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Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 27, 2020, 11:13:32 AM »
On a random sidenote I see that Dunamase College in Portlaoise will treble in size over the next few years to over 1000 students with its new school. With its location and future size there is massive potential/opportunity here for Laois GAA to tap into and help revitalise GAA in the town. Obviously the school would have to come onboard with the idea, but if a Portlaoise specific GDA was link up with the school and put the correct structures in place it could be one step in the right direction of revitalising hurling within the town.   

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 24, 2020, 10:48:42 PM »
Had a quick look through plan and it’s all fluff with no substance. A major flaw with any plan is where individual members are not designated to over see tasks. That is the first step to actually bringing about change. Name the individual(s) whose responsibility it is to implement the desired change and have them report back their progress on a regular basis to management/county board. Writing down in strategic plan that the responsibility for completing tasks is that of county board means nothing will be achieved as the onus lies with no one to achieve getting something done or implemented.

Any good organisation would divide work out accordingly. Set realistic targets, and give people responsibility for getting it done. If individuals fail to reach targets or get work done then clearly they shouldn’t be in the roles they are in.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2020
« on: November 24, 2020, 11:39:48 AM »
So just to be clear, it’s money that LCB would have to match that isn’t been drawn down?
Or is there other “free money” also?

It’s money that they could draw down but haven’t,they don’t have to match it.

It baffles me with the huge number of girls and lads leaving college with degrees in sports management and the likes that these positions cannot be filled. Dublin recruit young enthusiastic female and male coaches who will move on after a couple of years but they bring an energy, drive with them for the time that they are in the position.   

GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« on: November 23, 2020, 03:36:17 PM »
The reality is that while the playing numbers have exploded over the last two decades, Dublin is still only scratching the surface of its potential. As one poster rightly pointed out, a number of areas with a population of well in excess of 100,000 are currently being serviced by only one or two clubs while relatively new suburban settlements have no GAA clubs within them. Th Dublin juggernaut has massive room to develop even further still. 

I hate this argument you see GAA officials put out- the other counties need to replicate the Dublin model or they need to do more to develop their underage structures. Even if the likes of Offaly, Westmeath, Laois and Longford were maximising their potential they are still never going to get close to the level of Dublin. For that reason, as long as Dublin is left as a single entity Leinster football will continue along in its current guise.  I can guarantee that if Dublin were as organised as they are now in the 90s and 00s, Meath would never have been competing or winning All-Irelands and Kildare, Westmeath and Laois would not come within a sniff of their Leinster breakthroughs regardless how good their teams were at the time.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2020
« on: November 23, 2020, 12:01:03 PM »
By splitting Dublin into four you'd have some great games to enjoy in Leinster. Could you imagine the rivalry that would build up over a couple of years between a Dublin North side v Dublin South side meeting in Leinster semi-finals, finals. The numbers that are playing GAA in Dublin now are astronomical in comparison to twenty years ago. From looking at the division 1 scene in Dublin every single player playing at that level would easily hold their own at inter-county level. Clubs like Kilmacud, Boden, Ballymun, Na Fianna have subs who would make the starting team of intercounty panels in smaller counties. Dublin is never going to revert back to the GAA landscape it was in 90s/early 00s where the actually GAA playing population wasn't that much ahead of other counties. If Dublin is left as a singular entity they will continue to hoover up 10/10 provincial titles and perhaps 7 to 8 out 10 All-Irelands for the next decade. If traditionalists want to keep the county structure as it currently is that's fine but they then can't then complain of uncompetitive championships. 

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 20, 2020, 10:52:18 AM »
Agree GAA. I would like to see this happen quickly now and get started on the preparation work for next season. I think the result (granted still a loss) against Clare has shown the players that they are on the right track and surely there must be enthusiasm within the camp that they can make even greater inroads next year, especially with a guaranteed five games to look forward to (all going well) in the Leinster championship.

To the posters saying you should stop tinkering with the rules of football you have to remember that football is now being played very differently to what it was. Therefore, rules need to adapt to meet the demands on the modern game. You adapt or you die- personally I would like to an end to players being high fived, praised and rewarded for rugby tackling their opponents to stop goal scoring changes accruing. It's such a simple change to implement and at least trial during the national league for example. We have had some crazy rule changes trialed e.g. number of handpasses in a row, three players on the line for a penalty taken outside the 21. This is a logical rule change to meet an obvious blight on our game. Why not trial it to see if it eradicates this blight. With the competitive nature of the national league and high number of close games we probably won't have to wait too long to see if the rule change is a success or not.     

GAA Discussion / Penalty for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity
« on: November 17, 2020, 01:40:43 PM »
Is it time that the GAA bring in a rule whereby a penalty is awarded (along with a black card), regardless of where the foul takes place, if the referee believes that a clear goal scoring opportunity has been blatantly denied. The Galway v Mayo game another example to add to the ever growing list of these kind of fouls that are ultimately going rewarded. Other sports e.g. hockey have this type of ruling and it works very effectively.

Football has become professional in the nature of how it is played therefore we need appropriate rules to tackle the professional fouling that has entered the game.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 17, 2020, 01:24:30 PM »
Simple task for the county board really- get the feedback of the senior players on the county panel. If they feel that they are making progress under Eddie and want him to stay on for next year then that is what should happen. Ultimately, its about finding a manager that the players are happy with. IMO we have that in Eddie- accept his apology-he never meant for his words to reach the public domain and put Laois hurling first. 

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2020
« on: November 16, 2020, 11:00:44 AM »
Tell me what other Portlaoise players should be starting for Laois Town1980? Ridiculous statement. For years I have been sick of watching Portlaoise players half commiting to playing for Laois or if they don't make starting fifteen get a hump and drop themselves off the panel. Portlaoise representation is an indictment of your current standing in Laois GAA in 2020 and looking at what is coming through in your club it will be a long time before a Laois senior team is backboned by Portlaoise players.

I know Laois got a tanking yesterday but that is the nature of a team like Dublin being so professional in set up in this modern era. Every individual on their team is that bit better than on Laois team. No shame in that. Over the course of 70 minutes it is inevitable that they will keep a scoreline ticking over and ultimately stretch out of sight. Lets be honest, even our golden generation team of 2003-2006 would probably struggle to get within 10 points of that current Dublin team.   

High Fielder is right the GAA has a problem. The sooner the league is switched to the summer and becomes the priority competition for the 20-25 or so counties that will never get in an asses roar of winning an Ireland the better.  Play the league and championship in tandem but at least have a serious competition for counties to compete in come end of the inter-county season. It's farcial to have teams training for and spending a  fortune on a competition that they are canon folder and simply making up the numbers.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 16, 2020, 10:41:39 AM »
Outside managers like Eddie Brennan or Mike Quirke with ambition to manage higher up the food chain in years to come are going to give total commitment to current job as they need to show their capabilities now or they wont be considered for other jobs in the future- which ultimately benefits Laois for the period they stay with them.

In order to compete at senior intercounty level you need a core group of players to be together for minimum of three years totally dedicated to upping their physicality and skill set. That's the sort of buy in required nowadays to get to the level where you can complete properly with the Wexfords, Dublin or Kilkenny in Leinster championship hurling. Unfortunately, the last number of years we have seen a revolving door with a number of hurlers coming in and out of the squad. Ultimately, you cannot make real progress in this situation- where players do return, realistically they cannot reach the requisite peak condition in six months or so to seriously challenge.

For that reason I would like to see Eddie continue on but only if he can commit to another two years. Continue with the squad of players that have been committed since he came in and are truly willing to maximise their efforts to complete in a Leinster championship with the likes of Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin next year with the longer term aim of being in a position to have a right crack at teams come the 2022 Leinster championship (providing we avoid relegation in 2021).     

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 15, 2020, 12:11:09 AM »
When you see that list you realise how much Laois as a county is over achieving at the moment. Only ourselves and Dublin could be classed as predominantly footballing counties who completing at the elite level in hurling. The remaining 8 would all have bigger populations to us and hurling dominated.

Wexford is a great example tonight of why pumping in an extra couple 100,000 grand is not going to dramatically improve fortunes of county team. The best and only way is to strengthen our senior team  is to prioritise the development of our juveniles. Limerick, Clares and Waterford’s successful teams of the last decade were all backboned by younger players filtering through after being successfully managed, coached and developed from u14 right through to u20/21. The sooner we cop onto this and refocus on getting our setanta programmes etc back up and running correctly with renewed rigour and purpose everything else is immaterial. For the last number of years Carlow have been there or there abouts with us at minor and u21. If we were doing things right this shouldn’t be the case.

If I was giving serious money to Laois GAA the last thing I would want to see is for it being thrown into the black hole that is a county senior team-by all means it is important that team is adequately funded and looked after but the real and meaningful investment is to build strong foundations within the county with a coherent and realistic short, medium and long term strategy to improve hurling within the county. As some other poster noted-getting people like Cheddar involved with proper backing and a proper team of Games Development Officers this time around and money ringfenced towards that for the next decade is what is needed.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 14, 2020, 01:15:14 PM »
I think the point regarding Portlaoise is somewhat valid- for Laois to be strong something needs to be done to rectify a situation where one-third of the counties population is facilitated by one club alone who are failing to tap into the majority of young people within the town. The majority of youngsters in Portlaoise play little or no GAA. It's a shambolic situation and one that needs to be looked at quickly.

We should be prioritising getting our underage structures right within the county. We need more competent Gaelic Development coaches and also need more former intercounty players etc. onboard to follow through properly on some very good initiatives that were proposed in the last decade that have scandalously fallen by the wayside or have been implemented half-arsed.

I've posted already but Laois are probably the smallest "proper" duel county in Ireland. To fund this properly is astronomical- for example galway spent 1.8 million on their hurling and football intercounty teams last year. Laois simply don't have this money and never will- (unless we can get JP McManus to adopt us as his second county). What additional money is raised should go getting our underage structures right and ensuring that we have a pool of players coming through year on year who have received the optimum coaching, strength and conditioning and other supports that we can provide them with. Throwing additional money into our senior teams is not the answer if we continue to neglect our underage structures in the manner that we currently do.

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 10, 2020, 12:34:18 PM »
I agree with you Giovanni- maybe the publicity of this might help bring in additional backers/funding for next year. Laois hurlers have been on an upward curve since Eddie came in and there is still plenty of scope for improvement. While our underage teams haven't won too many big games lately we have seen some quality players on those sides. If those young players were to join a senior set up where the right environment and structures were in place you could see Laois stepping up another level and being competitive against top tier sides on a more regular basis over the next decade. Players like Podge Delaney have made great strides since being introduced to the panel-the potential is definitely there.  The Comerford's, James Keyes etc. are lads in their early 20s who are starting to/will break through and the future of Laois hurling could be a bright one if properly supported.


Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
« on: November 10, 2020, 12:18:10 AM »
Unfortunately there was a five minute conversation between Wooly and Eddie after the official interview that was left in Wooly's podcast that went out.

Easy for Eddie to say that Kilkenny put the money into their hurling team when they barely spend more than a couple of hundred euro on their football team. Laois is a small county trying to complete in both hurling and football. When they release the annual expenditure of each county on their intercounty teams, Laois regularly fall somewhere not far outside the top 10 spending counties year on year. That for a county our size is no mean feat, especially when you can't entice financial backers with promises of provincial and all-Ireland success to row in behind. We also have a stadium the envy of most counties and a new centre of excellence that should be commended.

If lads want to take cheap shots off of county board officials that's their own prerogative but it is important to show perspective and some reality. Can things be done better in the county-absolutely. There is no denying or dismissing that. We have seen some good initiatives not followed through or built upon the way they should within the county e.g. underage hurling programme and structural reforms. However, to do these things properly needs huge financial investment. Unfortunately, there is not an bottomless money pit in Laois GAA and those on our county board are doing their best to make what money we do have stretch. Our problem is the same problem faced by the majority of other counties across Ireland.

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