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Crack, are you from Cavan or Cork?

Doesn't matter as its good to get outside input/analysis.

I expect that I have lived in Cavan as long if not longer than you have and your reply is typical as to why the situation is as it is here in Cavan. You I expect like many more cannot see beyond the current bunch of players that are representing Cavan but after the last few weeks don't you think its time you sat back and reviewed the whole structure and players that are currently representing Cavan. I suppose it would be fair to say not one of the current players on the senior team would make an impact on many County teams if any at this moment so the sooner that the powers that be stood back and did some constructive thinking the better it will be for the future of the game here in Cavan.
Point of note I am not an arm chair critic and I am a loyal supporter to my adopted county.

I'm not trying to censor him/her. I'm just bewildered by some of the points made and am wondering how he/she has such knowledge of the Cavan scene.

Would you say my points are positive or negative???

Well there'll largely negative but that's not what I meant. I just don't agree with a lot of what you said and I'm wondering how someone from Cork would have such a depth of knowledge to have such strong opinions.

I am not a member of hoganstand nor employed in Breffni Park either just a peson with a view "opinion". ......................................

Crack, are you from Cavan or Cork?

Doesn't matter as its good to get outside input/analysis.

I'm not trying to censor him/her. I'm just bewildered by some of the points made and am wondering how he/she has such knowledge of the Cavan scene.

Would you say my points are positive or negative???

Passing through he will move on like Gallagher, Makey has nothing to offer the Intercounty Scene I am sorry. Time to move on, all these players well most of them before they corrupt the next batch coming through if they are not all ready got at.
Smith is a fine player but he will move on, I hope I am wrong but sadly I don't think he will hang around for more of the same if we keep most of the same panel of players because that is all it is. I hope that the new boss will not set his targts too hight for next year but I do hope that his first aim is to get a team we can respect and then promotion from division three. One step at a time.

Michael Hannon not good enough
John McCutcheon worth going along with honest lad
Alan Clarke MAYBE but not very sure
Martin Cahill heart heart heart but is he up to intercounty football
Dermot Sheridan playes with passion so maybe a bit further out the field
David Givney yes deffo
Gareth Smith no passion and I feel will move on
Seanie Johnson me me me man disruptive in any dressing room, what a shame he cannot be a team player
Cian Mackey not good enough and now with his pub to many late nights so a non starter for next year
Michael Brennan not good enough
Eoin McGuigan works hard but will be there next year I expect
Ronan Flanagan maybe
Mark McKeever yes have to keep him
along with the other players you mention don't forget young Geroid McKiernon
bring back G. Pierson and I am sure that the gales lads will come on board if a few who are on the panel will be removed

Being that you are from Ballyhaise I am not surprised you back M.Graham. What ever you say he has done at club level he has been in charged of the Cavan minors for three years and what has he returned to the county, SOD ALL.
I was in Clones last Saturday and feck me the whole team were devoiid of any game plan best he stays with Ballyhaise but if rumors are correct he is leaving you guys to take over the Cavan gales senior team to get a senior title onto his CV for it must be the easiest way to pick up a senior tilte without being smart. My opinion the man has not got it and watching the minors last week answers that, forget this person for Cavan management and move on.
Why not as a group discuss what they all have to offer and leave your club shirt out side for a while.

Pillar Caffrey I hope this is untrue

Quote from: crack on Today at 05:51:08 PM
Now I feel Cork told us how good Johnston is just a small time player in division 3 and 4 games, people say he would walk onto any County team in the 32 counties well you got your answer here he is just not good enough. I have been saying it on another forum week after week that he is not good enough and off course the usual faces saying what would you know or what are you talking about, Yes time to sort out the problem and the sooner the better. What has come forward from the development squad sweet F all. Get rid of all these people and bring in fresh faces, bring in a man who will take no nonsense from players and another area of the county set up this is the only way or we will be forever living in the 40s and 50s. I hope that the County chairman will finally end Mr Carr's Mr Graham & Mr Hyland and their back room staff tenure and bring in new faces.


I think you are being harsh on Johnstone. He does have some fantastic ability. What he also has is a bit of an attitude problem. I was hopeful that he has begun to move away from that but I don't know. He is still a class act when he puts his mind to it but certainly he has a long way to go before I would put him up there with the top forwards in the game.

Who would you suggest for the new faces to replace Carr, Hyland and Graham? There ain't too many candidates jumping out in front of me

well how about this for the minors.
Damien Reilly
Peter Reilly
Jason Reilly
Paul McCorry as trainer but now that Mr Carr has stood down I would want Paul McCorry as the senior trainer he is very good.

I expect John O'Mahoney will be one of the front runners. I hope that the new man gets rid of all of the current back room staff from the set up. The sooner the better.??

Not being funny, but who is the "them" you are talking about. For what its worth there is more than Carr at fault here but what we need is an inspirational figure. Someone that will demand with respect and inspire those around them. Carr has good qualities. He gets teams fit and I believe he is good on dicipline but anyone who has worked with him (and I know a few) will tell you he is drool and not very good on tactics. Not a lad that get the hairs standing on the back of your neck before a match. WHen you go to play Cork you need to be fired up coming out on the pitch thats for sure.

you must be joking about being fit they are far from it and also their trainer is not up to it


They were fitter than Wicklow and had 2 less players. Wicklow under the legendary Micko who prides himself on using the league as a pre season training camp. There is lots wrong but I seen no evidence of lads not being able to run.


Amazing what one interprets from the performance last Saturday week it's amazing what a bit of adrenalin does to your performance. They are a shambles a total disgrace and time they moved on it's that simple. Miko in fairness to him was not or did not know what to do with the two extra men when in fact he should have bunged them into the middle and there would have been no way back it's that simple. Easy to satisfy some people but remember Wicklow a division 4 team and Cavan felt they should be division 2 at least, Get rid of them all and start a fresh. Bring in people who will take no nonsense from anyone and do it their own way.

Not being funny, but who is the "them" you are talking about. For what its worth there is more than Carr at fault here but what we need is an inspirational figure. Someone that will demand with respect and inspire those around them. Carr has good qualities. He gets teams fit and I believe he is good on dicipline but anyone who has worked with him (and I know a few) will tell you he is drool and not very good on tactics. Not a lad that get the hairs standing on the back of your neck before a match. WHen you go to play Cork you need to be fired up coming out on the pitch thats for sure.

you must be joking about being fit they are far from it and also their trainer is not up to it

Now I feel Cork told us how good Johnston is just a small time player in division 3 and 4 games, people say he would walk onto any County team in the 32 counties well you got your answer here he is just not good enough. I have been saying it on another forum week after week that he is not good enough and off course the usual faces saying what would you know or what are you talking about, Yes time to sort out the problem and the sooner the better. What has come forward from the development squad sweet F all. Get rid of all these people and bring in fresh faces, bring in a man who will take no nonsense from players and another area of the county set up this is the only way or we will be forever living in the 40s and 50s. I hope that the County chairman will finally end Mr Carr's Mr Graham & Mr Hyland and their back room staff tenure and bring in new faces.

What gave you that impression full moon that we would do something? The sooner people on this tread and other treads realize that the whole game from the bottom to the top is in total disarray and an utter shambles. We need to get a complete new management and development that have the future of the game here in Cavan and the wider arena in mind. It's time the minor management were got rid off, the Under 21 the junior and now this so called senior county team management what a shambles.
I feel sorry for all that have passion about the game and those that had the misfortune of travelling to Clones last Sunday with the minors, the junior team last Friday week in Louth which I did and now this so called senior team get rid of everyone of the management right now this coming week before we become the laughing stock of the country if we are not all ready getting it.
Get people who have fresh ideas who will demand respect and the passion for the jersey those that will put County at a higher pedestal than their club.
The sooner that we here in Cavan realise that its like the blind leading the blind  and listening to people who don't have the county at heart just their own importance.
Come on all genuine supporters of the game be vocal and lets get all this mess sorted very soon before it gets any worse.