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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling

« on: October 18, 2019, 10:10:40 AM »

There is only short term security in professional sports in terms of managers and coaches. At some stage , the management team is sacked and new people take over.Thats why they get paid so well.
GAA is going the same way. New manager leads to new backroom members. You have to make your mark and charge accordingly. Even in club football the gravy train keeps moving on.
What would the career span be for coaches /s &c coaches ? 10 - 15 years ?

Donnelly's role was secure enough, he was a full time registered employee of Tyrone GAA with a remit covering all the S&C needs of Tyrone underage squads up to senior. He's very highly rated which probably explains why a professional setup came and headhunted him for their gig. I don't know how many other counties employ somebody like Donnelly, Dublin probably do and a few others but I think Tyrone were ahead of the curve. In terms of fitness, conditioning and our injury record record then I think the results speak extremely positively for Donnelly but the package on offer from a professional outlet is likely one we can't come close to offering.

Personally i would want noting to do with the shower that is Ulster rugby but i understand why he did, professional set up blah blah.. My issue is that it seems he was just let go. If Leinster rugby come looking a Dublin S&C coach I don't think they would get him at all and if they did they would not get him as easy.

Go on....?

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling

« on: October 17, 2019, 02:30:43 PM »

No matter who we have, stupid letting Donnelly go to Monaghan

Nobody let him do anything. He left Tyrone to go to Ulster Rugby. No issues - great opportunity. Donnelly has then decided he would go and help a rival county on top of his 'day' role. Discussed it all along with Banty who was in for Monaghan job for weeks prior.

Lets stop this thinking that Donnelly was hard done by, he's a big boy, he decided to go to Monaghan through the back door. He's a mercenary and always has been.

He's a mercenary because he wants to get a mortgage? I heard from a good source that he had been turned down several times for a mortgage because of the nature of the way tyrone employed him ie he had a contract renewed each year. With Ulster rugby he has security in his employment. If you call that being a mercenary then you're an idiot.

Can't really say any other way than the two times that I did that going to Ulster Rugby is/was no issue. I don't think anyone has an issue with that. Ulster Rugby has absolutely no bearing on what we are discussing here.

What I'm saying is, he's not working for Monaghan for free.....he also didn't take too long in accepting the post with Monaghan. Hiring your service out for money is the definition of a mercenary so I don't think we should be trying in some way to paint Donnelly as a poor soul on the breadline. He had no bother moving on, neither should Tyrone. I think people are trying to use this as some sort of stick to beat TCB with....I don't see it that way at all.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:

« on: October 17, 2019, 12:57:34 PM »

So whats the likely line up for Sunday then.

DeGea out, Pogba out and AWB a doubt, Martial not match fit.

Romero
Young
Maguire
Lindelof
Dalot
McTominay
Matic
Pereira
James
Rashford
Linegard

Not much left after this really?

That side gets slaughtered by Liverpool. Solskjear will be under immense pressure come Monday morning if so.

Why is OGS going to be under pressure? He can't sign players between now and the weekend. Utd have very bad players so they're going to have really bad performances. OGS can do absolutely nothing about it.

Jose Mourinho was given the chop after a defeat to Liverpool. I see no reason why Solskjear shouldn't be under the same pressure if it happens. How can you say he can do nothing about it? I think I heard on radio (open to correction)....should things go against United this weekend, they could be in the relegation zone. If true, how can he be under anything but immense pressure - particularly if Tottenham get a win and the attention shifts back.

You can't keep saying we need new players to answer Manchester United's problems. A coach should have Plan B.....etc. Mourinho Plan B by and large was to try and get a goal in first ten catching opponents sleeping and shithouse the rest of the game which was successful at various points in his career. I'm not advocating Mourinho, to say that it's not the manager fault though seems a very large cop out.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling

« on: October 17, 2019, 12:36:16 PM »

No matter who we have, stupid letting Donnelly go to Monaghan

Nobody let him do anything. He left Tyrone to go to Ulster Rugby. No issues - great opportunity. Donnelly has then decided he would go and help a rival county on top of his 'day' role. Discussed it all along with Banty who was in for Monaghan job for weeks prior.

Lets stop this thinking that Donnelly was hard done by, he's a big boy, he decided to go to Monaghan through the back door. He's a mercenary and always has been.

Donnelly wanted to keep the Tyrone senior job but was refused by harte and county board. How is he a mercenary? That's his career not a job on the side.

That's a guess. We don't know what exactly was offered / said. You can only go on what we know. He went to Ulster to some fanfare and sadness. Did Tyrone make him an offer to stay? I'm sure they did, Harte himself said it was a massive opportunity in professional sports which it is and good luck to him.

Then signs up with Monaghan a week later.

It stinks to me, so I wouldn't be painting Donnelly as someone who's got a raw deal or was forced out here. At the end of the day Monaghan are a serious team and a threat to Tyrone. He knew exactly what he was doing when he signed up.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling

« on: October 17, 2019, 11:29:19 AM »

No matter who we have, stupid letting Donnelly go to Monaghan

Nobody let him do anything. He left Tyrone to go to Ulster Rugby. No issues - great opportunity. Donnelly has then decided he would go and help a rival county on top of his 'day' role. Discussed it all along with Banty who was in for Monaghan job for weeks prior.

Lets stop this thinking that Donnelly was hard done by, he's a big boy, he decided to go to Monaghan through the back door. He's a mercenary and always has been.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.

« on: October 17, 2019, 11:15:47 AM »

It's a deal.

Am I mistaken in thinking the DUP 10 votes are probably irrelevant since the overwhelming amount of UK MPs wanted a deal?

Depending on the make up and text obviously, but shouldn't it get through if vaguely acceptable?

From what I've read, the right wing of the Tories won't accept a deal unless the DUP are happy with it. So they have more power than their 10 seats would suggest.

Yeah as far as I know there are tory and maybe even some labour brexiteers who will align to whatever the DUP want.

Perhaps the Labour crossover support can neutralise that?

Suppose the real politics only starts now.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.

« on: October 17, 2019, 11:05:07 AM »

It's a deal.

Am I mistaken in thinking the DUP 10 votes are probably irrelevant since the overwhelming amount of UK MPs wanted a deal?

Depending on the make up and text obviously, but shouldn't it get through if vaguely acceptable?

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling

« on: October 17, 2019, 11:00:00 AM »

Interesting that quotes from Mickey Harte about the new S&C appointment say that essentially he is answerable to the medical team...which is headed up by...….Michael Harte.

I think that is true of every S+C coach if we are being honest. S+C is essentially injury prevention.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:

« on: October 17, 2019, 10:12:12 AM »

So whats the likely line up for Sunday then.

DeGea out, Pogba out and AWB a doubt, Martial not match fit.

Romero
Young
Maguire
Lindelof
Dalot
McTominay
Matic
Pereira
James
Rashford
Linegard

Not much left after this really?

That side gets slaughtered by Liverpool. Solskjear will be under immense pressure come Monday morning if so.

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread

« on: October 17, 2019, 10:02:21 AM »

All-blacks got too much out wide, it be tight for 60mins but all-blacks pull away to win  by 10+ points. They are odds on to do 3 in a row but not a inch on their last team in 2015 which was probably Rugby greatest ever team.

Some serious men in that squad that aren't there now. New Zealand just keep churning them out....although they are considered more fallible now I suppose.

Don't see Ireland winning if I'm perfectly honest, the form hasn't been great. Stockdale could crap on his foot, chip it over a defence line and it would fall for him in shape of a lovely clean rugby ball a year ago - just not happened for him in this RWC so far. Too much pressure on Sexton and physically, looking at the teams this morning I don't think Ireland can go at NZ like prior, not to mention we have very few players in form right now that could lead the team around.

But....it's a one off game, every bit of pressure will be on New Zealand. We know some of the refs calls can change a game drastically.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

« on: October 15, 2019, 03:47:02 PM »

Yip there was an email on Sunday night to say they refunding everyone. Be interesting to find out how many actually bought it. Bit of a hit on the coffers as the production company will still need paid and they have said it wasn’t their fault.

serious financial hit alright considering the crowd at the game was down at least a couple of thousand. Would there have been 2 thousand subscribers at 8 quid?

By the talk of them before game (which worked perfect for me) they were saying there was major numbers involved. There was 6k at the game, I would imagine there would have been just as many (worldwide) subscribed for the online coverage.

Would the general hit to the county boards pocket not be the same if it was 2k or 6k??? Setting aside a some small bank/paypal fees the cost will be the same as they got 8quid in and are giving 8 quid back?

Not too sure of how it runs but I'm sure Tyrone TV has employees to pay/equipment hire (assuming they don't own everything for sake of maybe 10 days a year) / remote technical staff maybe involved / Media Costs...I'm sure big Joe needs paid ?

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

« on: October 15, 2019, 02:09:57 PM »

Yip there was an email on Sunday night to say they refunding everyone. Be interesting to find out how many actually bought it. Bit of a hit on the coffers as the production company will still need paid and they have said it wasn’t their fault.

serious financial hit alright considering the crowd at the game was down at least a couple of thousand. Would there have been 2 thousand subscribers at 8 quid?

By the talk of them before game (which worked perfect for me) they were saying there was major numbers involved. There was 6k at the game, I would imagine there would have been just as many (worldwide) subscribed for the online coverage.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

« on: October 15, 2019, 02:08:48 PM »

It wont be a popular view but if it was up to me it should cost more to watch the game on the internet not less. Our club championships are special and we should be encouraging as many people as possible to come and watch them. The players deserve to play in front of big crowds. There is no doubt Sundays attendance was down as a result of the game being on the internet and it will be a trend going forward. Our games are heavily attended by neutrals but if they can watch from home for a cheaper price and less hassle there is no doubt many will take up that option.

I know there will be people who genuinely cant make the game but at least coverage at a charge is better than the offering in the past.

Agree with certain sentiments. However it's dangerously close to punishing OAP/Handicapped members of society. That's what springs to my mind first. I think you mean normal run of the mill 18-40 year olds who have their own transport and have no reason not to attend though?

Internet coverage must be a god send for those with families.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

« on: October 15, 2019, 11:36:59 AM »

Never seen more yapping about £8 in my life, holy ghost if yous were that interested you could've went to the game maybe?? Anyway, yous missed f*ck all, it was bad showing from overrated Errigal

It's bringing up the "grab all association" mob. People seem to assume that
1) Everything GAA-related should be free or its against the ethos of the association.
2) Tyrone GAA deliberately mucked up the service after getting the £8 off people.

I had no issue paying the £8 yesterday or the £7 for the two finals last week. I would assume the majority are in the same boat. The fact that it didn’t work was the issue. Therefore it’s only right people were refunded. I don’t think there’s any wrong with expecting a refund in that situation.

Just got an email to say I was being refunded there....I hadn't raised dispute or anything in paypal so they are doing it anyway.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

« on: October 15, 2019, 10:39:31 AM »

Another point, we always enter it. Division one or two, why are clubs not forced to enter a team in such an important age group

I agree u21 is an important age group, for me even more important than minor. But simple fact is some clubs just do not have the numbers. Especially those clubs with an already small pick. The bigger division one clubs, Clonoe, Errigal, Dromore, Coalisland etc will have no problem but for majority of others you are lucky if you could pull 15 out to play considering they could be away at Uni/Work/Senior Priority etc