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lads in fairness, there was few in the last 20 years who could lace Paddy mcnamees boots. connelly and mc cabe along with him would be my pick.
probably best to limit this to the past 30 years or something as we never seen mick higgins or the like do theyre thing

Lawerence, Flanagan has not even played well for his club in 2 years, i just expect IC footballers to be the standout men on show for their clubs sorry, i am showing a very negative attitude to the whole thing suppose its cause i am so pissed off with the CB, have to go and play a bloody game now at 2 o clock, on the last day of Oct, its a disgrace, and all the weekends of the summer i did nothing.

on the subject of midfielders actually fielding the ball, did anyone notice the ease  at which Tyrone changed their game plan when they played Antrim. they never attempted to contest the kickouts with antrim instead waited till mccann landed and swarmed him and dispossed him. from all the champ matches i have been at this summer i dont think i seen anyone who can field the ball well enough and is good enough to play at IC.

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i know these views might annoy a few people but that is the way i see it.

ur right there

galligan for all his dedication just is not good enough, mckenna served him a lesson in midfielding this year.

I remember reading this on this message board at the time and being a bit bemused. i was at that match and actually thought Galligan played quite well. People seem to be getting carried away with the fact that McKenna caught three balls in the first half from kickouts. that hardly amounts to giving a lesson to his opponent especially in light of what Galligan contributed himself that day. He kicked three points from play (out of 7 for his team i think). Won another free that was converted. He burned McKenna on quite a few occasions on some solo runs notably in the first half, at one stage McKenna lunged out at him to rugby tackle him as galligan flew past earning a yellow card.. Later in the 2nd half  McKenna got sent off for picking up his 2nd yellow. Drung won by a point. And McKenna gets lauded for a virtuoso performance?? Galligan caught one ball himself, and broke ball down to his half forward line in particular all day long. This is not meant to be a sleight on McKenna by the way, in fact i reckon if he wanted he could still do a job at intercounty level for cavan. i'm just pointing out what i perceive to be a lack of appreciation as to what Ciaran Galligan brings to the table. Galligan in my opinion is improving all the time.. come to think of it, he's quite similar to McKenna in that respect who was floating around the panel for a few years but didn't really start making a difference untill he was 26/27/28 ...and then he retired...
I reckon Galligan will be making a difference before he's 26. what is he? 23? just gone 24 maybe?

So what we are getting now is a big call to invest in the primary schools, invest in the secondary schools, invest in the minors, invest in the u21s. yes. of course. not that i trust our county board to do this effectively, they've been doing coaching now for ten years or so, what has it brought us? invest in the educators i say. invest in coaches/managers equip them to teach young lads not just technical but tactical skill sets too. cavan are so far behind in this regard its scary.

but just as important, lets bloody well invest in Ciaran Galligan. Right now investing in a player like him is just as important as investing in a prodigious 18 year old. because when that fella reaches 22 (realistically the youngest age that you can rely on him to consistently produce high performances) he's going to need a Ciaran Galligan beside him, influencing him, showing him dedication, and not a Laurence, or a Dermot, or a jason, showing him how to drink pints/eat pizza/complain/demoralise others around the panel/and fall out of shape... or what ever else was rumoured to have occurred over the past 10 years..

note to lawyers
(Laurence Dermot and Jason are totally fictious names, any resemblance to real people is totally coincidental and accidental)

well... its just a thought...

sorry, on reading things back, i did not make myself clear enough in my point about galligan/mckenna. to the best of my knowledge mckenna is 34/35, now if our first choice championship midfielder cannot outfield a man 10 years his senior then i am worried. you are right about all the good things galligan did, but you fail to mention how everything good that kill did that day went through mckenna, his distribution and general play was the bet of any kill player on show(now thats not saying much as the game was terrible)

on another point i do agree 100% with investing in the coaches for the schools and equipment, i know for a fact in my  local national school the kids are not allowed KICK a football, yes kick one!! they can play basketball at lunchtime and only kick a ball when the GAA coach comes in. this, in years to come will hamper my clubs players as they will have missed out on 5 of theyre most formative years as a gealic footballer!  its madness.

and anyway to be honest alot of lads could go. walsh did nothing all year including the 2nd half of the galls game where he was terrible. Flanagan has not put in a man of the match preformance for club or county in years everyone praises miller, yet he was the cause of almost every goal cavan conceded in the league this year, apart from longford when fintian was in nets.galligan for all his dedication just is not good enough, mckenna served him a lesson in midfielding this year.
i know these views might annoy a few people but that is the way i see it. too many small men on the team. I, for one am glad to see mckeever back but  not going to get carried away as he has let the side down before.

in short getting out of div 3 and doing slightly better in the back door will be a good year for cavan.  suit the county board better to focous on football in primary school and getting some good sctructures in place to bring these kids on. does anyone think it was a coidence that a year after contesteing the AI u21 final that we won ulster. until we start winning at underage again we will not be competitive at senior

heard joey jordan was asked to go in but declined.
garreth smith played on the 40 and kicked a point.
they might not be going anywhere with that taz lad in goals, biggest liability since the drumalee goalie in the lavey/drumalee match in breffni this year

Eddie played well alright in the 1st half. with 7 or 8 minutes to go though when he kicked a bad wide, seemed to show that he is a little off IC, that was to put 4 between the teams and effectively kill the game off and he didn't.
Eddie sometimes doesn't seem to realise the time he has on the ball as he tends to shoot without any sort of composure

Belturbet going well, who is over them?
could they be dark horses??

Tommy refused to resign!!! 
Im liking Tommy Carr more and more,its great hes not letting those useless shower of b*astards away easily by leaving.
Anyone see any possibilities within these chain of events,that Carr stays,and some or all of the main moutpieces of the county board get gate?
That would be the perfect scenario for me.

ideal situation but highly unlikely..

if it was put before the labour relations comission, they would probably recommend Carr gets more money!

[I took the names down.Obviously wouldnt hav put them up if I for one minute questioned where it came from.Somethings not right though.]

Cahill came on against Wicklow.

I took the names down.Obviously wouldnt hav put them up if I for one minute questioned where it came from.Somethings not right though.

fair enough, i know your not writing it for the sake of it... but i know 1 of them lads was not at it as i asked him.

on another note it has just came to my attention that after training monday night we had a quick meeting reguarding the Carr situation and a vote was cast.
some people spoke at the meeting and everyone was fit to voice their opinion if they so chose.
the vote was a show of hands in which 90% voted for Carr to stay.
the poeple pushing for Carr to go were, lets say more senior members of the club.
heres the problem, when our lads went down monday night, they dismissed the vote and went with their views and said our club would be voting no...
can this vote be counted??
is their any precident to this??

honestly this whole situation is making a laughing stock of the county, and could do serious damage to the IC team.
if they want to have a public vote it should be for county board officals

2 of the 3 names are wrong bogangles...
and in any case, was cahill a member of the panel at that stage??

[unless Castlerathan had a lot in reserve against Ramor, which I don't think they did.]

Can we get back to football?

Heard Jelly is away to New Zealand in the next couple of weeks. That will be difficult for the Gaels with Lyng injured and Walsh struggling.

Jelly will be a serious loss as will Lyng.
Dont think Walsh is that big of a miss.
a Few Gaels lads ive spoken to dont think he should be on the Gaels team at least not at midfield anyway.
If they havent lost some of their young talent like,McClarey,Niall Smith,Niall Murray, Maloney Derham,Martin Dunne to the States or Canada for the summer and combined with Experienced lads like Cormac Nelligan,i think they will be fine.

I'd have to agree after seeing quite a bit of the first round of champioship matches. I don't too many will trouble them unless Castlerathan had a lot in reserve against Ramor, which I don't think they did.

god i thought the rahan were cruising, i expect big things from this year

championship starts tomorrow night for the weekend, we have Corlough in Breffni, will be looking for a win, anyone else? who are ye playing/ your chances?

Hollowman, in your layoff maybe you can go to this site and find the answers to some of your problems, seriously, all you have done in the last month is cause rows on here...

http://socialphobic.co.uk/?tag=socially-inept

is this what it has come to lads??

yea read this in the post this morning, fact of the matter is this team would have serious flaws;
numbers 1 to 5 have no IC senior experience, neither has one of the midfield pairing and the other one wont play for Cavan no matter how much we write it up here or on the paper.
one of the half forward line is past it with another sure to be injured come this time 12 months.

to be honest a very naive and easy team to write on paper, which reeks of wishful thinking from the lads at the post.