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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: January 22, 2021, 09:43:27 AM »
Took my Dad in for his first vaccination yesterday.
He got the Astro Zenica one and isn't due to get the second dose till the first week in April, 10 weeks away.

So, if we're being told that the first dose may only offer 30% of immunity based on the figures coming out if Israel and then it takes a further 10 days after the second dose to get the immunity up into the high 90's (this was initially based on the two doses being three weeks apart though) and my Da's circumstances are the norm, then I think we're going to be in lockdowns of one form or another till mid to late April...
The Israel figure of 30% immunity is based on the Pfizer jab not the AstraZeneca one.  The AstraZeneca one was trialled with a longer break so the data is there for a decent immunity level after the first jab.  It appears as if winging it with a bigger gap between the doses on the Pfizer jab is the wrong call.  They did this without any trial data.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: January 20, 2021, 03:52:26 PM »
Definitely some worrying news starting to filter through about the vaccine. An uneven spread of distribution around the world which defeats the purpose of immunisation. A delay in the Astra vaccine in Ireland until mid February at the earliest and probably worst of all is reports from Israel that they believe one dose of the Pfizer vaccine is giving just 33% efficacy. If we are in this for the long haul then surely closing borders, 14 day hotel quarantine and letting us get on with it is the only viable option.

That's not quite true. What they said was if the 2nd dose is given within the 14 days of the 1st dose as recommended then the vaccine is performing as advertised by Pfizer.

People who received the 2nd dose after the 14 day recommended limit (like the UK) see a significant drop off in the perfomance of the vaccine and that's were they are getting the 33% efficacy figure
Doing a bit of reading up on this myself.  It looks as if meddling with when the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine is given will turn out to be a mistake.

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General discussion / Re: Teachers get it handy!
« on: January 20, 2021, 03:06:41 PM »
Itchy is going over the top in some of the things he's said but one of the main points that I agree with him on is the lack of a proactive response from the teacher's unions to see how best things can work in a classroom.  Remote learning is only marginally better than nothing.  The teacher's unions sound like the DUP in basically saying no to everything.  Engage with the Education Authority ( and it's equivalent in the south) and let's see how we can get more children into the schools whilst minimising the risk to the teaching staff.  Everyone involved has had from March to get things organised but from the outside looking in this has played out like a typical public sector/heavily unionised mess.

For a start teachers want PPE. That's one thing. A proper test and trace system which doesn't exist at the moment. A proper definition of close contacts.
Doesn't seem unreasonable. Let the unions go to the Education Authority with a proposal on they see that working in the classroom.  If they are turned down by the EA shout it from the rooftops.  Ask the EA for reasons why they can't facilitate these requests if they can't.

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General discussion / Re: Teachers get it handy!
« on: January 20, 2021, 02:33:51 PM »
Itchy is going over the top in some of the things he's said but one of the main points that I agree with him on is the lack of a proactive response from the teacher's unions to see how best things can work in a classroom.  Remote learning is only marginally better than nothing.  The teacher's unions sound like the DUP in basically saying no to everything.  Engage with the Education Authority ( and it's equivalent in the south) and let's see how we can get more children into the schools whilst minimising the risk to the teaching staff.  Everyone involved has had from March to get things organised but from the outside looking in this has played out like a typical public sector/heavily unionised mess.

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General discussion / Re: Teachers get it handy!
« on: January 20, 2021, 11:11:13 AM »
It is funny as well that the education end of things seem to be down the list of concerns, a lot of people are pissed off that schools are closed because it messes up their babysitting service.
I think this is an unfair comment. I have three teenagers and the value of school for education, social, and mental health is paramount.  The value that is given to teachers both by them and us as parents has increased over the lockdown.  It is far from a simple babysitting service.  My eldest lost out on a university place due to the clusterfuck with exams last summer.  There is a massive value in the service our teachers offer society.  This brings a responsibility though, something that teaching unions need to bear in mind.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: January 19, 2021, 10:41:40 AM »
Until a significant percentage of the population of any country is vaccinated you can't open up as normal. The age of hospital admissions has lowered and covid patients in hospital are no longer just the elderly.

While some posters believe covid is no threat to anyone under 40 the numbers who are currently in hospital would show this clearly isn't the case.

You can't expect any government to make any statement today on what they plan to do in a months time as things can change so quickly. You only have to look at what happened in Ireland over christmas to see that. At the end of the month the government will review things to see where we are and hopefully an easing of restrictions.
I'd say they are hoping that the figures will have come down sufficiently by mid February that schools will be allowed back.  I'd say that will be the only thing they will release at that point.  They'll give that 2/3 weeks to see what effect that will have and maybe look to a further release of low risk measures like outdoor sport.  This will be a very gradual process.  Everyone's hope/expectation is that this is the last lockdown.  If they release this lockdown too quickly the governments run the risk of having to tighten measures again and if that were to happen there'd be uproar.

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General discussion / Re: Holidays
« on: January 18, 2021, 10:47:47 AM »
I find it odd that people are even considering destinations at this point. Right now, you couldnít be any less in control of your summer holidays, if you tried. You might as well through darts at an atlas.
I've rolled a booking that I had with Ryanair and Canvas for a holiday booked for last July to this July coming.  I don't imagine I'm on my own.  I wouldn't have booked a "new" holiday as such.  It's for the south of France and the way that the French have started the vaccination campaign it's looking dodgy.

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They do have a hypothesis of why the half dose is more effective but at the time this was announced there was wasn't enough evidence or data to confirm that hypothesis - hence why further trials are being carried out and more data collected. It's not accurate to say they don't have a f**king clue.
It's all gone quiet regarding the authorisation of the Oxford vaccine. Clearly authorisation will not be rushed through like the Pfizer one for obvious reasons.  Will they be sent back to do further trials on the half dose/full dose regime before authorisation or will they be authorised for the full dose/full dose regime with 62% efficacy?

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Origi stealing a wage there at Anfield.

Why does Klopp not get shot of him?
I presume he earned considerable brownie points during the Champions League semi final and final last year.  The brownie points must be exhausted by now.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: November 23, 2020, 12:16:56 PM »
Oxford vaccine at least 70% effective and likely to be 90% effective in certain dosage combinations. The best plan seems to be a low dose followed by a second slightly higher dose.
This is a really good, as this is already being produced and the logistics are straightforward as it can be kept in the fridge.
Definitely increases the chances of normality before the summer. Is it realistic to think that once the over 75's and vulnerable receive the vaccine in Jan/Feb 2021 there will be no more lockdowns? Social distancing and mask wearing to continue until mass vaccination is finished?

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: November 23, 2020, 12:13:03 PM »
Itís possible that she got a call from Whitehall and told to wise up.
It's almost certain that she got a call from Westminister and was told to catch a grip.

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I see Oxfords tests trials are cheaper and work better with the older ones, only stage 2 I see so a bit to go yet!

Yes, but this a peer reviewed publication resulting from stage 2. These stage 2 results have been around in outline for a couple of months and stage 3 is well under away.

It is all rather encouraging. What excuse are the "live iife" crowd going to use now, they used say that there may never be a vaccine, but it is now very likely that there will be.

Do you reckon the average man will ever see the vaccine?

What could be the 'exit'. Mass vaccination of over 60s to first save on dosage / get the most vulnerable protected once it's cleared then....we return to somewhat normal with Covid 19 being something that is always there (perhaps reducing over time with increased vaccine effectiveness).
I know the term "game changer" has been used a lot over the last couple of weeks but I think if the Oxford vaccine gets the green light it will be absolutely massive for us northerners.  BoJo has backed that horse hard. One source I read predicted that herd immunity in the US will come in July 21 with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines authorised.  If the Oxford vaccine gets authorised it will be April 21.  I'd imagine the effect of the Oxford Vaccine would be even more pronounced in the UK.

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The one where Prof Ugur Sahin, BioNTech co-founder says that its around 35% effective in elderly people, and in which he expects it to be effective in elderly people but at the moment he can't say it is, I know i'd be a fool to myself.
Utter bullshit.  I watched the same interview and nothing of the sort was mentioned.  Just been announced that the Pfizer vaccine is 94% effective in adults aged over 65.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: November 16, 2020, 12:23:39 PM »
On a positive note Moderna have released the interim results on their vaccine and it has shown nearly 95% efficacy.  Hopefully the Oxford/AZ vaccine will follow suit soon.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: November 16, 2020, 12:21:39 PM »
Robin Swan has even said that he is a unionist making the recommendations but the DUP used a cross community tool too block it. How can it be a cross community issue if both sides agree?
I must say Swann comes across as a decent man.  Has he made mistakes?  Of course he has but he appears to be very genuine in everything he does.

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