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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: March 25, 2017, 12:57:29 PM »
After getting soaked in Balybofey on saturday  coming home pissed off and cried all week about the performance and vowed i would not go back.....guess what looking forward to going to the game tomorrow v Mayo in Omagh and improved performance and all will be forgive, hon Tyrone........fickle oul sport this...

Love it haha.

That Ballybofey place could suck the life out of a birthday party at McDonalds.

General discussion / Re: Martin Mc Guinness Passes Away at 66
« on: March 25, 2017, 12:23:11 PM »
A very good article by Ed Moloney that is apart from those of many writers this week and backed by his detail from years of research.

A long read but worth every word as it shows how the media need to simplify and compartmentalise has produced their conclusions to their analysis of the life of Martin McGuinness.

Regardless of your recommendation I will not read Ed Moloney.
If you summarize it and it looks good I will but I'll need to be persuaded.

I think McWilliams has a little bit of licence here as he's from Dalky. I don't think there is anything unique about Cuala or hurling for that matter.
You could pick any number of clubs or codes and have a crack at explaining why they succeed or fail and there's only one real factor linking them all.
The people involved. Not their social or professional standing but their skills in running clubs and their determination.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: March 24, 2017, 04:19:33 PM »

How is it that TTM cudnt radio broastcast it online and yet Michael Murphy was allowed to stream it live online on his business page??

He might not have been allowed but did it anyway.

What is the story with Teamtalk? They've been frantically appealing for people to sign their petition but as far as I've seen they haven't actually given an explanation as to why their coverage is being restricted

My guess is that is product is worth more when exclusive. It's hard to sell a product offered for free.

The u21 championship is sponsored by Eirgrid.

 If I'm sponsoring a championship I want my name out there more than an internet broadcaster using that championship puts their own sponsors name. Example, I'd want Eirgrid mentioned more than Sallys.

While I do not know the reason I know the GAA have done deals with organisations I have no trust in.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: March 24, 2017, 04:15:47 PM »
The star player from our last 3 ai minor winning teams have all gone by the wayside cause of Harte. Mulgrew 04 coney 08 and now r o neill. Anyone see the pattern?

There's a million possible reasons for this.

General discussion / Re: Martin Mc Guinness Passes Away at 66
« on: March 24, 2017, 04:13:45 PM »

Go back through history and certain people pulled the strings of the ordinary Protestant to stoke up sectarian tension and division to further alterior motives.

Yes, that's not uncommon. It's also true that it is a real experience, real life, real memory, real history for the 'ordinary protestant'.

General discussion / Re: Martin Mc Guinness Passes Away at 66
« on: March 24, 2017, 02:41:37 PM »

Fair enough,  you could say that.  My real point though was Campbell's claim that working class Protestants suffered the same discrimination as Catholics is unbelievable.


There is an element of truth in that. It's understandable why some would believe it.
Working class people were always getting screwed. Just because the majority of the working class were Catholic doesn't mean there wasn't working class protestants too. It's no coincidence that loyalists came mainly from working class areas.

General discussion / Re: Martin Mc Guinness Passes Away at 66
« on: March 24, 2017, 11:57:53 AM »

With Ian O'g, Sophie Long and the likes breaking from the mould there is a hope that unionism is beginning to acknowledge that there is a strong Irish nationalist element to the North that won't take anything else other than equality and mutual respect to be a given.

In the same breath Unionism in itself is sorely lacking leaders who're prepared to lead from the front without looking over their shoulders all the time at how the hardliners are going to see their actions. When the likes of Jim Rodgers is shit scared to deal with bonefire builders in East Belfast wrecking a 40 Million Greenway it doesn't bode well in terms of true leadership.

It's a long slow process. Sadly apart from those directly involved it's feigned emotion by many politicians and journalists.
Pat Kenny on now talking about the Enniskillin bombing. He spoke with the emotion of a victim. I'd guess Pat Kenny has no emotional connection to that atrocity. There is only so long that can last as it becomes more and more evident that it's only the direct victims than can talk with that emotion. If I was to talk about the executions at 1916 like that I'd be rightly seen as a fool. Or even more recently, if I was to talk about bloody Sunday like that. I see bloody sunday as an important historical event. it still has ramifications today. For those that have survived Bloody Sunday it's an emotional thing. If I talk about it emotional I'll be found out or at least lose the interest of the listener. This is the tactic still used in many parts of Unionism. Like Gregory Campbell it will soon be outdated. People like Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness recognised this long before I did and applied more and more logic and less and less emotion to their approach. That was leadership and it's also a credit to their ability to recognise the curve.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: March 24, 2017, 09:44:43 AM »

How is it that TTM cudnt radio broastcast it online and yet Michael Murphy was allowed to stream it live online on his business page??

He might not have been allowed but did it anyway.

General discussion / Re: Martin Mc Guinness Passes Away at 66
« on: March 23, 2017, 02:08:05 PM »
Sweet mother of f**k, she did not?!

I think that's nice. In context though, it seems many attendees got that warm welcome to the bogside. It was nice not to single her out by not affording her a warm welcome.

General discussion / Re: Martin Mc Guinness Passes Away at 66
« on: March 23, 2017, 02:04:52 PM »

Power sharing didn't come until armed struggle ended. 30 years after it started! None of us can be 100% certain but I think it would have taken less than 30 years without violence.

Equality in terms of housing and jobs (public sector at least) came in the first half of the conflict but by then it was too late. And that equality was thanks in a large part to the first generation of educated Catholics and not the ra.

Inequality was present for longer than the armed conflict. The Civil rights campaign was not the beginning of the inequality, it was in response to it. It is taken as a starting point to fuzz the reality. The impact of generations of inequality can not be switched off in a single decade.

Every decade is preceded by many decades that impact on it. Now we are still seeing an impact of events in the 70s and 80s. In the 70s and 80s it was an impact from events in the 40s. In the 50s it was the impact of events in the 20s and so on.
Go back as far you need, you'll see longer periods of inequality than violence.
We are partly a product of the experience of our parents and grandparent as the next generation will be.

General discussion / Re: Martin Mc Guinness Passes Away at 66
« on: March 23, 2017, 10:37:47 AM »
What the reaction to his death shows is that unionists haven't changed much at all, still refusing to accept the role they and the British state played in the collapse of their little sectarian statelet - it was just all the nationalists causing trouble.

I've heard some talk about the rewriting of history, and I suspect thats why Arlene and her ilk make such a fuss about doing anything that could be interpreted as reaching out, its a correcting of history, not a rewriting.

I find it very difficult to find a link between the language used by Unionist leaders and my Unionist friends. I think Unionist leadership is slightly behind the curve on much of this.
In contrast I think when Paisley died the Nationalist and Republican leadership acted in a way that was a reflection of the larger community they represent.

General discussion / Re: Martin Mc Guinness Passes Away at 66
« on: March 23, 2017, 08:32:59 AM »
I understand what drive men of the 60's and 70's to join the IRA but I can't countenance some of their actions once they had joined it. Had they stuck to strictly military or strategic targets most of that would have been defensible but most of the time innocents were targeted. What did the deaths of Nicholas Knatchbull or Paul Maxwell have to do with republicanism or Irish independence? Posters regularly round on Fearon when he defends how the church abused and caused the deaths of hundreds of children but yet can find room to defend the IRA who were complicit in the deaths of many innocent women and children. Many here have recounted stories about the troubles but no amount of harassment at UDR checkpoints or guns being waved in your face is worth the lives of innocent children.

Leaving that aside, I had great time for Martin McGuinness. Too much has been made of his chuckle brother routine with Paisley and using Paisley as a counter-point. His nearest equivalent would have been David Ervine who was also also a paramilitary turned politician and also a man whom held my respect. To their credit both seen the futility of the bloodshed and had a humility in the post-troubles years that to me dictated a sense of remorse for the years of slaughter. That humility I find lacking in Adams, Robinson, Foster and to a certain extent Paisley who all appear/appeared to think that the peace process was their accomplishment as opposed to how they should feel; that the troubles was their fault.

Sadly the highlighted part is not the case.
There were many bad decisions and bad actions. Running the risk of being seen as heartless I do want to add some context.

The IRA were hailed as a major organised and guerrilla army. In reality they were not. This was a tag given to them to justify failed British policy and British Army actions.
Many actions carried out by the IRA were done by young men and women who were terrified, unskilled, angry and revengeful. A potent mix for disaster.
Your comment above is sweeping. I can't fathom that anyone ever thought they were going to kill children. Especially an 18 year old and a 19 year old who  tried to take a bomb to a Courthouse in a town they didn't know through a landscape peppered with military security and intelligence.

While you isolate child victims you omit so much else of the context. Regardless if you agree or not history tells us you are wrong. Harassment at check points, in prisons, at protests, in you home, at your place of work (not to mention murder) is cause for for violent reaction. Loyalists were also subject to this and their violent actions in return to IRA actions was also understandable in the real lives of those young people.

There is mountains of evidence of children being indirectly killed when guns and bombs are used in violent response. It's a global reality and it's terrifying. In my view that reality will never become a barrier to people engaging in armed conflict.

It's documented that Martin McGuinness was the top IRA man in Derry at 22 years old. I'd be surprised if he was commanding experienced or trained military personel.

GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland U21 football championship 2017
« on: March 22, 2017, 09:13:22 PM »
Donegal 4 ahead going into last 10 minutes

General discussion / Re: Terror attack in London
« on: March 22, 2017, 09:05:06 PM »
I'm afraid things like this are going to become more and more 'the norm'. This is just the next phase.

You'll fing they're becoming less and less regular.

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