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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: April 02, 2020, 12:56:17 AM »
I suppose talking about Coronavirus was going to get a bit boring eventually   ;D

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: March 29, 2020, 01:07:27 PM »
I have considered making one out of a bottle and moulding the bottle so it has a nice fit and can be washed after each trip. I suppose it would be more effective than having nothing.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: March 28, 2020, 12:05:50 AM »
Any outings to shops we put our clothes  in washing machine as soon as we get in through the door!

This time of year I am wearing a coat and the virus only lasts on fabric for 4 hours, so I don't.

Wife is watching and listening to all the online experts and news

Although 4 hours has been advised and there are ranging times, there's no harm on washing clothes after but as with everything else... Wash your hands after

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: March 27, 2020, 04:51:13 PM »
For those of us that do survive COVID-19 I think we have to take into consideration the damage it does to the lung's long term and how it will effect our ability to fight respiratory illnesses in the future.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: March 27, 2020, 03:53:46 PM »
Too many factors could be responsible for the lack of increases in hospitalisations so far.

Sorry, but I consider that sentence a cop out. There could be something fundamentally different about it in the UK, but there is nothing to support that.

Based on what is known about COVID-19 at the moment:
- GPs sending people home would stop when the people they sent home start dying of pneumonia in significant numbers. Furthermore, post mortems would have been carried out as a matter of urgency given the awareness of COVID-19 in Wuhan at the middle of January.

- Climate will affect spread - but won't really affect severity*. Its the severity coupled to spread that does not make sense in the Oxford model. Furthermore, reduced spread would be contrary to what Oxford are claiming.

- Again, an explosion of cases due to a mass gathering won't affect severity. Perhaps there is a more benign form of it running around parts of the UK, but there is no basis for that based on evidence elsewhere. At the moment that little more than unfounded speculation.


*exceptions for hay fever etc, but we aren't at that stage of the year yet.

If you have ever done research you will know that it is impossible to account for all factors, especially at this time when there's more emphasis on controlling it. It's not as simple as looking at relationships such as the hotter it is the more ice creams are bought.

Genetics, culture, underlying conditions, virus mutation, immunity, age, gender, exposure to the virus, social distancing, travelling, diet, medication, air quality, lifestyle, pregnancy.... These are all factors that are to be considered. Why? Because the virus is new and nothing is known about it. Something as trivial as taking ibuprofen has been implicated in complications of Coronavirus and undoubtedly there will be more.

With regards to GPs sending patients home - this would have happened before the awareness of the virus. Deaths that have occurred before the outbreak could have been contributed to Pneumonia complications as a result of influenza. Dying from the flu most people wouldn't think twice about it, it happens. We won't know if this was in society before the first reported cases it shortly after because it wouldn't be an appropriate use of resources testing dead people. Germany aren't testing dead people for the virus and are instead using them on people who are alive which is probably why they have so few reported deaths considering they have +30k diagnosed. That may change soon.

On another note how many people do you think have died of Flu in the last few weeks? I bet there have been quite a few. I fully support lockdown being implemented because not a lot is known about CV at present and people should be worried yet remain calm. The only thing you can do is what has been suggested.

There have already been two strains of Coronavirus confirmed worldwide. Perhaps we are experiencing the less severe strain. In fact Iceland have identified 40 mutations of the virus and can link them back to their places of origin.

The model Oxford have used isn't rigorous but other models will have their flaws too. It will be interesting to see the results of the study for when the population is tested for antibodies.


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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: March 27, 2020, 02:24:05 PM »
We don't have just 11,600 cases in the UK at present. Nowhere near.

Ach, I know that!

Its the serious cases that also should have ramped up earlier based on Oxford. We can compare across those as they won't have gone undiagnosed.

The ratio of mild to serious is more or less consistent - perhaps even tending toward a lower proportion of cases being serious as a virus tends to mutate to a more benign form.

Too many factors could be responsible for the lack of increases in hospitalisations so far.

Not long ago patients who have Coronavirus would have been sent home by GP's thinking it was just a common cold/flu. Healthcare workers were not aware of any cases. Now that they are aware of Coronavirus and the threat is now real and with more awareness there is more testing.

Just think if 1 person brought Coronavirus to UK undetected but had managed to infect 5/6 people on the flight, it's going to spread rapidly.

Perhaps people in Italy and Spain are more likely to be around people because the weather is warmish and go outside. In Ireland and UK people are more likely to stay indoors and contact with others is minimised. Then you have to factor in cultural differences in how the likes of Italy, Spain and France greet each other, it's more physical than here.

It could be that 500,000 are infected without knowing it from attending football games (I think a study in Iceland has identified 40 different strains of Covid 19 and traced 4 back to football games in England). Elderly people aren't as likely to attend such events and we are probably likely to see them being hospitalised in the coming days.




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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: March 27, 2020, 01:15:41 PM »
That's why I think that oxford research could be closer to being right.

But then why was there not a massive spike in people with respiratory problems in January, and why was February's initial growth so slow? (in both absolute and relative terms)

The evidence to date simply doesn't support the Oxford assumptions.

We don't have just 11,600 cases in the UK at present. Nowhere near.

Even if we based it off 11,600 cases with a average infection rate of 2 to 3 people. That means for every 1 person from the 11k already infected another 2 or 3 people will get it and then the vicious cycle continues with the next person.

Therefore if one person gets it another 3 people will get it. Each of those three people who have got it will the. Spread it to another 3 people. You can see from that example how it can quickly get out of control.

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General discussion / Re: Quizzing
« on: March 27, 2020, 11:29:45 AM »
Fun Trivia seems like a website that can host us all - sign up is required but can at least have a leader board.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: March 27, 2020, 11:08:30 AM »
I would say touching post, door handles of public places, bin handles, petrol pumps, money handling etc are the main sources of contamination, rather than airborne issues as all these things are touched by multiple thousands of people.

Something as simple as going shopping for the groceries gives so many opportunities to pick up the virus it is unbelievable, you need to have a very regimented routine of wiping your hands every single time you touch an item in the shop before you have the chance to touch your face and sanitising each item when you get it home before you put it away or use it.

Not to lead people into a false sense of security but I have found going into supermarkets lately that people just aren't coughing much. Maybe it's because of the stigma that is now attached to it but I for one like it - an open coughi s one of those noises that irritates me because you know somewhere a person has made no attempt to cough into their arm/sleeve even their hands.

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General discussion / Re: Tablet
« on: March 27, 2020, 01:36:25 AM »
Amazon Fire 7 tablet £49.99

This is an entry level tablet but does a decent job. It can do video calling with other Amazon devices and Facebook messenger. However, from experience I find the picture quality during video calls to be too pixelated. The device is user friendly but if the parents aren't very tech savvy they might encounter issues with the device as it isn't primarily for video calling but a basic all rounder.

Facebook Portal £149.00

This is a little steep in price. However you can set up a Facebook account without giving away too many details and use this for the sole purpose of video calling. The added bonus for this is that you can connect it to your parents TV and instead of having to try and cram then together this has a wide lense so you can talk and see them both at the same time while the are on the sofa. It's made easier by the fact that they can put it on at the flick of a button and hear you much easier than through a cheap tablet. If you have brothers and sisters you can have 3+ video calls going at the same time.

Amazon Echo Show/spot £79.99/£119

The devices are fixed into one position. They aren't as portable as a tablet and would likely be uncomfortable to use for prolonged periods. You would need to download the Amazon app on your phone to allow video calls and I think this requires a primary mobile device to connect to (so it has access to an contacts list). I don't think they support WhatsApp but do support Facebook messenger I believe. They are cheap and they are fit for purpose but they could be awkward to use. Google home may be another option for you but it is a fixed station and £120+.

In short

Tablet

Pros: Portable, Cheap, Multifunctional, Use different video calling apps
Cons: Pixelated video calls, sound quality, could have difficulties using, poor camera quality

Facebook Portal

Pros: Easy to use; TV controlled sound; WhatsApp and FB messenger compatible; picture quality; multiple people in video with ease; comfortable to use

Cons: Expensive; Single function I.e. video calling; FB data concerns

Amazon Show/spot/Google Home

Pros: Built for purpose; Multifunctional; Cheap, Google Home can do video calls through DUO app
Cons: Requires Amazon/Duo app on contacts devices: limited apps

Google Home:

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General discussion / Re: Tablet
« on: March 27, 2020, 12:29:19 AM »
Download cyberflix

I guess I should have started a new thread, the original question is 5 years old

Aha apologies.

What would be your budget?

Do your parents have a smart mobile phone for WhatsApp?

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: March 26, 2020, 11:38:52 PM »
One piece of advice we are getting is to avoid the elderly over 70. So on social media we are seeing images of people talking to their parents through the window or standing at the open back door and talking to them who are standing inside the door
Can anyone explain to me why anyone cannot not enter the house, touch absolutely nothing while inside, speak to their elderly parents from a distance of more than 2 metres and leave the house again without touching anything? Surely this is safe or am I missing something?

Heard someone say the living space can keep the virus up to 72 hours, so by speaking or breathing you could potentially spread it around the room.

There’s more experts on that to inform you better

Research suggests If someone coughs or sneezes without covering then the Infected droplets can stay suspended in the air for 3 hours. When we sneeze or cough the droplets travel at 100 mph and reach a distance of 6ft.

Coronavirus can live on cardboard for 24hrs.

Coronavirus can live on plastic/metal etc for 3 days.

Coronavirus can live on fabrics for 4 hours.

Coronavirus can live on skin/hair for 20 minutes.

All of this is at room temperature of course.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: March 26, 2020, 11:31:13 PM »
One piece of advice we are getting is to avoid the elderly over 70. So on social media we are seeing images of people talking to their parents through the window or standing at the open back door and talking to them who are standing inside the door
Can anyone explain to me why anyone cannot not enter the house, touch absolutely nothing while inside, speak to their elderly parents from a distance of more than 2 metres and leave the house again without touching anything? Surely this is safe or am I missing something?

Can still infect others by talking to them. Ever spoke to someone and they spit droplets of saliva over you?

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General discussion / Re: Tablet
« on: March 26, 2020, 11:28:43 PM »
Download cyberflix

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It's going to be weird going to large events again. Sports events, conferences, cinema, theatre, just about everything that we do in proximity to each other. It's going to be hard to get back into it when we're now used to keeping six feet apart from total strangers on the street. The whole world is going to be traumatised by this.

Funny I was thinking about that this morning.

You wonder how all this will end up - will there be a certain date where the governments will say - right, on the 15th of ............, everybody can go back about theiir normal business or will it be a phased in type of thing?

Phased in. The cases will eventually drop but measures will still be required to stop a second wave.

International travel will change forever and it should. New measures will be put in place and short to medium term travelling will be expensive

Working from home will become a new norm... Perhaps not every day of the week but scheduled work from home will be factored in.


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