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GAA Discussion / Re: Players dropping out for Championship
« on: April 18, 2019, 02:20:33 PM »
There have always been players who get disillusioned with not getting enough game time. it makes headlines if it's a county player but it happens at club level too and I would imagine at the same ratio but without the same publicity. I have known lots of guys who couldn't hack the commitment of training or indeed the pressure of playing senior club football.

They were happy enough to go play soccer as there was zero pressure and no training, these players are not much use on a panel of 25 whoa re prepared to put the work in so if that's what they want wish them all the best as the group is better off without them.

Cannot believe Dinny that you have said you would discourage your son form playing county. Though might be better to wait until he's asked before making such a big decision  ;)

I said I wouldn't encourage him, I would never discourage him. For an amateur sport I think things have swung too far towards professional and the reward is not worth the sacrifice.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Players dropping out for Championship
« on: April 18, 2019, 02:16:07 PM »
And what about other sports? What would division one club rugby players be training in the week? I wouldn't have great knowledge of it but I was under the impression they were training at least 4/5 times a week (not all collectively)?

Most of them get paid believe it or not well reimbursed for expenses.

They would train collectively twice a week, no collective gym sessions. 18 AIL fixtures set in stone. Easy to play no other commitments bar the 2 games for the 25 who are selected to play for the Irish Club team.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Players dropping out for Championship
« on: April 18, 2019, 12:35:54 PM »
Kildare

Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out

Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain.  We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.

I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.

Bit of a generalisation there. Plenty of lads love being involved with the county. A lot of the enjoyment will come from winning big games and sense of achievement. If the manager has any sense he'll let them enjoy the good days with a few beers. Some managers are too serious no doubt but there's still plenty of enjoyment from playing your sport at the top level and pulling on your county jersey no doubt.

They have been institutionalised from a young age. It's all they know. The penny is already dropping for lots of players. The sacrifice for the have-nots is too much to try and keep up with the haves. There's a reason why a lot of players sooner play with their clubs than their county!

What is so different to playing county football than playing any sport to a decent level? There is plenty of lads willing to do it and I'm sure they enjoy the craic of being part of a team and enjoy playing the game.

I'd imagine they don't actually train that more often as a team than a club rugby player does for example. In Tyrone the county team train on the pitch on a Tuesday and Thursday and have gym on a Wednesday then have a game or train once at the weekend. Would that really be that different to any other sport?

A lot of the complaining seems to come from people not involved.

I know it's a one off case but I was fairly recently talking to an ex county footballer and he told me if he was to do it again he wouldn't have played county football. He said there Is zero per cent fun in it, said the only buzz was the couple of weeks before the championship games. Said there was no element of enjoyment what so ever. He said he'd have stuck at club football and enjoyed pints after wins, instead of recovery sessions, food & ice baths after a win playing county football.

Anecdotal but there are hundreds of these type of stories out there. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: What do New York bring to the Championship
« on: April 18, 2019, 12:34:32 PM »
The obvious answer is that Connacht is a small province and without NY and London would be even more horribly lopsided than Leinster
Connacht has 3 decent teams unlike Leinster

Roscommon are at the same level as Kildare and Meath. Leitrim are a level below Laois, Longford , Westmeath and Offaly.

Connacht has a good Mayo team and a solid Galway team. Leinster has the greatest team of all time, that's why it's so lopsided, remove the dopers and you have a great championship. They would have any decimated any of the provincial championships in the last 10 years.

 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Players dropping out for Championship
« on: April 18, 2019, 12:30:07 PM »
I never said brain washed. Young players who come from development squads are conditioned to believe that training 4/5 times a week is normal, they are told that playing for their county is an honour and a privilege. The club are proud of you, the parish is proud of you, blah! f**king blah! They don't know any different but as the penny drops they drop.

My son will play club football, I wouldn't be encouraging him to play inter-county. Too much of a sacrifice for an amateur sport.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Players dropping out for Championship
« on: April 18, 2019, 11:53:43 AM »
Kildare

Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out

Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain.  We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.

I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.

Bit of a generalisation there. Plenty of lads love being involved with the county. A lot of the enjoyment will come from winning big games and sense of achievement. If the manager has any sense he'll let them enjoy the good days with a few beers. Some managers are too serious no doubt but there's still plenty of enjoyment from playing your sport at the top level and pulling on your county jersey no doubt.

They have been institutionalised from a young age. It's all they know. The penny is already dropping for lots of players. The sacrifice for the have-nots is too much to try and keep up with the haves. There's a reason why a lot of players sooner play with their clubs than their county!

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GAA Discussion / Re: Players dropping out for Championship
« on: April 18, 2019, 10:42:02 AM »
Kildare

Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out

Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain.  We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.

I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Div 3
« on: April 16, 2019, 01:00:32 PM »
I presume the love affair with Carlow is now well and truly ended

It was never there once Poacher came to the fore last year.....

~IF you were at the Kildare v carlow or any of the 3 laois games like i was last year then the Carlow love affair thing was never a goer ...A horrible nasty piece of stuff is Poacher!

Amen brother.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Div 3
« on: April 10, 2019, 08:37:30 AM »
Carlow boys got big bans after incident at the end of the Down match. Are there charges to be brought from incident at the end of the Laois game too or was that just rumours?

The 20 weeks should be doubled for crimes against football in general.

Hopefully includes media, pain in my hole listening to Turlough 'Chip on his shoulder' O'Brien.

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GAA Discussion / Re: GAA Manifesto
« on: April 10, 2019, 08:35:05 AM »
I like the manifesto, put it to the testo.

 ;D

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GAA Discussion / Re: Too many for one Team
« on: April 09, 2019, 12:54:20 PM »
We have this issue in our club. Between U12s and U11s we have 40 players. We have entered 3 teams in football, and 2 teams in hurling (as the hurling will be during summer holidays). Our teams play 13 a side, 13 a side and 11 a side.

All our U12s are on our 'top' team, which means we won't win any championship, but all our u12s get games at an appropriate level for them. We don't, as a rule, put U11s  onto the 'top' team, even through some of our U11s would be better than some u12s. The rationale for this is that we want lads to play with their friends, and we know your average U12 might be your best minor.

The exception to the rule we have, with the individual players in mind, is if a player is completely out of his depth at a certain level, we would talk to his parents and him about going back to a team below, so he can be at a level where he feels he can contribute and not be embarrassed.

Likewise if an U11 is too good for his level, and his development is stunted because he is not challenged, we would suggest moving him up.

Those decisions are never made with a view to winning a championship though. We want to win every game we play, but not at the expense of long term development and player retention.


This approach is not universally liked in the club, as some people feel we should play our strongest team at the top, regardless of age. I'm not sure there's a right answer here, but I'm happy we are trying to do the right thing by our players. I'll be at a meeting tonight where we will be challenged again regarding this approach.

Love this whole post bar the bit about from people challenging this approach, they should FRO.

On the bit highlighted, have you thought about challenging them in different ways e.g. how when playing can they make their team mates better, work on developing their leadership qualities etc

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: April 03, 2019, 03:22:09 PM »
I was unfortunate enough to see the video on Twitter of Leavy's leg being buckled in that ruck. Awful. He'll be doing well to come back from that.

ACL PCL Severe Hamstring tear and tore a bicep tendon in his knee. 15 - 18 months between surgeries and recoveries is the estimate.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 2019
« on: March 27, 2019, 11:12:50 AM »
Division 2 next season

Armagh
Cavan
Roscommon
Kildare
Fermanagh
Laois
Westmeath or Louth
Clare

A lot of Division 2 die hards in that group throw in Meath and you probably have the counties ranked 8 to 16 in no particular order.  All capable of beating each other.  Just missing Down who'd be another Division 2 regular.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Attendances
« on: March 22, 2019, 12:23:59 PM »
I see there's a possibility the NHL Final will be in Croke Park with the D1 NFL Final.

If they want an attendance play it in Limerick, will be a massive crowd great atmosphere. Good enough for an All-Ireland Semi-final. I am sure someone will shout but but but a National Final should be played in Croke Park.

Limerick v Waterford/Galway
Kerry v Mayo/Galway

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GAA Discussion / Re: Retirements
« on: March 21, 2019, 11:42:58 AM »
A real boost for Athy. Still a classy player at club level.

If he was available for Athy in the Kildare SFC final last year it might have made the difference, they only lost by 3 points.

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