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Legally speaking I think the ICE officer has a workable defence and would even hear. Morally it is absolutely horrible.

I used to dream of living and working in the states. I'm dual qualified over there. I've now cancelled this years holiday to there. I can't see me being back during this term.

When Donegal played an ineligible player against Armagh two years ago they lost the points but Armagh didn't get them because they didn't lodge a protest.

Does the fact Down got the points mean the rules have changed about requiring protests or did Down protest?

Are there two Callum O'Neills or was I not following things well

I know this is probably abit late, but I can't wrap my head around this case. Completely bonkers. Was this creswell guy running some sort of a cult?

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/stark-similarities-between-jonathan-creswell-and-jimmy-savile/245020

Thought it very strange how this murder trial flew under the radar for so long (and that's before the full extent came out)

Bringing this back up as I watched the documentary that Sky done. It still is a shocking case and the cops handling of it was a disgrace. Had Creswells family connections within the police as it was being swept under the carpet from day one.
Would love to know who posted his bail and why was he even granted bail given his previous convictions.
That Robinson girl should have done time for what she did.

That's what gets me.. how in the fuc did he get bail? A previous for abuse of a woman and then a murder allegation. The judiciary seems to have no regard for women in cases of sexually and/or physically abused by men.. in this case murdered.

Never understood a murder accused getting bail when far lesser crimes don't mandate it.

The victims sister deserves an entry on this thread too.

The seriousness of the offence is not on its own a reason to refuse bail as that would strike at the heart of innocent until proven guilty.

Bail should only be refused on the basis of strictly construed criteria.

Namely risk of reoffending
Risk of flight
Risk of interests of justice.

It can be refused at a police station but not at court on the basis of ensuring the safety of the accused.

In theory risk of public disorder can also be a ground for refusal of bail but it's very high bar.

Seriousness of the offence may factor into some of those objections for example it might be argued that the risk of flight for someone facing a life sentence versus someone facing a 6 month sentence may be completely different but that's the extent of it. Or at least should be.

I've seen cases where police strongly object to bail.. for variety of reasons including persons a danger to women, evidence of crime 'compelling'... Magistrates no bail.. invariably rack up to the High Court ... bail granted.
Other cases (political) defendants practically interned for ages though that's a whole other debate maybe.

Every decision on bail will come down to its own facts as well as the human element of who the judge is but there's no policy in respect of bailing some and not bailing others.

England and Wales have even more stringent requirements to oppose bail with strict prosecution time limits which when missed make bail inevitable.

Even though it shouldn't be a factor availability of an address probably has the biggest impact on bail at the minute. I was reading earlier that apparently more than half of everyone in prison at the minute are remanded (ie had been refused bail) rather than sentenced.

I hear you. I suppose the cases that seem incredulous that a person got bail stick in the mind. I remember at the time thinking it was crazy Cresswell got bail.. and so it came to pass.

Yeah it's far from a perfect system but there is no perfect system and hindsight is always 20/20

Well done folks.  You just never know what way the old FF will go with the amount of injuries to big players.

My real problem this year alas. Drafted as the predicted best team and ended up 7th.

Good craic though looking forward to it next season.

I know this is probably abit late, but I can't wrap my head around this case. Completely bonkers. Was this creswell guy running some sort of a cult?

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/stark-similarities-between-jonathan-creswell-and-jimmy-savile/245020

Thought it very strange how this murder trial flew under the radar for so long (and that's before the full extent came out)

Bringing this back up as I watched the documentary that Sky done. It still is a shocking case and the cops handling of it was a disgrace. Had Creswells family connections within the police as it was being swept under the carpet from day one.
Would love to know who posted his bail and why was he even granted bail given his previous convictions.
That Robinson girl should have done time for what she did.

That's what gets me.. how in the fuc did he get bail? A previous for abuse of a woman and then a murder allegation. The judiciary seems to have no regard for women in cases of sexually and/or physically abused by men.. in this case murdered.

Never understood a murder accused getting bail when far lesser crimes don't mandate it.

The victims sister deserves an entry on this thread too.

The seriousness of the offence is not on its own a reason to refuse bail as that would strike at the heart of innocent until proven guilty.

Bail should only be refused on the basis of strictly construed criteria.

Namely risk of reoffending
Risk of flight
Risk of interests of justice.

It can be refused at a police station but not at court on the basis of ensuring the safety of the accused.

In theory risk of public disorder can also be a ground for refusal of bail but it's very high bar.

Seriousness of the offence may factor into some of those objections for example it might be argued that the risk of flight for someone facing a life sentence versus someone facing a 6 month sentence may be completely different but that's the extent of it. Or at least should be.

I've seen cases where police strongly object to bail.. for variety of reasons including persons a danger to women, evidence of crime 'compelling'... Magistrates no bail.. invariably rack up to the High Court ... bail granted.
Other cases (political) defendants practically interned for ages though that's a whole other debate maybe.

Every decision on bail will come down to its own facts as well as the human element of who the judge is but there's no policy in respect of bailing some and not bailing others.

England and Wales have even more stringent requirements to oppose bail with strict prosecution time limits which when missed make bail inevitable.

Even though it shouldn't be a factor availability of an address probably has the biggest impact on bail at the minute. I was reading earlier that apparently more than half of everyone in prison at the minute are remanded (ie had been refused bail) rather than sentenced.

I know this is probably abit late, but I can't wrap my head around this case. Completely bonkers. Was this creswell guy running some sort of a cult?

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/stark-similarities-between-jonathan-creswell-and-jimmy-savile/245020

Thought it very strange how this murder trial flew under the radar for so long (and that's before the full extent came out)

Bringing this back up as I watched the documentary that Sky done. It still is a shocking case and the cops handling of it was a disgrace. Had Creswells family connections within the police as it was being swept under the carpet from day one.
Would love to know who posted his bail and why was he even granted bail given his previous convictions.
That Robinson girl should have done time for what she did.

That's what gets me.. how in the fuc did he get bail? A previous for abuse of a woman and then a murder allegation. The judiciary seems to have no regard for women in cases of sexually and/or physically abused by men.. in this case murdered.

Never understood a murder accused getting bail when far lesser crimes don't mandate it.

The victims sister deserves an entry on this thread too.

The seriousness of the offence is not on its own a reason to refuse bail as that would strike at the heart of innocent until proven guilty.

Bail should only be refused on the basis of strictly construed criteria.

Namely risk of reoffending
Risk of flight
Risk of interests of justice.

It can be refused at a police station but not at court on the basis of ensuring the safety of the accused.

In theory risk of public disorder can also be a ground for refusal of bail but it's very high bar.

Seriousness of the offence may factor into some of those objections for example it might be argued that the risk of flight for someone facing a life sentence versus someone facing a 6 month sentence may be completely different but that's the extent of it. Or at least should be.

Without signing up to a subscription service like Veo, what would people recommend as budget hardware for recording games?

Would a go pro feasibly provide good enough quality if mounted on a suitable tripod pitchside?

I didn't have great joy with Go Pros when recording soccer. Ended up using two on opposite sidelines and it was only just about good enough.

For the sake of transparency I work for VEO now as a tester but even if I didn't I would still be impressed with the tech. Far from flawless but very good at what it does. They've sent me competitors products in the past to test and I haven't found one at the same level.

Veo do one at the moment where you connect 2 iPhones together. Haven't tried it yet but I hear good things about it and they were offering a cheap subscription to it not sure if they still do.

Newry, Armagh and Lisburn were the available answers. Armagh historically a city because of the cathedral and the diocese but tbh, I'd not overly criticise anyone for not knowing either Newry or Lisburn. Lisburn was only awarded city status in the last 10 or so years I think. Funny listening to Amol Rajan pronounce it "Banger".

23 years ago Lisburn became a city. Before it even had a hotel.

As a Tyronian I roared Niall clipped over the point after ref played advantage. Incredible moment in that game.

Ah it was special.

Could have choked him when he hit the post near the death though!!

Was that not Oisin O'Neill after a layoff from Grimley?

The thing that struck me about Grimleys point was that it was a mark as well (which is what I think the great advantage signalled by Hurson was for, a tackle within a yard of the mark) but Grimley ploughed on and took on the difficult shot on the run.

He will be missed next year. Particularly as I think Armagh will struggle greatly.

Stefan Campbell, Jemar Hall, Mark Shields O'Hanlan and Roland all lost to retirement, while Rory Grugan, Aidan Forker, Ben Crealey, Niall Grimley, Barry McCambridge and Connaire Mackin will all miss all or nearly all of at least the league for different reasons.

That coupled with a tough Ulster draw I think will probably see the end of a very good team

Almost sure it was Grimley, then they go up the field and Joe makes that block.

Yeah it's a shame we're losing so many this year, but hopefully we can get but O'Neills fit and available all year, plus Ciaran Mackin and Aaron McKay coming back were massive losses and will be some help if they're back fit.

yeah it was Grimley. After a lay off from Murnin I think

Watched it now. It was Grimley after a lay off from Conaty who had got it off Murnin. Always thought that was Oisin O'Neill. Now I want to know what he was doing coming out from full forward at that time of the game.

Don't remember Grimley shooting on the run. He turned and walloped it.

thats my recollection also

Yeah he got a great long ball from I think Oisin O'Neill, the Galway man was trying to tackle him but it would have been a mark, he turned and swung a great point from distance.

He won the ball got tackled, turned and took a few steps round another defender. I'd call that on the run but I can see why some might not.

[Was that not Oisin O'Neill after a layoff from Grimley?]

As a Tyronian I roared Niall clipped over the point after ref played advantage. Incredible moment in that game.

Ah it was special.

Could have choked him when he hit the post near the death though!!

Was that not Oisin O'Neill after a layoff from Grimley?

The thing that struck me about Grimleys point was that it was a mark as well (which is what I think the great advantage signalled by Hurson was for, a tackle within a yard of the mark) but Grimley ploughed on and took on the difficult shot on the run.

He will be missed next year. Particularly as I think Armagh will struggle greatly.

Stefan Campbell, Jemar Hall, Mark Shields O'Hanlan and Roland all lost to retirement, while Rory Grugan, Aidan Forker, Ben Crealey, Niall Grimley, Barry McCambridge and Connaire Mackin will all miss all or nearly all of at least the league for different reasons.

That coupled with a tough Ulster draw I think will probably see the end of a very good team

You're definitely wrong on the first point and hopefully wrong on the second.

Shows you how the mind plays tricks. From that day I had thought that was O'Neill but despite watching it hundreds of times since I never really checked it again.

I too hope I'm wrong on the second part

As a Tyronian I roared Niall clipped over the point after ref played advantage. Incredible moment in that game.

Ah it was special.

Could have choked him when he hit the post near the death though!!

Was that not Oisin O'Neill after a layoff from Grimley?

The thing that struck me about Grimleys point was that it was a mark as well (which is what I think the great advantage signalled by Hurson was for, a tackle within a yard of the mark) but Grimley ploughed on and took on the difficult shot on the run.

He will be missed next year. Particularly as I think Armagh will struggle greatly.

Stefan Campbell, Jemar Hall, Mark Shields O'Hanlan and Roland all lost to retirement, while Rory Grugan, Aidan Forker, Ben Crealey, Niall Grimley, Barry McCambridge and Connaire Mackin will all miss all or nearly all of at least the league for different reasons.

That coupled with a tough Ulster draw I think will probably see the end of a very good team

He's not in the Murphy-Lacey-McHugh-Boyle(x2) tier for us, but definitely the next one underneath. Brilliant player who'll go down as a Donegal legend.

It's a shame he wasn't five years younger, as the new rules are made for someone like him who excelled at coming out on the loop and shooting long range. Injuries definitely took their toll, both on him and on us. We were shaping up so nicely in 2018 in Bonner's first year when McBrearty suffered the cruciate injury in the Ulster Final after a brilliant campaign to that point, and we'd no one to pick up the slack in his place. Not saying we'd have won it, but we'd have put up better shows against Dublin and, in particular, Tyrone, when our relatively weak bench killed us down the stretch. 

I genuinely thought Donegal were going to win Sam that year before the injury. If memory serves where his club not also heavily favoured for Ulster that year before the injury?  A great player who I loved watching as a neutral. Not quite at Murphy's level but not too far below either. Not sure he will be a massive miss though given the strength of the current squad.

It gets worse
Any idea of timescales?

Think I was reading it was to go back before McAlinden next week for a speedy determination

Any indication what way that might go? If it is the same outcome is that the appeal dead in the water?

I haven't been about enough this week to have any real info. It's unusual that the Court would remit part of the case but go on to consider the Appeal anyway. So I imagine they will ask McAlinden for a finding. Then they will consider the issue themselves probably early new year but that's me putting 2 and 2 together.