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GAA Discussion / Re: Gooch Retires
« on: April 06, 2017, 06:59:26 PM »
Look at the finals Kerry won and lost over that period. All close games were lost!

 :D :D
Wind-up of the week.

Well played Colm Cooper - one of the best I've seen.

Don't believe that Gooch hid in big games, however, this statement is pretty close to the truth. Outside of the 2014 final when Durkan handed the game to them Kerry haven't won a close final since the 90s.

... or in other words, Kerry, when they don't win, lose only narrowly.

..........or in other words they lose tight games.

OK. I understand. They'd be a better team if they lost by more.

No they'd be better if they won even one tight final.

OK. I'm getting the hang of it. Winning by a lot is a sign of a bad team.


Love it Hardy, you've totally destroyed that argument.

Yes Hardy, the games they lost were by small margins and that's a testament to how good they were. However, there is a strong argument that whenever they met their biggest rivals (Tyrone 00s and Dublin in the 10s) they invariably lost on the biggest days.

The finals they won since Gooch came on the scene:

2 x Mayo
2  x Cork
1 x Donegal (Durcan mistake being the decisive moment)

Finals they lost:

Tyrone x 2
Dublin x 2
Armagh x1

I think it's fair to say that Tyrone and Kerry were the standout teams from the 00s and Dublin hold that mantle in the '10s and Kerry win record in the biggest occasions was 0%. Of course, their biggest achievement is being consistently in the finals but that's an argument for another day.

And Gooch didn't play against Donegal too in 2014.

It depends what you value, those who rate Gooch so highly obviously rate style over substance.

There's no doubting the skill and talent Cooper had but greatness isn't just about that, to me I'd put more weight in being able to deliver what you are capable of when it matters and when you're really up against it. They really decide the greats and Cooper was superb when the elements were in his favour but regularly disappeared when they turned, a great player is not a slave to the elements, he is a decider of his own destiny.
That sounds like 1 of Enda McNulty's quotes.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Gooch Retires
« on: April 06, 2017, 12:27:39 PM »
All Ireland final record.  Win or lose he was always consistent.

2011 C Cooper 1-3
2009 C Cooper 0-6
2008 C Cooper 1-5
2007 C Cooper 0-6
2006 C Cooper 1-2
2005 C Cooper 0-5
2004 C Cooper 1-5

Didn't he play in 02 and score 1 or 2 points?
And held scoreless against Dublin in 15?

Still a fantastic record, over 5point average across 9 finals, only drops to 4.7-4.8 across 11 if you include club finals
Yeah I think he scored 0-2 in 02.  He was only 19 at the time.  I might be being a bit unfair but I don't think he was quite the same player after the injury in 14.  Still a very good player with his quick brain but just about markable.  Dublin exploited that he couldn't get up and down the pitch like he once could by putting Philly McMahon on him and had McMahon doing full pace sprints up and down the pitch for the whole game until Gooch eventually ran out of steam.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Gooch Retires
« on: April 05, 2017, 09:55:25 PM »
All Ireland final record.  Win or lose he was always consistent.

2011 C Cooper 1-3
2009 C Cooper 0-6
2008 C Cooper 1-5
2007 C Cooper 0-6
2006 C Cooper 1-2
2005 C Cooper 0-5
2004 C Cooper 1-5

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2016
« on: November 14, 2016, 10:24:02 PM »
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that “competitive” teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they “walked” through their championships without challenge which is bull.   

From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster.  The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?   

Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?

Some people may have inferred that but I haven't.

What I have said is that Tyrone have 8 or 9 sides who would be able to hold their own in the Ulster Club Championship, there's not a lot between the top 8 or 9 sides there and while Tyrone may not have a side up there with the likes of Cross/Kilcoo/Slaughtneil/Scotstown they do have plenty of sides who can go into Ulster, win a few games and be competitive against the best teams.

In the other counties mentioned I highly doubt you would have the same. Derry for a long time has been the best club championship in the province but it's now basically a duopoly between Slaughtneil and Ballinderry, all the other sides seem a good distance off these two. Armagh and Down have generally been processions for the past few years for Cross and Kilcoo and we saw the hockeying Maghery got yesterday. Monaghan is an inferior Derry at the minute with an inferior duopoly in Clontibret and Scotstown. Donegal is of a decent standard but a bit like Tyrone doesn't have any super club who will dominate the scene.

On that basis, I would say Tyrone has the strongest club championship in Ulster - I would not use the best team in the county as a marker for the rest - it would be like saying Leinster foobtall is currently the strongest province because Dublin have won 4 of the last 6 AIs.
Your argument doesn't add up.  Coleraine lost the final last year by a point.  The year before Slaughtneil won the county final with a last minute goal that was arguably not over the line and then got to the all ireland final.  I've already shown that Burren are not far off Kilcoo.  There is no evidence at all that the Tyrone championship is stronger than any other county.

My argument does add up, the same clubs come out of those Championships year on year on year. If The Burren were not far off Kilcoo then Kilcoo would not have won 5 titles on the trot and hammering Burren when it matters.
09 Aug 2015 Burren 2.13 v 2.10 Kilcoo (AET)
13 Sep 2015 Burren 1.9 v 2.7 Kilcoo

07Aug 2016 Kilcoo 1.7 v 2.10 Burren
11 Sep 2016 Kilcoo 4.7 v 2.8 Burren

Ok whatever on Burren.  Look up the list of Derry championship finals if you think it's the same teams.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2016
« on: November 14, 2016, 10:06:45 PM »
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that “competitive” teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they “walked” through their championships without challenge which is bull.   

From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster.  The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?   

Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?

Some people may have inferred that but I haven't.

What I have said is that Tyrone have 8 or 9 sides who would be able to hold their own in the Ulster Club Championship, there's not a lot between the top 8 or 9 sides there and while Tyrone may not have a side up there with the likes of Cross/Kilcoo/Slaughtneil/Scotstown they do have plenty of sides who can go into Ulster, win a few games and be competitive against the best teams.

In the other counties mentioned I highly doubt you would have the same. Derry for a long time has been the best club championship in the province but it's now basically a duopoly between Slaughtneil and Ballinderry, all the other sides seem a good distance off these two. Armagh and Down have generally been processions for the past few years for Cross and Kilcoo and we saw the hockeying Maghery got yesterday. Monaghan is an inferior Derry at the minute with an inferior duopoly in Clontibret and Scotstown. Donegal is of a decent standard but a bit like Tyrone doesn't have any super club who will dominate the scene.

On that basis, I would say Tyrone has the strongest club championship in Ulster - I would not use the best team in the county as a marker for the rest - it would be like saying Leinster foobtall is currently the strongest province because Dublin have won 4 of the last 6 AIs.
Your argument doesn't add up.  Coleraine lost the final last year by a point.  The year before Slaughtneil won the county final with a last minute goal that was arguably not over the line and then got to the all ireland final.  I've already shown that Burren are not far off Kilcoo.  There is no evidence at all that the Tyrone championship is stronger than any other county.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2016
« on: November 14, 2016, 09:18:50 PM »
It was clearly inferred that the reason for Tyrone clubs lack of success in ulster was due to the fact their championship was that “competitive” teams were spent the time ulster matches came around; comments that the same faces from Armagh/Derry/Down/Monaghan were always there or thereabouts in Ulster was that they “walked” through their championships without challenge which is bull.   

From reading posts, people are clearing trying to make a point the Tyrone championship is the toughest in Ulster.  The point I was trying to make is that if it that tough, and the winner is that deserving of the title, why do they not compete as well as they should?   

Regarding Maghery, semi-finalists, they have done as well as any Tyrone team in ulster in the past 10 years bar Omagh in 2014, as far as I mind the only Tyrone team to reach a final?
Since 1990 Derry have below winners of Ulster championship

Lavey (2) (1 AI)
Bellaghy (1) (AI finalist)
Dungiven (1)
Ballinderry (2) (1 AI)
The Loup (1)
Slaughtneil (1) (AI finalist)

and below runners up

The Loup
Ballinderry (2)
Bellaghy(3)

Tyrone have had below ulster champion winners

Errigal Ciaran (2)

and below runners up

Errigal Ciaran (1)
Omagh (1)

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2016
« on: November 14, 2016, 08:49:57 PM »
Burren have beaten Kilcoo in last 2 years in championship then got knocked out narrowly by Kilcoo when Kilcoo qualified through back door.

Kilcoo have won 5 Down titles on the trot.
Yes but there has generally only been a point or 2 between the 2 teams. I.e Burren and Kilcoo. Luck of draw they keep running into each other.

Why can't Burren beat Kilcoo when it matters so. The last time they met in a county final, Kilcoo won by 11 points. Kilcoo are far ahead of anything in Down at the minute, 5 titles on the trot tells you everything you need to know in that regard.
You'll have to ask some Burren ones that.

09 Aug 2015 Burren 2.13 v 2.10 Kilcoo (AET)
13 Sep 2015 Burren 1.9 v 2.7 Kilcoo

07Aug 2016 Kilcoo 1.7 v 2.10 Burren
11 Sep 2016 Kilcoo 4.7 v 2.8 Burren

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2016
« on: November 14, 2016, 08:24:34 PM »
There is no hiding from two titles (one club) since it started in 1968....

Talk of seven different winners last seven years. Brilliant.. what was the reason prior to that? There has been dominat  teams in Tyrone, just more dominant clubs from other countries...

Cavan gaels should have won at least one and so should gave Enniskillen gaels, great teams who with a bounce of the ball lost out...

Because one club says nothing about the quality of a county championship, it just tells you about the quality of that particular team.
7 different winners in 7 years doesn't say much either other than the teams are fairly similar. Take Cross out of Armagh and you could have 7 different winners. There has been 9 different winners of the down junior championship in 10 years. Derry seem to be strongest county given the number of different winners over last 25 years.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2016
« on: November 14, 2016, 08:02:10 PM »
In fact Kilcoo have won their last 5 Down titles by a combined total of 35 points.
Only because they met Burren in earlier round. If those 2 where in final it would be tight.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2016
« on: November 14, 2016, 08:00:50 PM »
Burren have beaten Kilcoo in last 2 years in championship then got knocked out narrowly by Kilcoo when Kilcoo qualified through back door.

Kilcoo have won 5 Down titles on the trot.
Yes but there has generally only been a point or 2 between the 2 teams. I.e Burren and Kilcoo. Luck of draw they keep running into each other.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2016
« on: November 14, 2016, 07:58:15 PM »
Burren have beaten Kilcoo in last 2 years in championship then got knocked out narrowly by Kilcoo when Kilcoo qualified through back door.

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Dublin / Re: Want to attend a game of Gaelic football/hurling > need help
« on: October 23, 2016, 11:09:51 PM »
All the best club players make up the county team. Below is the Dublin panel. If you click on each player you will see the club of the player.

http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football

The Dublin club championship is around the semi final stage and is particularly strong. The winner of the Dublin club championship is usually one of the favourites for the all ireland. Dublin is in Leinster and the leinster final was on 5th December last year so will probably be around the same this year so keep checking that out closer to time. It probably won't be a sellout so you should be able to get tickets. More than likely just pay at gate??

There are no county games in December only club.

Below is a list of winners and runners up and the county of each.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Senior_Club_Football_Championship



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Down / Re: Down Gaa Championship 2016. Prediction Competition
« on: September 09, 2016, 09:35:37 AM »
Sunday 11th Sep 2016
1 30 PM   Castlewellan   ST PAUL'S   vs   TECONNAUGHT   TBC
3 00 PM   Castlewellan   DUNDRUM   vs   DRUMGATH   Shane Lowey


http://www.downgaa.net/competitions/71435/upcoming-fixtures

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General discussion / Re: 11-Plus Proposal
« on: September 08, 2016, 03:51:09 PM »
It has never been as unfair as it is now.  Some schools give test papers every day where as others stick to the rules and only give out 1 or 2 past papers.  It's then up to the parents, the parents with the most money who can afford the best tutors.  Even if you hear about a good tutor they are booked up years in advance.

I happened to be in the kitchen of a house last year and the persons daughter had a tutor in.  I heard the tutor read out a multiple choice question, something like what is 40% of 2000.  The wee girl looked up at the tutor and said 600 and the tutor nodded her head.  800?  Very good, next question...

I felt like saying to the girls mum are you actually paying someone 25 pounds an hour for that.  How does someone qualify to become a tutor if that is the standard of some of the teaching.

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: June 08, 2016, 09:58:55 PM »
Guevara the main problem with McKernan in my eyes is that he has had to move position so many times to try and plug the gaps left by others who are not available for whatever reason.

Kevin McKernan had a great season at chb in 2010 but is barely 6ft so to expect him to win a high percentage of kickouts against the best midfielders in Ireland is unrealistic.  A midfielders first criteria should be that if either team kick the ball long that they will have a decent chance of either catching the ball clean or making sure that that the opposition doesn't and be athletic enough to get up and down the pitch.  Anything else they can do is a bonus.  There is plenty of very successful intercounty midfielders e.g.  Neil Gallagher, Michael Dara Macauley, Eamon Burns .. who I would not describe as great footballers in the purest sense but have performed very important roles for there teams.
 
Similarly in the forward line Down seem to pick players and then put them in positions as opposed to pick a system and then find players for each position within the system.  In 1991 and 1994 Shorty Trainer was one of the best club players in Ireland but Down went with Greg Blaney in chf, they did not try to find a way of having 2 play making 1/2 forwards and sacrifice a ball winner like Peter Withnall or Aidan Farrell to accomodate.


Maybe a few Div 1 players would be better than Div 2 players at this stage.

I think that the perception that all county players should be playing in division 1 and most at the top of division 1 is a problem.  In the 1991 and 1994 1/2 the starting team was outside division 1.  In 1992 Burren lost in an ulster final replay to Lavey but there was 0 Burren players starting for Down between 1992 and 94.  In Fermanagh there is 21 senior clubs, last year Pete McGrath had at least 1 panel member from 20 of those clubs.
 
We need a system in place to firstly identify and then bring potential players through from all over the county and if we have potential players from weaker teams that would benefit from a weights program or some specialised coaching to bring them up to county standard then we should do this.  I like the model Kerry have to find players where they have 4 divisional teams in division 1 made up of the best players from all the other teams, the divisional teams in Kerry cannot be relegated.  It's almost impossible to expect a manager to come in to manage Down and expect them to know every player throughout the whole county, even if they did watch a match how would they know if a potential player stars because they are good or because the player he is marking is sh1te.  If they were corner back on a divisional team and could keep Benny Coulter scoreless then at least you know you have someone that is worth watching a second time.
 
There is a lot of rose tinted glasses about bringing Benny and Dan back, that it will solve all Downs problems but Benny will be 35 next year, it's not like we are 1 player short of winning something like Cork where when they brought Dinny Allen back in 1989.  Good as Benny and Dan where in there prime it was certainly no guarantee of success if we look at the championship defeats Down have had over the years when they were playing.
 
01/08/1999 DOWN 0 - 10 3 - 12 ARMAGH
28/05/2000 DOWN 1 - 7 0 - 13 ANTRIM
09/06/2001 DOWN 2 - 4 1 - 13 ARMAGH
02/06/2002 DOWN 1 - 6 3 - 12 DONEGAL
08/06/2002 DOWN 0 - 14 1 - 16 LONGFORD
13/07/2003 DOWN 4 - 8 1 - 17 TYRONE
20/07/2003 DOWN 1 - 5 0 - 23 TYRONE
26/07/2003 DOWN 2 - 10 3 - 15 DONEGAL
30/05/2004 DOWN 2 - 12 3 - 13 CAVAN
03/07/2004 DOWN 0 - 10 1 - 15 TYRONE
22/05/2005 DOWN 1 - 6 1 - 13 TYRONE
03/07/2005 DOWN 2 - 9 3 - 8 DERRY
04/06/2006 DOWN 1 - 11 1 - 12 DONEGAL
17/06/2006 DOWN 0 - 4 1 - 7 SLIGO
10/06/2007 DOWN 1 - 15 2 - 15 MONAGHAN
07/07/2007 DOWN 0 - 8 1 - 10 MEATH
29/06/2008 DOWN 0 - 11 1 - 12 ARMAGH
02/08/2008 DOWN 0 - 12 2 - 13 WEXFORD
17/05/2009 DOWN 0 - 10 0 - 13 FERMANAGH
18/07/2009 DOWN 0 - 17 1 - 15 WICKLOW
19/09/2010 DOWN 0 - 15 0 - 16 CORK
28/05/2011 DOWN 1 - 10 1 - 15 ARMAGH
23/07/2011 DOWN 0 - 14 2 - 20 CORK
22/07/2012 DOWN 0 - 13 2 - 18 DONEGAL
04/08/2012 DOWN 2 - 9 3 - 18 MAYO
23/06/2013 DOWN 0 - 9 0 - 12 DONEGAL
06/07/2013 DOWN 1 - 5 0 - 13 DERRY
24/05/2014 DOWN 0 - 12 3 - 11 TYRONE
13/07/2014 DOWN 0 - 11 1 - 18 KILDARE
07/06/2015 DOWN 0 - 11 0 - 12 DERRY
27/06/2015 DOWN 2 - 11 2 - 16 WEXFORD
05/06/2016 DOWN 0 - 9 2 - 22 MONAGHAN

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