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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 23, 2014, 11:54:59 PM »
http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/who-voted-and-who-didn-t-for-un-investigation-of-potential-war-crimes-in-gaza-20140723

Ireland stood tall with the Palestinians all right. Pathetic decision to abstain. Then again they do what they are told

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 23, 2014, 11:52:33 PM »
What we have seen unfold before our eyes, and continue to see, is genocide, funded and supported by the USA and the EU.

How they can sit back and continue to give Israel their full support is inhumane in the extreme. Jon snow summed it up well on Monday when he said that if this was going on anywhere else in the world, there would be outrage.

The tentacles of Zionism have spread far and wide and it now controls so many politicians and Governments. They are now powerless to act or condemn Israel for what they are at.

I just saw the news and 695 have now been killed, 4,500 injured, 120,000 people now refugees for a 2nd time on their land, and there is no knowning how many homes have been destroyed.

The media, fed by Israel, tell us how many rockets are launched by the various resistance groups in Gaza, but never tell us how many airstrikes and bombs are fired from land sea and air. The other night they were dropping bombs every 5 seconds. They boasted yesterday about dropping 120 one tonne bombs on one town. They killed a child an hour for the past 24 hours.

Fatah and the PA are toothless and the vast majority of Palestinians in the West Bank want rid of them. Also, the vast majority of Palestinians are fully behind the resistance groups in Gaza fighting the 4th largest army in the world. Hamas have never been stronger, and they are putting up some fight along with the others. 29 of the 31 Israelis killed so far have been occupation soldiers, and they have also captured one and he been held somewhere deep underground no doubt. Israel have killed over 80% civilians, and they are the ones with the best equipment the US taxpayer can give them.

When Israel killed the 4 boys on the beach in front of the worlds media, they sent a message to show that they can kill who they want, when they want, where they want, and get away with it all. 24 hours later they cranked things up and we are where we are now. And still no leader has stood up and condemned them as the bodies pile up. shameless.

Hamas have set out their demands for a ceasefire. Lift the siege, allow travel to the west bank, and release the prisoners that were recently arrested. Every Palestinian is behind those demands, and there is nothing unreasonable about them. Hamas held to the ceasefire since 2012, and it was Israel who broke it hundreds of times. They also killed 70 Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza in the past year. And what do people talk about? Rockets, rockets, rockets, and more rockets. Those who slabber on all the time about rockets never back up their claims with any evidence. They just keep on repeating Israeli hasbara.

Israel started this agression. They used the kidnapping of the 3 settlers to ramp up all the hatred and thirst for blood and war. They knew the boys were killed the night they were captured, yet they put a media ban on that fact and spent the next 19 days telling the world that Hamas did it, and they were looking to bring them back alive. They went on a murderous rampage through the West Bank arresting hundreds and raids thousands of homes. They have still to provide one shred of evidence as to who killed the boys. In fact, they are not even mentioned.

Israel picked this fight, and to their surprise, they are getting their fill of it on the ground in Gaza. They are not so brave now when they are on the ground one on one. The Palestinians have said that they either die a fast death now, or surrender and die a slow death. 7 years of a brutal siege, 3 full blown attacks on them that has left over 2,300 dead, 10,000+ injured, and their infastructure destroyed. Plus, they have been abandoned by the western world.

Hamas might not be some peoples cup of tea on here, but to the Palestinians, they are all they have and they are fully behind them. For me, right now they and the various resistance groups have my full support as they fight against the most evil and brutal regime in the world right now.

Israel may have the might, but the Palestinians have right on their side. The occupier never give you your rights, they have to be fought for. Right now that is what the Palestinians are fighting for, and I fully support that fight.

Viva Palestina

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 23, 2014, 10:57:57 PM »
While maintaining support from these same people they're apparently ordering to stand under Israeli bombs?

Good man

Lol-you have no idea who you're dealing with here

My wife's 2 nephews served in Iraq and Afghanistan respectively. They salty with these terrorists first hand. You have no idea as to the depths these monsters will sink

I know. Those 2 monsters and their President had no reason to invade and occupy Iraq or Afghanistan, and sure look at what they got up to. 1 million + dead, and their oil stolen. Lovely lads those 2 nephews

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 23, 2014, 10:54:53 PM »
Rossiewanderer, your argument us so incredibly stupid I'm wondering are you a troll. Let me reverse this. Do you think it is reasonable for IDF to retaliate to aggression from Hamas by targeting civilian areas for shelling (illegal in international law), target hospitals and schools with the net result that 80% of victims are civilian. Is that reasonable? You should be ashamed of yourself.

It doesn t matter what Rossiewander thinks Itchy. And it doesn t matter what I think either.

But the US media and the US president don t seem to see anything unreasonable there. Neither do the British, Irish, French, German, Italian. And they do count. Israel are obviously being given carte blanche to deal with this as they see fit. I suspect they would wipe out gaza with nukes if they could without contaminating themselves. If they did use nukes at least they would know they would remain immune from criticism from the west.

Now that flights into Israel have been cancelled, expect a step up in intensity of the Gaza gig to get the job done and get the show back on the road.

Moysider

I wonder if the FAA decision on flights from the States isn't a warning from Obama to Israel to cop on .
Israel is now reported to be looking for a dignified exit from the mess it chose to start.

Monday - The Hamas rockets are so dangerous we have no choice but to go into Gaza and destroy them and everything which stands in our way.
Tuesday - Those rockets wont do any harm. Keep on flying.

There is no fear of rockets for the hundreds who gather on the hills every day and night to cheer on the slaughter

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 23, 2014, 10:41:08 PM »
Did Hamas not call a 'ceasefire' in 2012 only for the Israelis to ignore??

Good article for you on ceasefire violations

http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/02/06/the-truth-about-cease-fire-violations-between-israel-and-gaza/

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General discussion / Re: Ulster Final show of solidarity with Gaza
« on: July 20, 2014, 08:28:44 PM »
I remember being in Croke Park for an Ulster Final when there was a minute silence for people who died in England.

7/7 attacks in London if I remember correctly?

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 20, 2014, 08:27:20 PM »

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 20, 2014, 08:17:48 PM »
Family members staying together in one room to ensure nobody is left behind if the Israelis shell the building.
The level of hatred Israel has for Gaza is infathomable.

unreal

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

That is the tip of the iceberg. The comments they are coming out with on social media is beyond the pale. They are enjoying this genocide like it was a spot. Maybe that is what this is.....

I am blocking people flat out on my facebook and twitter sites. The vile replies I get to reporting on deaths is way beyond any sense of respect for humanity

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General discussion / Re: Ulster Final show of solidarity with Gaza
« on: July 20, 2014, 05:53:51 PM »
Well done Donegal as they raise the Palestine flag high in Clones at the final whistle.


There'll be trouble about this !!!

The BBC are beside themselves trying to cut away every time the camera picks up the flags on the pitch. 

I have flown my flag at GAA grounds, and will continue to do so !!!

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General discussion / Re: Ulster Final show of solidarity with Gaza
« on: July 20, 2014, 05:41:24 PM »
Well done Donegal as they raise the Palestine flag high in Clones at the final whistle.

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 20, 2014, 05:39:52 PM »
This is another link for a live stream from Gaza:

http://www.aa.com.tr/live1/gaza-live.html

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 20, 2014, 05:35:55 PM »
The Ministry of Health in Gaza reports the following statistics as at 1600 hours on Sunday July 20, 2014.
Deaths: 425 – 112 children, 41 women 18-60 years, 25 persons over 60 years
Injuries: 3,008 – 904 children, 533 women 18-60 years, 119 over 60 years.
ICU: 104 patients

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 20, 2014, 03:00:18 PM »
What does Hamas really want?

Read the list of conditions published in the name of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and judge honestly whether there is one unjust demand among them.

After we’ve said everything there is to say about Hamas: that it’s fundamentalist; that it’s undemocratic; that it’s cruel; that it does not recognize Israel; that it fires on civilians; that it’s hiding ammunition in schools and hospitals; that it did not act to protect the population of Gaza – after all that has been said, and rightly so, we should stop for a moment and listen to Hamas; we may even be permitted to put ourselves in its shoes, perhaps even to appreciate the daring and resilience of this, our bitter enemy, under harsh conditions.

But Israel prefers to shut its ears to the demands of the other side, even when those demands are right and conform to Israel’s own interests in the long run. Israel prefers to strike Hamas without mercy and with no purpose other than revenge. This time it is particularly clear: Israel says it does not want to topple Hamas – even Israel understands that instead it will have Somalia at its gates – but it is also unwilling to listen to Hamas’ demands. Are they all “animals”? Let’s say that’s true. But they are there to stay, even Israel believes that’s the case, so why not listen?

Last week 10 conditions were published in the name of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, for a 10-year cease-fire. We may doubt whether these were in fact the demands of those organizations, but they can serve as a fair basis for an agreement. There is not one unfounded condition among them.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad demand freedom for Gaza. Is there a more understandable and just demand? There is no way to end the current cycle of killing, and not have another round in a few months, without accepting this. No military operation, by air, ground or sea, will bring a solution; only a basic change of attitude toward Gaza can ensure what everyone wants: quiet.

Read the list of demands and judge honestly whether there is one unjust demand among them: withdrawal of Israel Defense Forces troops and allowing farmers to work their land up to the fence; release of all prisoners from the Gilad Shalit swap who have been rearrested; an end to the siege and opening of the crossings; opening of a port and airport under UN management; expansion of the fishing zone; international supervision of the Rafah crossing; an Israeli pledge to a 10-year cease-fire and closure of Gaza’s air space to Israeli aircraft; permits to Gaza residents to visit Jerusalem and pray at the Al-Aqsa mosque; and an Israeli pledge not to interfere in internal Palestinian politics such as the unity government; opening Gaza’s industrial zone.

These conditions are civilian; the means of achieving them are military, violent and criminal. But the (bitter) truth is that when Gaza is not firing rockets at Israel, nobody cares about it. Look at the fate of the Palestinian leader who had had enough of violence. Israel did everything it could to destroy Mahmoud Abbas. The depressing conclusion? Only force works.

The current war is a war of choice, a choice that we had. True, after Hamas started firing rockets, Israel had to respond. But as opposed to what Israeli propaganda tries to sell, the rockets didn’t fall out of the sky from nowhere. Go back a few months: the breakdown of negotiations by Israel; the war on Hamas in the West Bank following the murder of the three yeshiva students, which it is doubtful Hamas planned, including the false arrest of 500 of its activists; stopping payment of salaries to Hamas workers in Gaza and Israeli opposition to the unity government, which might have brought the organization into the political sphere. Anyone who thinks all this would simply be taken in stride must be suffering from arrogance, complacence and blindness.

Terrifying amounts of blood are being spilled in Gaza – and in Israel to a lesser extent. It is being spilled in vain. Hamas is beaten down by Israel and humiliated by Egypt. The only chance for a real solution is exactly the opposite of the way Israel is going. A port in Gaza to export its excellent strawberries? To Israelis this sounds like heresy. Here once again, the preference is for (Palestinian) blood over (Palestinian) strawberries.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.606042

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 20, 2014, 02:29:13 PM »
Watch this now:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66iHMCQls

Read these:  http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/dead-bodies-lie-shujayeh-streets-thousands-palestinians-flee-israeli-bombardments

And this:  http://maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=714682

Live stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jehadels

war is terrible and should be avoided at all costs

This isn't a war, its a GENOCIDE

so whats the solution?

Have Israel held to account and to abide by International law. Plus, the USA, UK, and others need to stop giving them carte blanch support to do whatever they want. Israel is out of control and has been for a long time. They need stopped as they are controlled by monsters.

Thats not unreasonable...so the logical follow up question is .....what standards would you hold Hamas and their surrogates to?

They too need to abide by the same laws. No one is above the law.

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: July 20, 2014, 01:59:03 PM »
Letter from Gaza by a Norwegian doctor

Dearest friends,

The last night was extreme. The "ground invasion" of Gaza resulted in scores and carloads with maimed, torn apart, bleeding, shivering, dying - all sorts of injured Palestinians, all ages, all civilians, all innocent.

The heroes in the ambulances and in all of Gaza's hospitals are working 12-24 hour shifts, grey from fatigue and inhuman workloads (without payment all in Shifa for the last 4 months), they care, triage, try to understand the incomprehensible chaos of bodies, sizes, limbs, walking, not walking, breathing, not breathing, bleeding, not bleeding humans. HUMANS!

Now, once more treated like animals by "the most moral army in the world" (sic!).

My respect for the wounded is endless, in their contained determination in the midst of pain, agony and shock; my admiration for the staff and volunteers is endless, my closeness to the Palestinian "sumud" gives me strength, although in glimpses I just want to scream, hold someone tight, cry, smell the skin and hair of the warm child, covered in blood, protect ourselves in an endless embrace - but we cannot afford that, nor can they.

Ashy grey faces - Oh NO! Not one more load of tens of maimed and bleeding, we still have lakes of blood on the floor in the ER, piles of dripping, blood-soaked bandages to clear out - oh - the cleaners, everywhere, swiftly shovelling the blood and discarded tissues, hair, clothes,cannulas - the leftovers from death - all taken away ... to be prepared again, to be repeated all over. More then 100 cases came to Shifa in the last 24 hrs. Enough for a large well trained hospital with everything, but here - almost nothing: no electricity, water, disposables, drugs, OR-tables, instruments, monitors - all rusted and as if taken from museums of yesterday's hospitals. But they do not complain, these heroes. They get on with it, like warriors, head on, enormously resolute.

And as I write these words to you, alone, on a bed, my tears flow, the warm but useless tears of pain and grief, of anger and fear. This is not happening!

An then, just now, the orchestra of the Israeli war-machine starts its gruesome symphony again, just now: salvos of artillery from the navy boats just down on the shores, the roaring F16, the sickening drones (Arabic 'Zennanis', the hummers), and the cluttering Apaches. So much made in and paid by the US.

Mr. Obama - do you have a heart?

I invite you - spend one night - just one night - with us in Shifa. Disguised as a cleaner, maybe.

I am convinced, 100%, it would change history.

Nobody with a heart AND power could ever walk away from a night in Shifa without being determined to end the slaughter of the Palestinian people.

But the heartless and merciless have done their calculations and planned another "dahyia" onslaught on Gaza.

The rivers of blood will keep running the coming night. I can hear they have tuned their instruments of death.

Please. Do what you can. This, THIS cannot continue.

Mads Gilbert MD PhD

Professor and Clinical Head

Clinic of Emergency Medicine

University Hospital of North Norway

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12920-letter-from-gaza-by-a-norwegian-doctor

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