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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: December 22, 2017, 01:32:46 AM »
Your one in the UN is fairly giving it both barrels today . . . fair play to her endorsing the oppression of 5 million people.

Go USA!!

The US has been oppressing Palestinians for decades .

The Jereusalem capital thing really changes fcuk all .

It sure changed the lives of those who have died because of a useless, hateful piece of diplomacy. Trump's attempts to bully the UN mimics the sort of shít his mate Putin engages in. The sooner this fool is a footnote in history the better.

Just like the NRA owns most politicians in the US, so too do the Israeli lobby AIPAC.

They have bought and owned practically all those in power in the US, and despite what the world thinks, they back Israel to the hilt.

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: December 22, 2017, 12:58:16 AM »
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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 21, 2017, 06:47:58 PM »
Defying Trump, U.N. General Assembly Condemns U.S. Decree on Jerusalem

UNITED NATIONS — A majority of the world’s nations delivered a stinging rebuke to the United States on Thursday, denouncing its decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and ignoring President Trump’s threats to retaliate by cutting aid to countries voting against it.

In a collective act of defiance toward Washington, the General Assembly voted 128 to 9, with 35 abstentions, to demand that the United States rescind its Dec. 6 declaration on Jerusalem, the contested holy city.

The resolution is nonbinding and therefore largely symbolic, but the lopsided vote indicated the extent to which the Trump administration’s decision to defy a 50-year international consensus on Jerusalem’s status has unsettled world politics and contributed to America’s diplomatic isolation.

Major allies like Britain, France, Germany and Japan all voted for the resolution, though some allies, like Australia and Canada, abstained.

Carrying out a promise to his base of supporters, Mr. Trump’s decision on Jerusalem upended decades of American policy, aggravating an emotional issue that has festered since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, when the Israelis occupied the entire city.

Many Security Council resolutions since then, which have the force of international law, have warned that Jerusalem’s status is unresolved, that claims of sovereignty by Israel are invalid and that the issue must be settled in negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians.

Israel denounced Thursday’s vote, likening it to a 1975 resolution equating Zionism with racism, a decision that was repealed in 1991 after intensive American lobbying. “It’s shameful that this meeting is even taking place,” Israel’s envoy to the United Nations, Danny Danon, told the body.

The American ambassador, Nikki R. Haley, called the vote “null and void,” declaring that “no vote in the United Nations will make any difference” on the decision to move the embassy, which she called “the right thing to do.”

Echoing vows by Mr. Trump to keep score, Ms. Haley said, “The United States will remember this day, in which it was singled out for attack in the General Assembly for the very right of exercising our right as a sovereign nation.”

“We will remember it when we are called upon once again to make the world’s largest contribution to the United Nations,” she said. “And we will remember when so many countries come calling on us, as they so often do, to pay even more and to use our influence for their benefit.”

The United States Mission to the United Nations quickly issued a statement seeking to portray the outcome as a victory because the vote could have been more lopsided. It cited the 35 abstentions, coupled with 21 delegations that were absent, representing a significant chunk of the total membership of 193.

“While the resolution passed, the vote breakdown tells a different story,” the mission said in the statement emailed to journalists. “It’s clear that many countries prioritized their relationship with the United States over an unproductive attempt to isolate us for a decision that was our sovereign right to make.”

But American Jewish organizations that strongly support Israel saw nothing positive about the outcome of the vote. David Harris, the chief executive of the American Jewish Committee, said he was “dismayed by the overwhelming support of U.N. Member States for the General Assembly resolution condemning U.S. recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.”

“Once again, U.N. member states have chosen to succor Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s misguided strategy of internationalizing the conflict instead of pressing him to negotiate directly with Israel,” Mr. Harris said.

Stalwart American allies like France and Britain sought to frame their position as merely reaffirming the Security Council resolutions on Jerusalem dating back to 1967, which are still in force, and to play down the isolation of the United States.

“The resolution adopted today only confirms relevant international law provisions on Jerusalem,” said France’s ambassador, François Delattre. “This vote must not divide or exclude. It is more important than ever to rally the international community around the agreed parameters of the peace process, and this of course includes the United States, as everyone is aware of its particular role and influence on this issue.”

But other diplomats brushed aside what appeared to be a hastily organized pressure campaign by the White House, including last-minute threats by Mr. Trump to cut off aid to countries voting for the resolution.

“History records names, it remembers names — the names of those who stand by what is right and the names of those who speak falsehood,” said Riad Malki, the Palestinian foreign minister. “Today we are seekers of rights and peace.”

He said that the Palestinians “will not be threatened,” and that the United States had insisted on “ignoring the dangerous repercussions of its decision.”

The Israeli government was equally defiant. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, speaking at the dedication of a new hospital in the city of Ashdod, declared before the vote that “Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, whether the U.N. recognizes it or not.”

Aside from Israel, the only countries to side with the United States by voting no were Guatemala, Honduras, Togo, the Marshall Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru and Palau.

The outcome, which many diplomats said privately was a foregone conclusion, deepened Mr. Trump’s isolation over the issue, threatened to alienate Arab allies of the United States and may have further complicated prospects for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The vote also reflected resentment toward threats by Mr. Trump and Ms. Haley that any country supporting the resolution risked a cutoff in aid. The willingness of other countries to ignore or play down such threats suggested that they had concluded that Mr. Trump was making them for domestic political reasons. It is also difficult to see how he could make good on a vow to cut financial assistance to important allies like Egypt, Iraq and Jordan.

Nonetheless, the overwhelming rejection of the American shift of position on Jerusalem, on the world’s biggest diplomatic stage, was a setback for a president who is still looking for a major foreign achievement after nearly a year on the job.

The General Assembly resolution, drafted by Yemen and Turkey, cited numerous past resolutions on Jerusalem and urged nations to “refrain from the establishment of diplomatic missions.” The consensus under international law is that East Jerusalem, occupied by Israel since 1967, should be the future capital of a Palestinian state.

The resolution did not mention the United States by name, but it calls for a “reversal of the negative trends on the ground that are imperiling the two-state solution.”

The General Assembly resolution was introduced a few days after a nearly identical resolution in the 15-member Security Council was vetoed by the United States — the lone no vote — an outcome that stoked Mr. Trump’s anger.

“All of these nations that take our money and then they vote against us at the Security Council or they vote against us, potentially, at the Assembly, they take hundreds of millions of dollars and even billions of dollars and then they vote against us,” Mr. Trump said on Wednesday.

“Well, we’re watching those votes,” he said. “Let them vote against us; we’ll save a lot. We don’t care.”

On Tuesday Ms. Haley sent an email to General Assembly members, urging them to back the United States on the issue and arguing that Mr. Trump’s Jerusalem declaration had not prejudged the outcome of any negotiations.

But she also invoked a threat by Mr. Trump, writing: “The President will be watching this vote carefully and has requested I report back on those countries who voted against us. We will take note of each and every vote on this issue.”

It was not the first time Ms. Haley had used this language at the United Nations. Soon after taking her post in January, she said that the United States would back its allies and expected their backing in return. “For those who don’t have our back,” she added, “we’re taking names.”

General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 15, 2017, 10:10:32 PM »
This was Ibrahim a few years ago when he received his new motobility scooter from an Irish delegation to Gaza

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The delegation brought with them an electric mobility scooter to donate to former deckhand 26-year-old Ibrahim Abu Thuraya. $1000.00 of the $3500.00 raised by Irish Friends of Palestine to purchase the wheelchair was donated by a Kilkenny man, John Kavanagh, after reading a report on Ibrahim’s plight in The Irish Times. Ibrahim had been working on a trawler when it was hit by an Israeli missile in 2008. Eight people onboard were killed while Ibrahim lost both his legs below the hips. He now works cleaning cars on the streets of Gaza.

“When he was given his motorised wheelchair it seemed as if every resident of the refugee camp that Ibrahim calls home came out to see him master the controls of his new machine,” Pat smiles. “By the time we were going home he was whizzing around and visiting places he hadn’t been to in years.”

The four men are in agreement that tighter sanctions on Israel and pressure from the international community are the only ways to force Israel to abide by UN resolutions and genuinely work towards a lasting solution to the conflict. Pat doesn’t mince his words:

“World leaders need to stand up and say very clearly: ‘This is wrong.’

“What is going on in Palestine is absolutely disgraceful, inhuman and for the world to turn a blind eye is criminal.”

General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 15, 2017, 07:48:35 PM »
Not content with blowing his legs off in Cast Lead 9 years ago, today Israel finished Ibrahim off with a bullet to the head.

He was one of 4 Palestinians killed today, and hundreds more were injured.
Their depravity knows no bounds.....

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 13, 2017, 09:02:19 PM »
Update on the above story, and it was not caused by a Drone strike, but rather the men were mishandling explosives,
and a device they were carrying went off on them.

General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 12, 2017, 10:29:22 PM »
2 Palestinians who were travelling on this motorbike earlier today were killed instantly when hit by
an Israeli/US drone strike in Gaza.

Trump has a lot to answer for....... And those who went before him......

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 11, 2017, 11:50:31 PM »
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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 11, 2017, 02:31:58 AM »
This thread has been running for 7 years now, and all the facts presented and debated over the years
shows that the end goal of Zionism is to take over all the land that is what is left of Palestine.

Bit by bit they are building new settlements, bulldozing Palestinian houses, filling jails with all before them,
and this is just in the West Bank. In Gaza, they have unleashed 3 deadly attacks that has killed 4,000, injured
over 20,000 and destroyed thousands of homes and infrastructure.

The place will be unlivable inside a few decades

The siege on Gaza is into its 10th year, and there is a generation who are now growing up having seen 3 attacks
and are still locked up in the worlds biggest prison. It's inhumane.

The single reason Israel gets away with their crimes against humanity is all down to the support they get from the USA.
Just like the NRA, practically every politician at every level throughout the USA is in the pocket of Israel.

Their voting records prove as much when it comes to all things Israel.

In the UN, the USA uses it veto when it comes to calling Israel to order.

There is no two state solution, never was, and never will be. 

It's time to realise that and boycott Israel in any way we can.

There should be no more of this entertaining of Israeli delegations in Ireland by those who proclaim to stand by Palestine.

It took international support to help bring us to where we are today in Ireland, and it's up to us to help
in any way we can to pass on that solidarity to the Palestinians. They need all the help they can get right now.

The women who walked out of Dunnes stores made a difference, so lets follow their example.

General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 11, 2017, 12:26:13 AM »
When it comes to photos been shared on social media showing solidarity with the Palestinians,
nothing comes close to the images from Celtic fans at matches.

That image I shared earlier has been travelling like wildfire across social media all day.

A while back when they flew the flags and got fined, they raised a load of money for 2 good charities
and shamed FIFA

Acts like these are a serious shot in the arm for the Palestinians, and after the week they had, they will love this.

Well done once again to the Celtic fans for their courage and solidarity.

General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 10, 2017, 02:14:02 PM »
Celtic fans today......

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 10, 2017, 09:27:57 AM »
Trump made the decision for his evangelical Base.  They believe in the Rapture which is when Jesus will return and hoover up all the believers into heaven from a site in Jerusalem which has to be under Jewish rule according to Scripture . Jews will not be allowed into heaven. There will be signs of the end of the world such as tornados and flooding which is why Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate accord.  If climate change is dealt with the rapture will be postponed.
God bless America
do u really believe that bullshit

This is a good article regarding the Evangelic angle

And this

General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 09, 2017, 09:10:43 PM »
20 odd thugs in uniform and a 15 year old Palestinian. 

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Humiliating a Palestinian with Downs Syndrome

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A courageous Palestinian child tells the truth to an occupying soldier..

General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 09, 2017, 04:52:23 PM »
Anyone else listen to talkback the other day when Charlie Wolf actually said that the greatest friend of the Palestinian people is Israel. I couldn’t believe what I heard. I Can’t remember anyone challenging him on it either

I nearly crashed when I heard him say that, and I was disappointed that Patrick Corrigan didn't challenge him on it.

I called in at the start and they didn't put me on, and towards the end I called in and complained that they had 2 Israeli
commentators on, along with Charlie Wolf and they didn't have a single Palestinian voice to express a view.

So much for balance with the BBC...

General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 08, 2017, 11:25:04 PM »
No, the dissidents got a good mention.......

He also said that Trump would have no problem sending over a nuke if we didn't sort our problems out......

If you don't have time, go to 2 30....

His views on Jerusalem, Gods people, and Trump are somewhat enlightening.

Fantastic entertainment on a Friday night if you have had a few drinks and need a laugh.....

Got to about 1:30 and had to turn it off. Asking where it leaves the peace process if dissidents attack the border posts - believe it or not Wullie, that's what a lot of the discussion has been about lately, that's sort of the point. How this man rose to prominence (even if it is just in his own land of one sided victims and his FB page) is beyond my understanding.

Ahhh, you have to go to 2 30 for the real entertainment......

Glad I went back to it!  ;D Might be the time to start building the nuclear shelter then. He should also be converting to Judaism if they're his views.

I had a mad yarn with him one day at the weekly flegger protest at City Hall. 

When he started to talk about Palestinian terrorists, I explained with facts that Jewish terror groups killed British troops than Palestinians. 91 dead at the King David Hotel, letter bombs to London, etc......

He was easy wound up and kept saying all Palestinians were terrorists.

I got him good when he said Turkey only send terrorists to Ireland. When I asked him to name one, he stumbled.
So I says, while your stumbling willy, let me tell you about the muslim nation of Turkey sending 5 ships loads of aid to
Ireland during the famine that killed people from all walks of life, and how the British stopped them from docking in Belfast.....

He replied well, they're all terrorists there now, and walked off with his union jack fluttering in the breeze.

The breeze also flowed freely through one ear and out the other such is the absence of a brain in Willys head.....

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