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[The Cork players want to win games, my feeling is that Frank would prefer winning the argument over winning games.]

One thing strikes me (no pun intended..) & consider this for a moment   - why does only one name go forward for consideration for Cork hurling manager?? It doesn't cross the collective consciousness that an alternative should at least be considered?

Would that be credible in Kerry or Kilkenny if the incumbent manager's record was of a similar nature - no AI appearance, no MF honours - no silverware at all... ... I'm not saying that Gerard McCarthy should not have been selected but best practice (and common sense) dicate that alternatives should have been considered.

But it is quite normal and commonplace for sitting managers to be returned unopposed for another term? And presumably any club in any county that wants to nominate a challenger for a management position is entitled to do so, even if an incumbent holds the position already? Even Kilkenny and Kerry have been known to retain managers in years when they won nothing.

One thing strikes me (no pun intended..) & consider this for a moment   - why does only one name go forward for consideration for Cork hurling manager?? It doesn't cross the collective consciousness that an alternative should at least be considered?

Would that be credible in Kerry or Kilkenny if the incumbent manager's record was of a similar nature - no AI appearance, no MF honours - no silverware at all... ... I'm not saying that Gerard McCarthy should not have been selected but best practice (and common sense) dicate that alternatives should have been considered.

But it is quite normal and commonplace for sitting managers to be returned unopposed for another term? And presumably any club in any county that wants to nominate a challenger for a management position is entitled to do so, even if an incumbent holds the position already? Even Kilkenny and Kerry have been known to retain managers in years when they won nothing.

Retaining a manager is one thing, the fact that the committee that is responsible for selecting the new manager doesn't consider any another candidate is quite another, especially when many people (justifiably IMO) believe that Frank M is orchestrating this to return to the pre 2002 status . I take the point that unsuccessful managers are often retained but surely some sort of progress should have been shown to justify an automatic selection.

I think it's fair to argue that Cork hurling has probably lost ground since John Allen's time - now that shouldn't all be laid at Gerald's door - players with perhaps too many miles on the clock, competing in 4 AI finals in a row etc. are all factors too - but the questions should be asked of Gerald's managerial skills versus what else might be on offer as part of any logical assessment of the current state of play. That didn't take place because in my view

This is round 3 between Frank & the players.  My initial gut reaction on hearing about this to think the players had lost the run of themselves. Gerald Mac is a decent skin in my view and doesn't deserved to used and abused in this way. However having considered it a little bit more, I'm back to supporting the players (and feeling a bit sorry for Gerald ) as it all boils down to one thing for me - The Cork players want to win games, my feeling is that Frank would prefer winning the argument over winning games.

I've heard it said around home on many an occasion that Frank's messing costs Cork a title a decade. Why else is one of our most talented native sons  - Justin McCarthy not even discussed as a possible manager?

And before anybody starts giving the clubs and democracy argument - talk to someone who knows a little about the Cork CB and it's full time secretary.

[Landers also expected the players not to play for McCarthy and that Cork hurling will be set back 10 years.If Cork implode you'd have to think that 5 in a row is on - at least.]

Landers also expected the players not to play for McCarthy and that Cork hurling will be set back 10 years.

If Cork implode you'd have to think that 5 in a row is on - at least.

Nooooooooooooooooooo ... don't tell me I'm going to have to shout for Tipp  (swallow hard..) to stop the cats in the meantime - say it ain't so Joe..

Nothing good comes out of this. McCarthy, stung into stubbornness seems to have has decided to stay the course. Assuming nothing else changes, then a host of legends walk away and Cork hurling is forced to rebuild from a base far lower that anyone in the county could want - Year 0 here we come.



One thing strikes me (no pun intended..) & consider this for a moment   - why does only one name go forward for consideration for Cork hurling manager?? It doesn't cross the collective consciousness that an alternative should at least be considered?

Would that be credible in Kerry or Kilkenny if the incumbent manager's record was of a similar nature - no AI appearance, no MF honours - no silverware at all... Why would a county board committee entrusted with finding the best manager to bring hurling success to Cork, only consider one candidate when that one candidate is the incumbent with a average enough managerial record ? If it's even possible for a moment, set aside your personal opinions on Cork, Donal Og, Frank, the GPA etc  and ask yourself was that the best way to fill the position? I'm not saying that Gerard McCarthy should not have been selected but best practice (and common sense) dicate that alternatives should have been considered.

O'Se must be stupid!

As must all players who (continually) respond to verbal provocation about alleged sexual conduct of their loved ones - and that's entirely their (the players) own fault, isn't it screenexile?  Are you suggesting that sort of verbals is acceptable in the game?

Are you suggesting that this is what O'Neill was up to?

It's odd but I'm almost (stress on the almost) starting to feel sorry for O'Mahony.  

The diving incident has all the marks of a career defining moment. It's hard to judge until more time has elapsed to give a bit more perspective, but the level of general indignation out there makes me think that this incident will be forever foremost in peoples minds when the name Aidan O'Mahony is mentioned.


Can't imagine that's the legacy he would want.

O'Mahony should be vilified high and low - awful, awful behaviour. Not normally one for the 'think of the children' line of thinking but in this instance some sort of action should be taken even if it was just a statement condeming diving in general from GHQ. There are enough malign influences coming from the soccer world already without this sort of sh**te. Pr**k should be run out of town. Can't see many Kerry folk defending him on this one. Having said that D O'Connor was dumb even to touch him. His red card was harsh and another example of a bad decision in a poorly reffed game.

Crap game with an exciting finish. Cork were shockingly poor esp in the 2nd half. Can't believe they pulled a replay out of a game where they played so badly. They played better against Kerry in previous croke park outings and got walloped! Kerry's shooting was brutal.

Looking forward to Sunday Game - Spillane could lose plot as la 'puke' football comment.