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GAA Discussion / Re: Another Kerry player fails a doping test
« on: April 28, 2020, 10:05:56 PM »

this is what grinds my gears, lad at 35 not many years left and he cant even play club football because hes held to a higher set of rules than the other lads who are still able to play. With the Anti doping surely the ban should only apply to Inter County football/ Hurling? Gutted for the fella

Zero sympathy from me - no-one put a gun to his head.

The fact that it's a four year bans indicates that the powers-that-be believe that this was wholly intentional.

If Anti-doping bans only applied to Inter-County, it would effectively give a carte blanche to doping at club level.

By rights there should be drug testing at club level - protect the overwhelming vast majority of honest players from the likely tiny number of cheats.


Then again, every county team has a doctor....it's not that hard to get a TUE these days. Without knowing the ins and outs of that field I would imagine Sport Ireland have GAA players very far down their list with regards to questioning these.

The number of TUE exemptions granted in GAA for 2019 were 2.

There was a total of 44 TUEs granted (8 requests were turned down)

Rugby had 9 and soccer had 6.

Page 21 of the 2019 report

Overall there were 135 GAA players drug tested in Ireland (4th highest) - Cycling 218, Rugby 196, Athletics 154
Soccer only had 55 players tested, which seems a bit low - rowing, swimming and paralympics all had more tests done.

Ladies football had 4 tests and Camogie 4 as well.

https://www.sportireland.ie/sites/default/files/media/document/2020-04/antidoping-review-2019.pdf

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GAA Discussion / Re: U20 All Ireland football championship 2020
« on: March 06, 2020, 09:16:08 PM »
Dublin's have won 9 out of the last 12 Leinster U21/U20 titles compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.

They've won 4 All-Irelands in the last 9 years compared to 1 in the previous 46 years.

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GAA Discussion / Re: U20 All Ireland football championship 2020
« on: March 06, 2020, 08:24:46 PM »
Laois's own kickouts completely killed them.

Dublin probably won something like 10 of Laois's 15 kickouts.





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GAA Discussion / Re: U20 All Ireland football championship 2020
« on: March 04, 2020, 09:12:59 PM »
Are any of these upcoming four provincial finals on TV? I haven't seen any highlights of any games thus far on TV. Since U21 became U20 the coverage on these games has become less and less it seems.

GAA Beo on TG4
- Munster Final Cork v Kerry Wed 04-March
- Leinster Final Dublin v Laois Fri 06-March

Saw that earlier on twitter, hopefully they'll show the other 2 as well.

When Tg4 released their list of games at the start of the year, it only had the Munster and Leinster finals on it.
They will broadcast both the semi-finals on St Paddys Day and the final.

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GAA Discussion / Re: U20 All Ireland football championship 2020
« on: March 04, 2020, 09:01:09 PM »
Would be no shock if the two managers on the sideline end up as senior managers from Cork and Kerry down the line.
Cork really went out of the game in the 2nd half.
Kerry probably favs for the All-Ireland now.


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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Div 4 2020
« on: March 02, 2020, 06:41:41 PM »
There's no need to invent structures - the proposals are there and will be voted on in a special congress later in the year. Get into your clubs....get on to your county board reps....and get this change in. For us in division 3/4 especially, it's essential to get more games in summer to promote gaelic football in our counties. Players really want it too. The amount of training they do to play 2 games in summer is a joke.
Agree 100% ( I know....this will have to stop :D).
Only tweak I'd make would be to keep the Provincials as knock out with rounds interspersed with the League Rounds. Needs 11 weekends.
Also let Provincial Champions into the AI series.
Playing 75% of Inter County games in 9 weeks in Jan/Feb/March is madness.

This year in the league 148 games will be played over 10 weeks from January to March.

This year in the provincial championships 29 games will be played over 8 weekends from May to June.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Allianz League Division 3 2020
« on: March 01, 2020, 05:34:00 PM »
Down will f*ck it up somehow.

Down have Leitrim at home and Louth away.
Longford have Derry away and Cork at home.
Down have the advantage if its two teams level on points having won the head-to-head but Longford have the a score difference of +14 compared to Down's +7
Derry and Offaly play each other in the final round so one of those could well come into the mix depending on who wins that.

Louth are gone and pretty much between Tipp and Leitrim to join them [Derry and Offaly are likely to be safe given previous results and score difference ] - Tipp and Leitrim play each other in the last round so that looks like it will be a relegation decider.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 - 2020
« on: March 01, 2020, 05:22:33 PM »
You’d imagine one win won’t be enough for Mayo alright as Donegal's scoring difference is vastly superior.

Monaghan are in 5th place same points as Donegal 5 but with only a score difference of +2.
However you'd think with two home games (against Kerry and Meath) you'd think they will survive.

After today's matches.
Donegal +18 Points 5
Monaghan +2 Points 5
Mayo -15 Points 3

Very hard to see Mayo overturning the score difference in a situation where it would matter - 3 teams level on points.

Dublin v Meath
Monaghan   v Kerry   
Galway v Mayo
Tyrone v  Donegal

Galway v Dublin   
Mayo v Tyrone   
Kerry v  Donegal
Monaghan v Meath

Galway looking good odds for a place in the league final with their scoring difference - you'd think it would be between Dublin and Kerry to join them

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
« on: March 01, 2020, 05:05:58 PM »
Disappointing result for Cavan. Seems like it's almost certain a team with 6 pts will go down.

If there are 3 teams on equal points is it score difference? The margin the Armagh/Cavan game might save Armagh or condemn Cavan.

 

If 3 teams level its score difference.
If 2 teams level head-to-head.

It's fairly unlikely to be a factor though with Cavan v Roscommon to play each other.

Remaining fixtures

Fermanagh v Armagh (Presume this will be played next week)

Armagh v Roscommon      
Clare v Fermanagh      
Westmeath v Laois      
Kildare v Cavan      

Cavan v Roscommon      
Clare v Armagh      
Kildare v Westmeath      
Fermanagh v Laois

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GAA Discussion / Re: GAA presidential election 2020
« on: February 28, 2020, 09:51:53 PM »
McCathy picked up 79 transfers compared to Burns picking up 52.

Shinners aren't transfer friendly.

Bit of as hock, I expected Burns to win this comfortably, he is a very likeable guy and would have been an excellent president.

Yeah I expected Burns to win too, but I wouldn't have you confidence in how he would perform at all.
I would have expected him to be a pretty safe/don't rock the boat president.
Hopefully McCarthy will go in and go radical from day one.

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GAA Discussion / Re: GAA presidential election 2020
« on: February 28, 2020, 09:44:22 PM »
McCathy picked up 79 transfers compared to Burns picking up 52.

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Has anyone actually run any numbers whatsoever in terms of capacity versus cost.
How many times would a 30k seater stadium be expected to sell out over the next 20/25/30 years versus a 25k seater versus a 35k seater.
How much would a 25k/30k/35k seater costs versus the expected extra revenue they would bring in.
I would say most of the GAA stadia in Ireland rarely if ever hit full capacity.
From what I could find from a quick search PuC in Cork has only sold out to its full capacity of 45k once since it opened as a sports venue and that was for the Liam Millar charity gig.

The following are the attendences for all the championship games in hurling and football

Cork v Limerick 2018 hurling 34,607
Wexford v Waterford 2017 hurling 31,753
Cork v Tipp 2019 2017 hurling 30,274
Tipp v Clare 2017 hurling 28,567
Cork v Kerry 2018 football 27,764
Cork v Waterford 2019 hurling 26,521
Cork v Clare 2018 hurling 24,490
Cork v Kerry 2019 football 18,265
Clare v Wexford 2019 hurling 10,225
Cork v Limerick 2019 football 3,128

So far it looks like a 35k seater would have been sufficient.




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GAA Discussion / Re: GAA presidential election 2020
« on: February 28, 2020, 08:56:19 PM »
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MOTION 1

This motion proposes to give the sideline official the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play which have not been noticed by the referee.

This only got 70%.
Mind-boggling.
If you ever wonder why discipline in the GAA is a shambles. remember this.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
« on: February 25, 2020, 08:13:01 PM »
Kildare must be the Tier 2 All-Ireland favourites.

Jack O'Connor to deliver some silverware to Kildare.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 - 2020
« on: February 23, 2020, 07:34:58 PM »
The following is taken from page 42 of the ref's handbook.

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SANCTIONS RELATING TO ILLEGAL CHARGE/COLLISION DETERMINED BY THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA

• If contact is made to an opponent’s head
• If opponent has no opportunity to protect himself
• If contact/impact is excessive or causes injury
• If the elbow/forearm/hurley is part of the contact
• If the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent
• The direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact

I would say that the key factor was the fact that the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself and was pretty much blindsided by McGeary.

I think McGeary wasn't helped by the fact that his elbow was some bit up prior to contact and popped up a bit when the contact was made, even though from what I saw watching the game back it didn't make any contact at all.  It probably falls into the categpry of slightly harsh, but given McGeary opted to play the man as opposed to the ball, I wouldn't have huge amounts of sympathy for him.

The bit about "contact/impact being excessive" is a terrible bit of wording on a rule.
Can anyone explain how one ref is mean to interpret this consistently, never mind different refs ?

On a related note, I'd love to see the stats on how effective the shoulder as a skill is in game - in a serious amount of cases it seems to end up being a free to the player in possession. 
Some players seem to love attempting tackles but all too often I think players would be far likelier to win the turn-over if they focused on the ball.
If McGeary had tackled the ball in this situation, I think there is strong odds he would have dispossed the Galway player, given the Galway player has the ball in a somewhat exposed position and is only holding it with one hand and McGeary is pretty much blindsiding him.

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