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Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 15, 2019, 10:42:38 AM »
The players are the ones who matter in all of this. If they want him, and he wants to manage them, then they need to speak up before another dud walks through the door.

Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 14, 2019, 06:31:30 PM »
Lots of insiders were happy to see Sugrue go. That's the reality. There will be no going back begging for him to come back. A man with his intelligence, demeanour and nous was a threat to them. John's the kind of person who will be successful wherever he goes. It doesn't matter who we appoint next because whoever it is will not give to Laois what John Sugrue did.

I find this unbelievable. Are you taking the piss?

Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 14, 2019, 06:23:04 PM »
There is absolutely no substance to the rumour of Sugrue joining
up with with JOC . Where these stories get started are bemusing.

I guess when you're treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed shite) you'll get this sort of speculation. You seem to know. Others seem to know. But the rest of us don't. And our money is as good as anyone else's when we're asked to support Laois GAA.

Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 14, 2019, 01:26:16 PM »
Smoke and mirrors Giovanni.

Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 14, 2019, 12:34:15 PM »
Entitlement? Are you serious? I have followed Laois around the country for a long, long time and have contributed a lot of money in one way or another to Laois GAA. That commitment extends way beyond two years. I get nothing back for that except my enjoyment (rare) of the odd good performance. I even had to pay to get a spot in the car park, only to see lads getting in for free. Entitlement me hole. I'll let you off.

Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 14, 2019, 10:58:38 AM »
Nobody has disrespected Sugrue. It's quite the contrary in fact, and that is why people are speculating so much. Nobody cared when some of our previous managers departed, but this is very different. People looked at Sugrue as the tide who could lift a few boats, and there is no doubt that he brought a renewed enthusiasm. In the same way that none of us expect him to go to Kildare, I have a similar feeling that he wouldn't walk away unless something went wrong. If all is as simple as family and work, then why not say that? You're hardly letting people into your confidence by telling the truth. You're also stopping the speculation.

Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 14, 2019, 08:21:07 AM »
Surprised? I'd be fuckin livid. The Squealers must have got another bailout from Croke Park to be able to afford this Dream Team. It's a good few years now since HQ told them to get rid of that hen house they call a stadium.

In all seriousness, fair play to them. They've shown real intent with O Connor. They have plenty of good young footballers so if they don't go for it now, they never will. It's inconceivable that Sugrue will go in with them because whatever happened in Laois, that would be a shitty thing to do on Laois people. I don't think Sugrue is that type of person and even if we allow for the CB making a hames of things (which I'm still prepared to be sceptical about) then walking down the road to Kildare would never be the right thing to do

Laois / Re: Laois Senior Football Championship 2019
« on: August 13, 2019, 10:44:47 PM »
Which has been done before and rejected. Thanks PRO

Laois / Re: Laois Senior Football Championship 2019
« on: August 13, 2019, 05:40:02 PM »
I think it's only an issue at underage level.

I presume it's fair to see Rob Tyrrell as a good example.

He came through as a fine footballer from a club where the focus is conservatively 75% hurling. As things stand now, if he was called into a Laois panel then he would be getting County training from say November-June. He'd go back and kick a bit of junior, hurl a few games and then have a couple of months to do some recovery and S&C before going back in with Laois.
Is that really an issue??

I accept, however, that there are players aged 13 right now who are potential senior footballers in 8 years. They could easily fall through the cracks.
The challenge for them is that they may be playing 'B' grade on their own or with some ramshackle amalgamation. He's likely training twice a week with 11 year olds making up the numbers and he never needs to learn the fundamental skills that are a prerequisite at the highest level. Compared that with the same footballer in Portlaoise or St Paul's and that's the issue. And I use St Paul's deliberately. Excuse me if I'm wrong on this but it seems a really good relationship. It's not an Emo or Courtwood Gaels team, the clubs involved know what they're getting out of it and they actively put work into it. The players are benefitting from the structure and the exposure to good training and 'A' competition.
In years to come, there may be a conversation about the arrangement extending to adult level but again, that's a really separate one.

The first solution to this needs to come primarily from the clubs. Look at their primary school(s), can they get 10 boys in first class still playing in 1st Year. If they do this consistently across a decade and have quality coaching, a bit of luck and things go for them, they'll improve. If they can't get those numbers through, they need to think of a way around it.

The other solution needs to come from the County. Development Panels need to look beyond the Athletic and dominant 'Big Lads' and cast a net that includes player who may be late bloomers. The balance is key.

I'm not saying for a second that this will cure the ills within our Senior Football or Hurling Championships. They're separate issues as far as I'm concerned. I do think 16 senior football clubs is too many...I actually think 8 hurling is too few. But I am adamant that Divisional Teams entering the senior championships are not the panacea that some claim.

Good post in fairness. Good common sense. I'm neither for or against Divisioal teams but I am in favour of getting lads involved with Senior football in whatever guise that takes. Sugrue in fairness trawled the county, but it was only a snapshot. Consistent exposure to good coaching and good football is what some lads need, and at the moment, there are many lads slipping through the cracks

Laois / Re: Laois Senior Football Championship 2019
« on: August 13, 2019, 03:22:47 PM »
Disappointed with the quality of the games I saw this weekend.

I suppose the weather on Saturday affected the games. Ballyfin played some nice football in the first game and Crettyard must be hot favourites to go down now. They look a very disjointed outfit.

In the second game, Portlaoise were well below par and I think it shows that they might be there to be got at by a well organised team with a little bit more quality than Courtwood. To be fair to them, Courtwood gave it a really good go and can only improve from the game.

The third game was ruined by the weather. I think the smallish, light Port team would go better on a dry, fine day. Fancy them to win the replay. Ballyroan Abbey got a few breaks on the night. 

I missed the early games Sunday. Saw half of the Emo Stradbally game. Emo far better team. Stradbally had too many passengers but I think may be able to stay up. Last game was very drab. Graigue kinda left it behind them. I think they led 9-5 and didn’t score again until injury time (or so it seemed). O’Dempseys would need to play a lot better to get to another county final.

Heard nothing about Josephs and The Heath. The Heath are really well off the level of senior football. If you were reducing the senior teams by three or four to bring in area teams, they would be certain to drop I’d imagine.

Conditions were to blame for the even poorer than usual fare on Saturday evening. We have to accept that Portlaoise don't need to be at full tilt or anywhere near it in Laois. I don't think Courtwood would be worried about too many teams after Portlaoise and nor should they be. The standard has been poor for a number of years now and it's clear that a fresh approach is needed

Laois / Re: Laois Senior Football Championship 2019
« on: August 13, 2019, 03:09:35 PM »
Beg your pardon. 3 games. That shouldn't detract from the main point. If we're looking to offer a better standard of football to lads who might be interested in that, we could go Divisional sides or giving lads access to Senior clubs. Maybe someone more knowledgable could explain the rules that govern this.

Alternatively, we could keep going as we are by offering a yearly lifeline to two or three very weak Senior clubs. Sugrue's area competition complemented the current system really well and there's no doubt one or two lads emerged. But if he's gone and with him the area competition, then we have to address ways of getting good players access to Senior football.

Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 13, 2019, 09:08:04 AM »
We've heard nothing official from the CB (unlikely anyway) or from Sugrue. They want your money, support and volunteerism but don't dare ask any questions. We have no right to expect an explanation, but it's the done thing nowadays. Cian O Neill wrote an essay FFS. But not in Laois of course. Another PR disaster.

Laois / Re: Laois Senior Football Championship 2019
« on: August 13, 2019, 08:57:51 AM »
In theory, you're spot on Merman. Then there's the flip side of the coin. Lads with ability in smaller clubs or clubs not going too well tend to blend in to their surroundings. Do we discard them altogether?

The key here could be to play a couple of rounds of the Senior Championship in May, and allow interested players to play Senior with clubs at that point. Then in August, they can still kick with the senior club and play with their own club in the lower grades. It would need dedication, bit surely these are the type of players we're looking for anyway? There's no need for a Divisional side, but it's certainly more appealing than a 16 team Senior and 8 team Intermediate. That makes no sense at all, particularly with some Senior teams only getting to play 2 Championship matches. How can that ever lead to personal improvement in a county where the League is largely irrelevant

Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 12, 2019, 07:12:33 PM »
I had actually heard one or two rumblings that certain people weren't happy with his performance. To those people I would say cop yourselves on and take a long hard look at what we have available to us.

It reminds me of when McNulty was ran out of town. There were those who thought we were better than getting to All Ireland quarter finals and playing Division 1 and Division 2 football. As we fell down to division 4, those people got their answer.

I have no problem admitting I was one of them. I also have no problem admitting that I enjoyed the trip to London far more than losing to Dublin under McNulty by a small margin. It was hard to watch Nameless, but I can see your point.

Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 12, 2019, 07:10:43 PM »
It struck me as very strange both the decision and the timing. It didn't smell of a long, carefully thought out "Family and Business" decision. Wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they fucked it up yet again. If there's one thing they are uncomfortable with it's a manager doing well. Incompetent wouldn't even begin to describe it.

Why manage an inter county team when Leinster is dead and the All Ireland is a procession?

It can’t be easy motivating players who get hammered as standard

Oddly enough, you probably chose the worst man to make that point about. Sugrue had little time for talk about Dublin's dominance. He only saw the challenge of beating them. I accept that he might have come to his senses, but his motivation came very much from within. External factors didn't faze him at all

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