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GAA Discussion / Re: Top 10 Forwards since 1977 - Survey Results
« on: April 25, 2017, 08:13:41 AM »
Bernard Brogan? Really? Run this poll in 10 years and Brogan wouldn't even be mentioned, never mind make the top 25. Connolly either.

Connolly is the best forward in the best team ever.

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Haha! You think I have nothing better to do than try to set out to offend people? My choice of words is an accurate picture of how I interpret these ancient texts. I could refer to the invisible man in the sky as "almighty holy and merciful God" but it wouldn't be an accurate description of how I view that character. If you choose to be offended by it than that's your business.

No, I don't think that. And I didn't choose to be offended. Is your argument not strong enough to defend without the need to insert a new argument and defend it instead?
I said i'm ok with your interpretation of the text. I somewhat agree.

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His explanations are based on run of the mill, every day, plausible interpretations e.g. pooling of food. Or they're based on scientific theories for which there is actual evidence e.g. flood myths being based on the flooding of the Black Sea through the Bosphorus. That's a lot more than can be said for a literal interpretation of the actual biblical stories.

As for your offense at the Mary bit, are you really that sensitive and delicate?

Yes, agreed.

I'm slightly offended. I'm not a strong catholic yet am still slightly offended.

Mary is a very important figure in Catholicism. While the faith is not above criticism the specific criticisms of Mary by the poster are deliberate with the intent to offend. The faith in and the figure of Mary can rightly be questioned without the need to degrade.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: April 22, 2017, 09:48:15 AM »
I don't think I've missed the point at all. There is a national issue with fixtures and county player availability. No matter who manages Tyrone the issue is going to be there. So there is no point attacking harte who when you look at other counties is pretty reasonable.

He is the appointed county manager and has to do what he thinks is best for the team. He is competing against other counties who are having week long training camps and more access to the players. He is expected to compete and has been seen here recently when things don't go well takes the blame and serious abuse for results. Everyone can't have it both ways.

The issue needs addressed nationally were designated periods are put in place for club football that can't be touched. Until then the county board need to do there best with the current structures to allow the county to remain competitive whilst allowing regular club games.

They came up with in my opinion a decent proposal which would have allowed 11 starred games and regular matches from June to August which is traditionally the period with biggest problem for fixtures. The clubs voted it down which I can't work out.

I agree that another manager would do the exact same thing and therefore change is not needed.
There is a big theme here that our ability to compete now and in the future is being hampered by the problems facing the clubs. Many here believe this will have a negative impact on our ability to compete therefore lowering expectations. Go back and have a look at the comments as see there is a lowering of expectation.


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I think the gnostic gospels (Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Judas, etc.) are interesting. The story behind why they didn't make the "final cut" of the Bible is a great story in itself.

What I take from the Bible is that there probably was a Jesus-type character who was a "prophet" in the sense of being a philosopher and public speaker, since that was a common thing in Palestine at the time. The re-telling of some of the stories has lost some accuracy along the way, which is a pity because some of the intended lessons were lost. Case in point; the feeding of the 5000. It's told today as him performing a miracle by converting small amounts of fish and bread into large amounts. What really happened was people in those days carried food around with them because there wasn't exactly a grocery store or cafe on every corner. Some of his followers had run out of food, so he got everyone to put a bit of their food into a pile that could be evenly redistributed among the crowd. It was a lesson about collective effort to help everyone.

Did the crucifixion happen? Sounds about right since the Roman state felt a bit threatened by civil unrest he was stirring up with his newfangled ideas. The Romans wanted stability.

Did the resurrection happen? Obviously not, but if he somehow survived the crucifixion and was seen alive afterwards then that would explain how that little story got out to a small number of people. People being misdiagnosed as dead is not unheard of. If an earthquake coincided with his apparent "death" then the superstitious nature in everyone would have pounced on that as a meaningful event.

As for the old testament, some interesting creation myths in there. I heard once that there is evidence of a big ancient flood in the Black Sea region, so that would have fueled the Noah story.

So my personal take on the Bible a scripture in general is that there's probably a kernel of truth in a lot of it, but I don't accept supernatural explanations. I mean, what do you think is more likely? Mary was impregnated by an alien or was she fooling around with someone and decided to stick to her story? That said, there are some good lessons and messages in there. You can agree with the teachings of Ghandi without being Hindu, and you can agree with a lot of the teachings of Jesus without being a Christian.

That's a very deliberate and offensive choice of words.
Adding a question mark is a cowardly way to try to escape that.

Your explanations are based on current theory applied to a 2000 year old event. Your explanations are at least equally open to dismissal on those grounds.
I agree with you that the bible is not an accurate historic account but there is no way I'd try to offend Christians for their faith. Nor would I argue with an atheists with deliberate attempts to offend.

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Can a few carry a player on his shoulders while he holds the ball high in the air?

This would mean the ball carrier could cover the distance of the pitch without taking any steps and there is no determination on how long it might take to take 4 steps.

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General discussion / Re: The Catholic religious orders and power
« on: April 22, 2017, 08:34:48 AM »
The Catholic Church has been instrumental in providing valued health care and educational services to the vast majority of people North and South for decades,saving the Governments in both jurisdictions countless millions.

Perhaps given the ingratitude and downright offensiveness the Church should withdraw their services,reallocate them to grateful populations in the Third World,and let the Government and tax payers,North and South,take full responsibility for Health and Education.

This somewhat contradicts you position on your own thread here - http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27816.0

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: April 22, 2017, 07:24:19 AM »
Yeah cause a new manager is going to come in and free up the players to play club football every weekend whilst still having Tyrone winning all Irelands playing open attacking football. The only issue I have is with the timing of the request for the training weekend.

When you see what other counties are doing it wasn't an unreasonable request to have the players for one of the 6 weekends pre Derry game. He wasn't even demanding that the games were cancelled just moved to mid week.

Midweek games happen in local soccer and other counties and in a one off scenario weren't the big deal they were made out to be. Harte is far from perfect but has been allowed clubs access to their county players as much if not more than other top county managers in recent years.

This board has got terrible. Full of crying and yapping and over dramatising everything. Just like other forms of social media I guess. The majority of people now on the Tyrone pages complain in at least 75 per cent of messages. There's been 2 full rounds of club games and plenty of underage games with very little talked about them. The county players and management give an awful lot to the county and don't deserve half the crap they get.

I think you miss the point here. The issue here is with Harte as this is the Tyrone Forum. The fact that it happens elsewhere does not mean it's not a problem. Your argument is like claiming Global warming isn't a problem because China have more emissions than Ireland.

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General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: April 21, 2017, 02:10:34 PM »
There are over 500 English MPs  in Westminister so it doesn't matter a damn who from the North (or Scotland/Wales) take or dont taketheir seats.
if there is a hung parliament it does.
The SF position doesn't make sense now. The net result of their foostering is that NI is in limbo.


It makes no difference to the position of sending Irish men and women to London to rule Ireland. In a practical sense it still makes no difference either.

As for NI being in Limbo? This is the result of it's place within the union and nothing else.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: April 21, 2017, 09:48:20 AM »

Meh, ever hear of thinning the herd? Of course the weaker will take their chance to walk away and use this as a justification, as far as I see it there will be six or seven league games played before the first round of Ulster- half of the league wrapped up with just one starred game used. Bodes well for the year on the club scene imo. People love to be outraged.

I'm not outraged.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: April 21, 2017, 09:47:23 AM »


You have to be taking the piss

Yes, I think so.

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General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: April 21, 2017, 08:49:07 AM »
Also sf don't go to westminster which you would imagine impacts their voting.

It will have a positive impact i'd say. As shown with Brexit, there's no point in sending politicians to London.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: April 21, 2017, 08:40:28 AM »
Fair play to MH, takes a strong man to stand by his beliefs in the face of adversary. If we are holding the anglo celt what come July there will be nothing but celebration. If some people need to be cannon fodder for that to happen so be it. That's war people.

That's short sighted. It's the clubs feeding the County and it seems that rather than cannon fodder it's cutting your own throat.
If nobody wants to play club football your celebrations won't be happening.

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Catholic Ireland about to relax the Easter drinking laws, pubs and clubs will now be allowed to open on Good Friday, I'm surprised that the 78% haven't kicked up a fuss!

I'm surprised there aren't more atheists working on Sundays.

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I think that was the advice the Shinner veteran was giving his young (17+ or so ) fellow canvassers. People on the doorstep would promise to vote for anyone who knocked on their door. Some would promise their vote to four or five different candidates and the likelihood was that they wouldnít bother their posteriors to to get out and vote for anyone.
Thatís been the way for generations and not only in Finglas South  or West but Pat Carey and Noel Ahern knew their supporters and knew who to target and each had his own part of the constituency to work on. You are right that the number of people on the ground mattered little if they went about looking for support in an indiscriminate fashion.
But I canít accept that voter apathy can be put down to a lack of voter education only. There are complex reasons for this and academic education wouldnít cure the problem. Just as the educational system canít be blamed for the low numbers from working class areas going on to third level education. If the prevailing mindset in an area is to have teenagers being put to work and bringing home a pay packet as early as possible, then all the efforts of schools to change that will count for little. Lots have no interest in current or political affairs because their parents hadnít either.
I would bet that in your own area, there is at least one teacher managing a Gaelic team in any primary school you know. Yet, soccer is the most popular sport in working class Dublin by a long distance. If the schoolís philosophy will have little effect unless it has the backing of the local community.
BTW,  the 11 am deadline has nothing to do with elections. I am referring to what would happen every week!
One man, as inoffensive as youíd meet, used to drive a little council truck emptying rubbish containers on the streets and lampposts. He got out one day on one of the streets Iím talking about to cross the road to pick up a bag of rubbish thrown on the street. When he got out of his cab, a guy came out of a nearby house, hopped into his truck and drove straight at a bus stop pole. He wrecked both bus stop and truck and then went back into his gaff again. No word of any sort or threatening gesture or anything like that. Odds were that he was high on something or other but the fact remains that it wasnít a lack of education that caused him to do what he did.

I see no relevance in the bin man story to my argument. If i'm missing something I'm honestly innocent of it.

I suppose I don't define academic and voter education along the same lines. There are more academic young people than there are academic elderly yet the elderly have a greater voting turnout.
Voter education is something different. This is why the elderly are more voter aware, it's accumulated education. There's a wider community education that can change voter apathy. In the last local election Ladyswell in Mullhuddart rise in turnout from 29% to above 50%. This was a product of voter education. Now, it might return to 29% but it is a sign that education works. The same thing happened over a longer period in Corduff and for similar reasons. One being a local candidate, a voter campaign by the local CDC and the strong campaigns run by SF and the Socialist party. I'll bet now that FF see these figures these areas will be awarded canvass time. I welcome this.

Yes, I'd say there's a lot of inherited voter apathy as there is inherited voter preference.

In my area there is a teacher teaching GAA yet the children do play soccer. I don't agree that it's the reasons you say though. The teachers in my area do not live in the area. It's the local activists that provide the after school activity. These GAA teachers in my local school are members and volunteers of GAA clubs outside their school area, There are all sorts of sports associated with working class areas available but the GAA is weak. Again though, I define voter education as mostly community based rather than school based.

AS an after thought an non related but just as we are talking about social class and voting.
I have canvassed many people over the years. There is a huge self misrepresentation regarding class. There are many professionals struggling daily to meet their bills, with rent, mortgage, childcare, utilities etc who believe they are middle class. If you are finding your wage is paying for your life without an excess you are working class. Many of these people will hear politicians talk about the squeezed middle class. If you are feeling squeezed you are not middle class.
There is also a small under class that see them selves as working class. They are not.

After the crash I canvassed one man who really attacked me. He said there is no way he is voting left as they only want to tax the middle class. He claimed he was in negative equity and that his wife had lost her job in the crash  and was struggling. When I told him he sounded perfectly working class he was insulted. I tried to explain it to him but he was too shocked to hear himself described as working class. I hope I planted a seed though.

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