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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
« on: July 07, 2019, 10:16:20 AM »
I loved that game. It was gripping, had some great football, and was full of pure shithousery of the kind people claim to hate but in reality absolutely love. It was like watching peak late 80s Meath in action. The bitterness and the needle were a joy to behold.

It's not hip to say this sort of thing nowadays, but before the throw in, Aidan O'Shea and Donal Vaughan bullied the Galway midfielders, they asserted their physical dominance over them, and Mayo's performance flowed from that.

Mayo's dominance for most of the match was cornerstoned by that fearsome physical aggression, and they put the wind right up Galway.

It's no coincidence that Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor both broke bones in training. It's obvious Mayo have been training like they played tonight, they're prepared to knock lumps out of anyone and everyone, and more power to them for it, that's what championship football is all about.

Shine on you crazy green and red diamonds.

Kind words sid. You're right. It's kill or be killed in championship football.

Spot on! Proper championship football!

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Last year in the McKenna Cup, because of the handpass rule, the ball was constantly being kicked back to the keeper.  The Armagh Monaghan match was nuts, with one ball after another kicked back to Beggan. 

I don't see that the ball going back to the keeper has been a major issue since then.  In fact, some of the crazy play of goalies can be very entertaining, particularly when they decide that their best role is to be a ball-playing CHB and end up losing the ball in possession. 

 


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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: July 03, 2019, 04:42:32 PM »
If Leitrim hurlers played Kilkenny I dread to think what the score would be. Likewise any of the Christy Ring or Nicky Rackard teams.  The gap between the top tier and the others in hurling is vast. 

Derry (bottom tier in National League and 25th place) ran Tyrone (3rd Place in Division 1) to 6 points in the first round of the Championship. Down, 19th place in the National League ran Mayo (2nd and League Winners) to 4 points in the qualifiers.  Longford (21st) were less competitive v Tyrone (3rd) in the qualifiers, but the margin of victory for Tyrone was only four points. 

Roscommon finished in 25th place in the hurling league.  Can you imagine Roscommon (25th in the hurling league) holding Clare, Wexford or Tipp to four points, even if they did ease up in the last 10 minutes?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: July 03, 2019, 03:12:49 PM »
If only we had someone that worked as a bookie to calculate notional odds of games between tier 1 and tier 2 teams, then they could fill in the chart below.  There used to be a guy called LoneShark on here. If you had a reliable person calculating the odds, you could look at this much more scientifically. 



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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: July 03, 2019, 02:56:40 PM »
If based on Division 2 positions at the start of the seasons, Down and Derry will be in the second tier next year if they don't reach the Ulster Final.  For two teams that gave both Mayo and Tyrone damn good games this year in the Qualifiers and Ulster Championship, can anyone explain to me what this is meant to do for interest in inter-county football in either Down or Derry.  Meanwhile, one of the biggest drubbings of the year so far was handed down to Meath in the Leinster Final and they will certainly be competing in the top tier next year (and the following year also at least). 

Cork meanwhile will play in Division 3 next year, but have a far better chance of reaching a provincial final than Down or Derry do in Ulster, and in most years they will play in Tier 1 regardless of league position.

The reality is that for the last four years we have had one team in the country way ahead of the rest.  That is the only line we can safely draw at the moment.  Yes, the best of the rest are a long way ahead of the worst.  However, the gaps are graduated and there isn't a natural line of demarcation between the bottom of Division 2 and the top of Division 3.  On their day, a team at the relegated from Division 2 (Cork) will have a damn good chance of beating a team at the bottom of Division 1 (Cavan).  A team in the middle of Division 3 (Longford) will stand a good chance of beating a Division 2 team (Kildare). 

The whole concept is a pile of crap and the more I hear from John Horan the less confidence I have in him.  A bullshitter!!

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo v Armagh- Round 3 Qualifier
« on: July 01, 2019, 05:19:17 PM »

The goalkeeping situation needs addressing before Christmas.  There are surely better options. 

There is definite progress with that Armagh side. We are still forward heavy.  Midfield area has strengthened though with JOB, Grimley, Sheridan and O O'Neill. My concern would be with the half back line.  It's an area that i do not feel we are getting enough out of.



On the question of the goalkeeper, we need to be careful what we wish for. The article below sums up exactly what has happened since Hearty's retirement.  Hughes was fantastic in his first year but a few wobbles later and we all have short memories.  There was no silver bullet to the one point loss on Saturday. Some of our best performers kicked bad wides, we gave away some soft frees, indiscipline caused some to be moved into score-able areas and the referee done us no favours.   Yes, Hughes could have done better on both goals and on kickouts, but presumably if there was a better keeper out there they would be in the fold.  Others like O'Neill and Shields, made some terrible decisions but I don't see so much focus on them. I hope we don't end up doing to Blaine Hughes, what was done to McEvoy. 

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/armagh-closing-in-on-a-solution-to-goalkeeping-riddle-35999066.html

I think we look back at Hearty with rose tinted glasses. He made his fair share of blunders, remember against Donegal in Ballybofey when he was easily knocked and he dropped it into the net as an example. Remember how often he could kick it out over the sideline. It was no golden age.

Indeed, I also remember a few moments of madness - I think in Omagh in the qualifiers in 2011 there was at least one howler where he got caught in possession.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo v Armagh- Round 3 Qualifier
« on: July 01, 2019, 04:00:27 PM »
After the game I didnt give out about the ref and during the match i dont think i lambasted too many of his decisions.  Yeah he did things i didnt agree with but in the main we did some silly things that were ultimately our downfall (eg Shields getting the COC free moved up when he clearly didnt believe the first location was scorable).

The goalkeeping situation needs addressing before Christmas.  There are surely better options. 

There is definite progress with that Armagh side. We are still forward heavy.  Midfield area has strengthened though with JOB, Grimley, Sheridan and O O'Neill. My concern would be with the half back line.  It's an area that i do not feel we are getting enough out of.

Well impressed by Paul Hughes on Saturday night.

On the question of the goalkeeper, we need to be careful what we wish for. The article below sums up exactly what has happened since Hearty's retirement.  Hughes was fantastic in his first year but a few wobbles later and we all have short memories.  There was no silver bullet to the one point loss on Saturday. Some of our best performers kicked bad wides, we gave away some soft frees, indiscipline caused some to be moved into score-able areas and the referee done us no favours.   Yes, Hughes could have done better on both goals and on kickouts, but presumably if there was a better keeper out there they would be in the fold.  Others like O'Neill and Shields, made some terrible decisions but I don't see so much focus on them. I hope we don't end up doing to Blaine Hughes, what was done to McEvoy. 

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/armagh-closing-in-on-a-solution-to-goalkeeping-riddle-35999066.html

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: July 01, 2019, 11:20:40 AM »
The likely super 8 groups after that round 4 draw.

Donegal
Kerry
Mayo
Meath

Dublin
Tyrone
Roscommon
Cork

Likely All Ireland semi finals

Donegal v Tyrone
Mayo v Dublin
I recall a lot of chaps and pundits predicting a Galway v Mayowestros Conbacht Final ;D

I do love a good underdog story and Roscommon beating Tyrone in round 1 would be memorable one.
Even on the outside chance that Roscommon beat Tyrone in Round 1, I still wouldn't fancy them to qualify.

Dublin will pummel Cork and Roscommon and will go to Omagh miles out in front on scoring difference and guaranteed qualification.

Tyrone would probably eke out a narrow win against a weakened Dublin team and beat Roscommon on scoring difference in a three way tie on four points.

Why would Dublin send a weakened team to Omagh, when they could knock out one of their closest rivals for Sam.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo v Armagh- Round 3 Qualifier
« on: July 01, 2019, 11:05:46 AM »
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when  he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)

What I find interesting about this game is the number of neutrals (on here and elsewhere), columnists and pundits who have mentioned how hard he was on Armagh.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: July 01, 2019, 11:00:09 AM »
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

This year's FA cup semi final featured Wolves, Watford and Brighton!

There's nothing you can do to stop smaller teams in a cup stoke competition. It's just the luck of the draw, doesn't mean the system is flawed.

The only way to overcome it is to have a league, which would involve a huge amount of dead rubbers.

The FA Cup is a sideshow - not the primary competition.

The Championship is the primary competition in the GAA and it makes no sense to have teams fluking their way to quarter finals as a result of a handy draw. If Laois make the qualifiers, they will have beaten three teams that will be playing Division 3 football next year.   Mayo have two division 1 teams in a row plus a Division 3 team in the qualifiers.  Had Armagh been in the draw instead of Mayo, that would have been three Division 1 teams in a row in the qualifier draw.

Stronger teams are knocking each other out and as a result we have one Division 3 team (next year's league) who will make the Super 8s.  We will definitely have 1 Division 2 team in the Super 8s.  Let's see how they get on against Dublin. 

I'm not for one sided games and if they have to happen, let's have them in the early rounds of the championship and not in the shop window.

Who? If you're referring to Cork, then you are making a presumption they will beat Laois. Or else you didn't realise Laois are a division 2 team (next year's league!)

Fair enough, but you get the point. And I wouldn't begrudge any county getting a run in the Championship; if you got to the QF, you wouldn't know what is possible in a one-off game.  Look at Fermanagh in 2004, who then went on to draw with Mayo in their only ever AISF.  Armagh, effectively a Division 3 team in 2014 gave Donegal a great game in an AIQF.  To me, that is fantastic, but serious underdogs winning is the exception and in the last 10 years it has become even less likely (would love to see some stats on this).  But sending teams into the Super 8s to get one hammering after another is a form of cruelty. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: July 01, 2019, 10:34:21 AM »
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

This year's FA cup semi final featured Wolves, Watford and Brighton!

There's nothing you can do to stop smaller teams in a cup stoke competition. It's just the luck of the draw, doesn't mean the system is flawed.

The only way to overcome it is to have a league, which would involve a huge amount of dead rubbers.

The FA Cup is a sideshow - not the primary competition.

The Championship is the primary competition in the GAA and it makes no sense to have teams fluking their way to quarter finals as a result of a handy draw. If Laois make the qualifiers, they will have beaten three teams that will be playing Division 3 football next year.   Mayo have two division 1 teams in a row plus a Division 3 team in the qualifiers.  Had Armagh been in the draw instead of Mayo, that would have been three Division 1 teams in a row in the qualifier draw.

Stronger teams are knocking each other out and as a result we have one Division 3 team (next year's league) who will make the Super 8s.  We will definitely have 1 Division 2 team in the Super 8s.  Let's see how they get on against Dublin. 

I'm not for one sided games and if they have to happen, let's have them in the early rounds of the championship and not in the shop window. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: July 01, 2019, 10:21:40 AM »
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

Spot on!! Posted this a few weeks back.  Pretty appropriate now given this draw! However, it seems a bit much to ask of the GAA for fair play these days given that they don't think the obscene funding of Dublin is an issue. 

The Championship has been like this since day dot.  Weaker teams have been dumped out routinely by stronger teams.  The quality and competitiveness should improve as the competition progresses.  Unseeded players don't win often in the first round of Wimbledon (some don't even win a game or a set) against the best players.  However, you do get the odd upset and that's what the underdogs live for. 

I would make several changes though to the existing system. Firstly, I would seed the teams based on league performance both in the provincial championship and the qualifiers.  We shouldn't really have a situation where weaker teams (like London in 2013) reach the provincial final due to being on the easy side of the draw, while Roscommon, Mayo and Galway knock eachother out. Same for the qualifiers; it is wrong to have two All-Ireland contenders knocked out in the first round and finding themselves pitted against each other in the first round of the qualifiers, while say Wicklow progresses because they beat London.

In Leinster for example, there shouldn't be an open draw (I know it's not open at the moment, but can see no sense in putting Meath in the preliminary round).  The four highest ranked teams in the league shouldn't enter the competition until the QF stage.  The other six teams can play-off for the right to get through - again the Leinster preliminary round should be seeded with the Top 4 ranked teams in the league playing the bottom four ranked teams (top playing bottom, second playing second last, third playing 3rd last). That would at least mean that the teams coming into to play in quarter finals would at least be there on some kind of merit. 

Secondly, I would change the qualifier system to ensure that the point at which you enter the qualifiers is based not on the stage you reach in your provincial championship, but based on the number of games you have won in your province.

Teams that lose their first game should go into the 1st round of the qualifiers.   
Teams that win one game and lose one game in their province, should go into the 2nd round of the qualifiers.
Teams that win two games and lose one game should go into the 3rd round of the qualifiers

This would mean that Cork, who are now in a Munster Final, by virtue of hammering Limerick, should join the second round of the qualifiers if they lose to Kerry. This would reward a team like Limerick who if they made a Munster Final this year would have done so by beating Tipp and Cork.



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GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: June 24, 2019, 12:29:32 PM »
Very tough draw for Armagh, but couple of things:

Great win over Monaghan: Positives; keeper in better form, better kickouts and managed high ball reasonably well.  Marked their key men very tightly and isolated the man in possession and turned over the ball very well on a couple of occasions.  Some very strong hits going in, particularly after the second goal, when there was a danger of us inviting Monaghan back into the game.  Excellent direct attacking play; kick passing into space and fwds making good runs and giving options - we were patient when needed.  We hit very few wides, generally took the right option and took our goal chances well. 

Negatives: Monaghan didn't look that hungry for it and a bit clueless. They kicked 2 or 3 garryowens at various stages; forwards didn't look confident to shoot and passing responsibility.  They really seem to have lost their mojo, which is a pity, because they are a team that I admire a lot.

Injuries are a concern, but maybe an opportunity for Oisin O'Neill to come in. All the great teams have a couple of sets of brothers playing together. 

Qualifier draw: Glad we avoided Tyrone - If we are going to get a lesson from a division 1 side, then I'd prefer it wasn't Tyrone. Offaly probably the easiest draw but beyond that, none of the games are that straightforward, particularly if away from home.  Laois are always hateful opponents, Westmeath hitting a bit of form and Clare should have had us beaten last year if their goalie hadn't got injured.

But there is nothing to lose in the Mayo match: If we click, like we did against Monaghan and perform for the full 70 minutes, we can give them a game and nothing to fear. Some great battles potentially. O'Se v Burns; Clarke v Higgins? 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: June 20, 2019, 02:36:57 PM »
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.

A bit of manners would go long way. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they have limited mental capacity.  Comments like that speak volumes. 

If it was a second tier game, they could push all they like, but can't imagine them selling 2.5k tickets for the visit of Sligo in the equivalent of the Nicky Rackard Cup.  They would be lucky to get 200. At least in this game they have the chance of taking Kildare's scalp and there are plenty that see an upset on the cards.

Wonder if you'd be making the same argument if Tyrone were in Division 3.  Wonder what you would be saying if Tyrone, Kildare or Mayo were to be beaten by Division 3 opposition on Saturday. Not out of the question that one of those results will go the way of the underdog. Now that I've mentioned it, it probably won't happen - but Derry, Down, Mayo and Monaghan have all been beaten by Longford in the past. Your big idea would rob us of the opportunity of a result like that happening again; which is great for Longford supporters and enlivens the qualifers. 

I'd wager that for supporters, those wins are worth far more than beating Wexford, Limerick and Carlow to lift the Jim Joe McGillicuddy Shield. 

There are a couple of Longfordians on here.  Would love their views. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cavan v Donegal Ulster Final
« on: June 20, 2019, 01:25:51 PM »
I can see Cavan giving Donegal a hell of a run for their money here.  Having beaten Tyrone they've perhaps already played their Ulster Final and Cavan are building momentum.  Every game so far will have brought them on and lifted their belief.  Cavan played this year in Division 1 and Donegal in Division 2 and that should stand to them also. Graham also seems to have a touch of an x-factor about him and the more time he has with Cavan this year, the more they'll keep improving.  Maybe a draw?

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