diarmund Connolly, no Rory O'Carroll, no Ger Brennan, no Denis Bastick, no Kevin Nolan, no Barry Cahill, no Bryan Cullen.....

8 excellent footballers and Ger Brennan, all gone all replaced only 7 years later..... 


Maybe it will take Dublin winning 7/8 out of 10 but something needs to change, and it won't be the Monster in it's current guise. I have received dogs abuse for stating this over the last 5 years or so but I haven't been wrong.....

A lot of that 2011 team where near the end of their careers. Others left due to illness, travel, injuries or dropped. When Jim Gavin took over in 2013 he changed a lot of personnel. In 2013 he gave debuts championship due to Darren Daly, Dean Rock, Cormac Costello, Kevin O'Brien, Nicky Devereux, Paul Mannion, gave full debuts to Jack McCaffrey and Jonny Cooper. Ciaran Kilkenny his league debut, brought Paddy Andrews back into setup. If you look at 2013 team that played Mayo 16/20 were still playing last year. Here is list of players used by Jim Gavin in championship (2013-18). 45 players used since in 38.


Player      Games   Starts   Subs
            
Cluxton, Stephen      37   37   0
Rock, Dean      37   27   10
Cooper, Jonny      35   35   0
O'Sullivan, Cian      35   34   1
McCarthy, James      35   33   2
McManaman, Kevin      35   15   20
Flynn, Paul      34   25   9
Macauley, Michael Darragh      33   24   9
Kilkenny, Ciaran      32   32   0
McMahon, Philip      32   30   2
Fitzsimons, Michael      31   15   16
McCaffrey, Jack      30   25   5
Brogan, Bernard      30   23   7
Mannion, Paul      30   22   8
Andrews, Paddy      29   20   9
Connolly, Diarmuid      28   26   2
Daly, Darren      27   6   21
Fenton, Brian      26   26   0
Small, John      22   16   6
O'Gara, Eoghan      19   6   13
Lowndes, Eric      18   9   9
Bastick, Denis      18   5   13
O'Carroll, Rory      17   17   0
Costello, Cormac      16   2   14
O'Callaghan, Con      15   12   3
Byrne, David      12   7   5
Brogan, Alan      12   5   7
Scully, Niall      11   10   1
Howard, Brian      8   6   2
Devereux, Nicky      7   4   3
Brennan, Ger      6   6   0
O'Brien, Kevin      5   3   2
Brady, Tomas      5   0   5
Murchan, Eoin      4   3   1
Basquel, Colm      4   1   3
Cullen, Bryan      4   1   3
McHugh, Conor      4   0   4
Carthy, Shane- St Vincents      3   0   3
Comerford, Evan      2   1   1
Nolan, Kevin      2   1   1
Schutte, Mark      2   0   2
McGowan, Andrew      1   0   1
Mullally, Conor      1   0   1
O'Conghaile, Emmett      1   0   1
Small, Paddy      1   0   1

Interesting, thanks for that Debunk.

What debunk that 25 odd players is a golden generation, soon to be added to by O'Callaghan, Howard, Scully and Murchan? It just proves the point.

No it doesn't Ewan, I don't remember the Golden generation remarks, Gilroy cleaned out some squad members, built his own team, Gavin came in did the same but Gavin had the luxury of managing some of these players at u-21 and brought them in.

I think pretty everyone here knows I am not Ewan MacKenna, a journalist who I think is a clown. Dublin are often referred to as a golden generation, that this success is down to that, that it's all cyclical, my point since approx 2012 is that it's not, not with the financial gap and other inorganic advantages. Dublin are a monster, this isn't a Japanese movie either there will be no happy ending..

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GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin v Tyrone 2018 All Ireland Final
« on: August 13, 2018, 03:30:59 PM »
Tyrone have greater hunger, they will want this more, they won't be afraid to put their bodies on the line, they northern grit, they have their blanket, they have been written off and they will pin that to the wall, they are have flying in training, they have no expectation so no pressure, they've put in the hard yards, they are going to unleash the shackles, they have a system to test Dublin...

So after we listen to all that bolloxology cliche rubbish for the next 3 weeks the final will simply be Dublin doing what Dublin do as a brilliantly prepared and coached team, probe and probe, keeping the score board ticking over, big spurt, a little bit wayward, odd free or chance missed, only leading by 3 or 4 at half-time, more bolloxology about if Tyrone can get the next score, keep it tight, be in it with 10 to go, Dublin keeping probing, introduce freshness and pace, Tyrone start conceding frees, lead goes out to 6/7, game gets looser, bang Dublin goal, a couple more points, Tyrone rally with a few late scores Dublin win by 9-11 points. We've all seen this cartoon before, it's not going to change.

Afterwards will be more bolloxology as usual, we'll be told Kildare/Meath need to be doing more to challenge Dublin and other counties need to step up and put in the same structures as Dublin, who are really smart with their money investing it really well even though no new clubs or substantial increased rates in participation and falling supporter numbers.

The average age of the Dublin team is 25 years. They will win 4 in a row, perhaps not 5 but with the Championship structure as it is, remember Tyrone have lost 2 games, can anyone see Dublin losing 2 games a year especially when the vast majority of those games are at home?

Golden generations they said, they won the All-Ireland in 2011, from that team no Alan Brogan, no Bernard Brogan, no Diarmund Connolly, no Rory O'Carroll, no Ger Brennan, no Denis Bastick, no Kevin Nolan, no Barry Cahill, no Bryan Cullen.....

8 excellent footballers and Ger Brennan, all gone all replaced only 7 years later..... 


Maybe it will take Dublin winning 7/8 out of 10 but something needs to change, and it won't be the Monster in it's current guise. I have received dogs abuse for stating this over the last 5 years or so but I haven't been wrong.....

A lot of that 2011 team where near the end of their careers. Others left due to illness, travel, injuries or dropped. When Jim Gavin took over in 2013 he changed a lot of personnel. In 2013 he gave debuts championship due to Darren Daly, Dean Rock, Cormac Costello, Kevin O'Brien, Nicky Devereux, Paul Mannion, gave full debuts to Jack McCaffrey and Jonny Cooper. Ciaran Kilkenny his league debut, brought Paddy Andrews back into setup. If you look at 2013 team that played Mayo 16/20 were still playing last year. Here is list of players used by Jim Gavin in championship (2013-18). 45 players used since in 38.


Player      Games   Starts   Subs
            
Cluxton, Stephen      37   37   0
Rock, Dean      37   27   10
Cooper, Jonny      35   35   0
O'Sullivan, Cian      35   34   1
McCarthy, James      35   33   2
McManaman, Kevin      35   15   20
Flynn, Paul      34   25   9
Macauley, Michael Darragh      33   24   9
Kilkenny, Ciaran      32   32   0
McMahon, Philip      32   30   2
Fitzsimons, Michael      31   15   16
McCaffrey, Jack      30   25   5
Brogan, Bernard      30   23   7
Mannion, Paul      30   22   8
Andrews, Paddy      29   20   9
Connolly, Diarmuid      28   26   2
Daly, Darren      27   6   21
Fenton, Brian      26   26   0
Small, John      22   16   6
O'Gara, Eoghan      19   6   13
Lowndes, Eric      18   9   9
Bastick, Denis      18   5   13
O'Carroll, Rory      17   17   0
Costello, Cormac      16   2   14
O'Callaghan, Con      15   12   3
Byrne, David      12   7   5
Brogan, Alan      12   5   7
Scully, Niall      11   10   1
Howard, Brian      8   6   2
Devereux, Nicky      7   4   3
Brennan, Ger      6   6   0
O'Brien, Kevin      5   3   2
Brady, Tomas      5   0   5
Murchan, Eoin      4   3   1
Basquel, Colm      4   1   3
Cullen, Bryan      4   1   3
McHugh, Conor      4   0   4
Carthy, Shane- St Vincents      3   0   3
Comerford, Evan      2   1   1
Nolan, Kevin      2   1   1
Schutte, Mark      2   0   2
McGowan, Andrew      1   0   1
Mullally, Conor      1   0   1
O'Conghaile, Emmett      1   0   1
Small, Paddy      1   0   1

Interesting, thanks for that Debunk.

What debunk that 25 odd players is a golden generation, soon to be added to by O'Callaghan, Howard, Scully and Murchan? It just proves the point.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Willie Barret - Referees Development Chairman
« on: August 13, 2018, 03:26:55 PM »
He should resign, the standard of refereeing is at all time low.

If Anthony Nolan is one of the best referee's in the country then it's time to bring back Seamus Aldridge.

This notion that unless it can be implemented at club level the it can't be introduced is ridiculous, the pace of inter-county football is miles ahead of the highest club standard.

If the GAA can have full time administrators then it's time for full-time referees.

5 per province for football and hurling- refereeing Jan -Sep, training and educating referees - Oct - Dec.

Put them on a retainer of 25k and then a match fee.

The standard of refereeing is very poor alright but the inconsistency in how different referees interpret things from one game to the next is a big part of the reason. It is a difficult game to referee but there is a distinct lack of physicality allowed by most referees in the current game. Paying full time referees is certainly not a route that I would like to see and I don't think that will ever happen in any case. The GPA would be up in arms. Plus it doesn't actually guarantee anything, there are plenty of poor full time officials in the premier league and they are full time.

Surely a professional approach would help with that uniformity that is required for consistency. They will be training and working together, we need group think.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Willie Barret - Referees Development Chairman
« on: August 13, 2018, 03:06:58 PM »
Hmmmmmm. ...
But why for Hurling -sure the ref is only a score keeper.

Can you imagine the whinging if we didn't....

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GAA Discussion / Willie Barret - Referees Development Chairman
« on: August 13, 2018, 02:57:50 PM »
He should resign, the standard of refereeing is at all time low.

If Anthony Nolan is one of the best referee's in the country then it's time to bring back Seamus Aldridge.

This notion that unless it can be implemented at club level the it can't be introduced is ridiculous, the pace of inter-county football is miles ahead of the highest club standard.

If the GAA can have full time administrators then it's time for full-time referees.

5 per province for football and hurling- refereeing Jan -Sep, training and educating referees - Oct - Dec.

Put them on a retainer of 25k and then a match fee.



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GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin v Tyrone 2018 All Ireland Final
« on: August 13, 2018, 11:15:59 AM »
You have laugh about kildare supporters giving out about resources. You see likes monaghan getting to semi final than kildare whingeing and making excuses for not making progress. If they put resources into youth structure instead of paying outside managers and poaching players from other counties. Interesting 3 lads gave up professional sport to play with county? Who funding this? Kevin Feely was getting 5k with Charlton. What are kildare cb contributing to him? He should be playing with his home country Waterford too. Kildare won 2 Leinster in noughties with kerry manager and player and a tipp and Cork player.

Thank god the schools are back soon. You should change your handle too. Wonder which poster you really are though?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin v Tyrone 2018 All Ireland Final
« on: August 13, 2018, 10:50:11 AM »
Tyrone have greater hunger, they will want this more, they won't be afraid to put their bodies on the line, they northern grit, they have their blanket, they have been written off and they will pin that to the wall, they are have flying in training, they have no expectation so no pressure, they've put in the hard yards, they are going to unleash the shackles, they have a system to test Dublin...

So after we listen to all that bolloxology cliche rubbish for the next 3 weeks the final will simply be Dublin doing what Dublin do as a brilliantly prepared and coached team, probe and probe, keeping the score board ticking over, big spurt, a little bit wayward, odd free or chance missed, only leading by 3 or 4 at half-time, more bolloxology about if Tyrone can get the next score, keep it tight, be in it with 10 to go, Dublin keeping probing, introduce freshness and pace, Tyrone start conceding frees, lead goes out to 6/7, game gets looser, bang Dublin goal, a couple more points, Tyrone rally with a few late scores Dublin win by 9-11 points. We've all seen this cartoon before, it's not going to change.

Afterwards will be more bolloxology as usual, we'll be told Kildare/Meath need to be doing more to challenge Dublin and other counties need to step up and put in the same structures as Dublin, who are really smart with their money investing it really well even though no new clubs or substantial increased rates in participation and falling supporter numbers.

The average age of the Dublin team is 25 years. They will win 4 in a row, perhaps not 5 but with the Championship structure as it is, remember Tyrone have lost 2 games, can anyone see Dublin losing 2 games a year especially when the vast majority of those games are at home?

Golden generations they said, they won the All-Ireland in 2011, from that team no Alan Brogan, no Bernard Brogan, no Diarmund Connolly, no Rory O'Carroll, no Ger Brennan, no Denis Bastick, no Kevin Nolan, no Barry Cahill, no Bryan Cullen.....

8 excellent footballers and Ger Brennan, all gone all replaced only 7 years later..... 

Maybe it will take Dublin winning 7/8 out of 10 but something needs to change, and it won't be the Monster in it's current guise. I have received dogs abuse for stating this over the last 5 years or so but I haven't been wrong.....





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GAA Discussion / Re: DUBLIN V REST OF IRELAND
« on: August 12, 2018, 05:58:32 PM »
Beggan is better than Cluxton.

And Con O'Callaghan,Paul Mannion,Ciaran Kilkenny are Dublin forwards that would make the best team in Ireland.

Na

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Where are all these natural Galway forwards as good as if not better than anything in the country?

Strange game, really lacks intensity. It's an ALL-IRELAND ffs.

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