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GAA Discussion / Re: Time take Dublin out of Croke Park?
« on: Today at 10:12:00 AM »
Time to take Monaghan out of Clones?
That's Monaghan who don't just play provincial championship games in neutral and sometimes even, whisper it, away venues, but don't even play all their league fixtures at the county ground. Yeah that's comparable to the Dubs behemoth alright.

Have one semi in Croke Park and the other in Limerick, that'll be fair enough I'd have thought.

No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Apart from Roscommon coming quite close to toppling Kerry in 1980 and Galway being good enough to win an AI but contriving to lose to 12 men in 1983. And Mayo going close in 89 too. Roscommon and Galway both won leagues in that late 70's/early 80's period too.

And if a few balls had bounced differently Limerick could have won 2/3 Munster titles in the last decade, and Tipp another, but sure the winners write the history  ::)

Did anyone really believe that the decision would go Sligos way.
Connacht Council looking after the same county as it somehow always does.

GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: June 21, 2019, 04:39:01 PM »
Exactly. June is when the Championship starts. Once the ground hardens the thoroughbreds come to the fore.
I thought it began in mid July with the super-dooper eight thingy?

GAA Discussion / Re: This weekends predictions
« on: June 21, 2019, 12:17:46 PM »
Antrim V Kildare- Kildare by 7
Derry v Laois- Laois by 3
Longford v Tyrone- Tyrone by 6
Leitrim v Clare- Clare by 2
Westmeath v Limerick- Westmeath by 10
Down v Mayo- Mayo by 3
Monaghan v Armagh- Monaghan by 2
Offaly v Sligo- Offaly by 5

Donegal v Cavan - Donegal by 2
Dublin v Meath - Dublin by 13
Kerry v Cork - Kerry by 9

GAA Discussion / Re: Offaly v Sligo
« on: June 21, 2019, 11:56:14 AM »
A fine summation there sligoman.

The decline in the standard of club football in the county is undoubtedly a major part in the decline of the county's fortunes at senior level. In the noughties it wasn't just Curry, Harps and Tourlestrane, there was a decent supporting cast of teams that could keep them honest and some occasionally got success of their own, the likes of Coolera, Mary's, John's, Easkey, Bunninadden, Ballymote, Castleconnor etc. It made for a decent senior grade at least, even if the lower grades weren't hectic. Now it's rather like the intercounty scene - one team clear out in front with 2/3 teams striving to keep with them, and the rest well back. No team retained the county title for nearly thirty years until Tourlestrane did it two years ago, and not alone did they win 3 in a row but it was a championship/league double 3 in a row. I'm not even sure if Tour have even lost a league game in the last 7/8 years. It is admirable consistency, but their team is hardly that much if at all better than the teams they had since the late 90's, which says much about where we are now.

Then you have those clubs, two in particular, that may be making progress but frankly for the size of their area ought to be at the very least seriously challenging for the senior title and indeed junior too, given how few clubs we have there. And another cause for concern is the state of football in the few towns and urban areas we have as well, one not even having a functioning club at present.

The schools is a good point too. Yes the big two schools may be competitive but they have a big enough area to pick from so ought to be. Not sure if it's still the case now but around 15-20 years ago Summerhill had the highest boys enrolment of any school in the country. Even with the distraction of certain other sports they ought to be winning more. And for all that between the two schools they have only managed a single Connacht senior title between them, and like with the county underage a litany of final losses in that time. And strange as it may seem there but are other schools in the county too, those of us in east, mid and west Sligo shouldn't be just ignored either because we, rather like in the higher echelons of Irish society, didn't go to the right school.

GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: June 18, 2019, 11:22:40 AM »
Ridiculous and very hurtful comments about analysts here. To be honest, I only heard what Ursula Jacobs had to say. I didnít check out her hair, although if she hadnít it coiffed to the last degree, she would have got it here too. I found her to be brilliant. Really knows her stuff. Has a genuine pedigree in that sheís an All Ireland winner and was not there for some stupid gender quota reason. SOme of the comments on this board just highlight how much women are second class citizens in this country.

Maybe, but this was hurling. Sheís a camogie player.
Funny how Cahill didn't ask either Brennan or Cusack for their thoughts on the camogie games that were shown.

GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: June 16, 2019, 08:16:06 PM »
Mayo 2006 were definitely in with a shout. 2004 maybe not just as much, but neither were a foregone conclusion. Last year, I thought the lead up to the final was very low key for an AI final. And my all accounts, there was plenty of tickets going. I think that said a lot about what the inevitability of the result.

Kilkenny were a formidable team then, and I suppose strong favourites. The margin of victories were big, but I donít think it was a total inevitably about that beforehand. Maybe hurling people might disagree.

The media and Mayo fans went blindly into the '04 final. We were well warned for the '06 final. 90% of fans went to that final wanting Mayo just to be competitive!
The nature of their semi-final wins in both years would have played a part in the expectation in the build-up I suppose.

Agree with the comments on last year's final, watched it but only half-heartedly as the outcome was inevitable. For all Kilkenny's dominance of hurling since 2006 there wasn't a final where there was that same feeling. The only proper blowout win was in 2008 and that wasn't anticipated, even if them winning was. And like LS I don't particularly enjoy watching Dublin play anyway for the reasons stated.

GAA Discussion / Re: Ros v Galway Connacht Final 2019
« on: June 16, 2019, 08:03:26 PM »
Kevin Walsh won't survive that. Even if Galway get a couple wins in the qualifiers. I think we've seen enough now.

Michael Foley described them well just there "a team trapped inside their own heads".

Like us Sligo bucks said at the time he should never have got this job. He's wasting that talented group. The defending for the goal was farcical.
And like with us he would appear to be overstaying his welcome. How they conspired to lose it from that HT position only they will know.

Congrats to Roscommon though, deserved that win in the end.

Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling Championship 2019
« on: June 16, 2019, 07:52:42 PM »
Who got late red card in KK/Wexford?

If we win next Sunday in Nicky Rackard final we'll play Offaly next year!!!!
That's actually crazy when you think about it. Are ye in Croke Park the same day as the Joe Mcdonagh Final?
No the MacDonagh final is on before the Leinster final, ours is with the Ring/Meagher finals next Saturday as Seanie said.

Tomorow a important night in the minor/U17 championship

Sligo should move onto 4 points with a win against Leitrim who were well beaten in their games so far.

A key fixture between Mayo and Galway in McHale Park.
Is it the top two straight into the final? If it is then it boils down essentially to being the winner of Mayo/Galway tonight v the winner of Sligo/Roscommon next time. Assuming they both take care of Leitrim naturally.

GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: June 13, 2019, 12:16:47 PM »

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

Hard to argue with that, if anything, it'll widen the gap between the haves and the have nots.

From a spectacle point of view (less mismatches), a tiered championship would work well but it's absolutely nothing to do with improving the lot of weaker counties. Better/more equal funding is the only way to achieve that

So you reckon the gap between Dublin and Wicklow, tyrone and antrim, mayo and London, Kerry and limerick will get wider with tiering. I would say the gap is already too wide to narrow within the next 20 years. Funding is something that people have only started to talk about in the last couple of years with the dominance of Dublin. The gap between the top teams and the rest was always there. Funding won't make a difference. Counties like Fermanagh and Wicklow have never won anything. counties like that get 2 championship games a year, 3 if they get a lucky draw. Where is the chance to progress? Tiers would at least give the weaker counties something to play for.
The problem is that, like with restoring the Divisions 1-4 setup over the 1A/1B/2A/2B a decade ago, is that the tiering will entrench the advantages the top teams have by playing each other regularly and raising the standards as a result. The problem isn't that the gaps to Wicklow, Antrim, London and Limerick will get bigger than they already are. It's that after a few years of it the gap to the likes of Laois, Down, Sligo and Tipperary will have got much wider than they already are. And like with Carlow in the hurling this year and Laois next year if they win the Joe MacDonagh Cup, that the team that goes up into the top tier will be chasing shadows and will go straight back down, and whoever follows them likewise.

As has been alluded to before, the push for tiering has little to do with concern for the weaker counties, it's driven to create an elite competition amongst the top teams and feed the media interest and generate greater revenue as a result. That Sligo might win a first round Joe Brolly Cup tie against Waterford in Nenagh is not what enthuses Croke Park about going down the road they have set themselves on.

GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: June 13, 2019, 11:03:27 AM »
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.
On the money.

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