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#1
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 22, 2025, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: ranch on October 22, 2025, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: Point-to-Point on October 22, 2025, 11:51:11 AMWhat's the basis for having Ballyholland and Saul as SFC teams when they were relegated to Division 2, and having Glenn as an IFC team after they were promoted to Division 1 and beat Ballyholland in the Championship?

Glenn are a senior team.

Glenn would not beat Clonoe, Coalisland or the Moy. I'm attempting to argue that there are too many teams competing in the senior and intermediate divisions.
#2
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 22, 2025, 11:41:06 AM
SFC- Kilcoo, Burren, Carryduff, Clonduff, Mayobridge, Loughinisland, CPN, RGU, Ballyholland, Saul, Bredagh, Saval
IFC- Glenn, Bryansford, Rostrevor, An Riocht, Castlewellan, Longstone, Drumgath, St Johns, Annaclone, Clann Na Banna, Liatroim, Darragh Cross
#3
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 21, 2025, 02:27:58 PM
I'd venture to predict that most club players in the county would want to eliminate championship relegation in senior and intermediate and to have the league associated with the championship.
#4
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 21, 2025, 08:56:19 AM
I am a believer that the league should be linked to the championship. The top 16/12 from the league should be in the senior championship with the IFC winners if they are below that.
There was nothing wrong with the old format and I have never witnessed a relegation championship game that seemed to have a massive feel about it. The Liatroim and Bryansford game this year was a non event.
#5
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 20, 2025, 03:46:29 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 20, 2025, 03:34:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 20, 2025, 12:18:09 PMShould the SFC and IFC be reduced to twelve teams each to improve standards?

How does that help the SFC? Less teams won't close the gap to Kilcoo. If you have a lot of Div 3 teams in the JFC it would make it very hard for the div 4 teams but you could argue most struggle anyway.

You could say it would make us more competitive at IFC & JFC in Ulster.

Yes, our records in IFC and JFC at provincial level have been poor in recent years. A Junior B title could be effective for teams knocked out of the first round of the junior (seeded draw based on league placings).  I don't believe our championships met very high standards. It is a debate that I believe we should and it would be interesting to hear peoples opinions.
#6
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 20, 2025, 12:18:09 PM
Should the SFC and IFC be reduced to twelve teams each to improve standards?
#7
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 15, 2025, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 14, 2025, 03:02:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 14, 2025, 08:50:03 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 13, 2025, 10:24:57 PMSo, we are County minor Football champions for the first time 😁. Absolutely supberb performance from every single player. Not the hard bit faced by near every club, get these fellas playing senior. So close to the minor double as well.

So next stop St Paul's

Well done, will you get many into senior football?
I do not think it will be your last

That's the dream, a few will no doubt make it, but only if they want to and are prepared to put the hard yards in.


Good to hear. Do you have many returning families to Bredagh these days.
#8
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 14, 2025, 08:50:03 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 13, 2025, 10:24:57 PMSo, we are County minor Football champions for the first time 😁. Absolutely supberb performance from every single player. Not the hard bit faced by near every club, get these fellas playing senior. So close to the minor double as well.

So next stop St Paul's

Well done, will you get many into senior football?
I do not think it will be your last
#9
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 13, 2025, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 12, 2025, 09:58:10 PMLooking at the managerial turnover across the football leagues, might we be approaching a point where a club or two will have no management team for the start of a season?

You need to be mad to take a senior team
#10
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 10, 2025, 11:57:25 AM
Quote from: outinfront on October 10, 2025, 11:51:34 AMThere was definitely at least 1 substitution during the added on 4mins if I remember correctly.

There was one (30 seconds) the game should have been blown up when Banbridge were in possession of the ball in the 5th minute of injury time. The ref gave Annaclone a chance to equalize but they won a two pointed free which they scored. Clann Na Banna should be outraged as referees are there to apply the correct timekeeping.
#11
General discussion / Re: Favourite Sandwich
October 10, 2025, 11:51:33 AM
Salt and vinegar Farmer Browns crisps on a fresh McCann's loaf with Kerry Gold butter
#12
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 10, 2025, 11:49:02 AM
Where did the added time come from?
#13
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 02, 2025, 09:08:04 AM
Would it make sense for the county board to reschedule the Carryduff and Burren game for Saturday or Monday in light of the weather warning for tomorrow night?
#14
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 01, 2025, 03:11:00 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 30, 2025, 12:04:21 PM
Quote from: clonian on September 30, 2025, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 30, 2025, 07:28:29 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 29, 2025, 02:49:33 PMDropping down from senior to intermediate seems unfair.

If we were winning Ulster Intermediate club championships by the bucketload then I'd agree with you.

The current format allows those yoyo clubs an opportunity to get exposed to senior hurling and develop accordingly.

If we revert back to the enclosed senior championship we used to have, intermediate and junior we'd end up with probably only 4 teams in the senior, for me that would be a step backwards in terms of overall development.

I can see how the teams competing at Intermediate might feel it's unfair to have the two senior teams parachuted in at the semi-final stage with the only solace is a home semi-final, but what we have now is better than what went before, it isn't perfect, but what we have now will help develop hurling more IMO.



The Ulster thing is more to do with how other counties set that up too - same at Junior with some of the Derry teams involved.

If the intermediate teams aren't improving but the senior championship is getting better it's probably better for the county team. You'd wonder then is it better to drop the intermediate teams to junior and have the bottom 2 at senior as your intermediate final. Maybe add in a Junior A for the lower teams in Junior to fall down to. It feels like the teams outside the senior championship now don't have the resources to ever push to where Liatroim, Bredagh and Carryduff are. Maybe CPN and Castlewellan disagree with that.

I fail to see how some intermediate teams expect to improve when they don't fulfil a lot of their league fixtures, especially when they have to travel to play the Ards seconds team.

Our seconds didn't fulfil their last league fixture as they were pissed off with having to trek to South Down to yet another team that can't travel to us.

We fulfilled every other game we could with whoever was available.

For me Castlewellan are the only team outside the senior championship teams with the structures in place to bridge the gap from intermediate, even though they're currently in the junior championship.

Down don't need a junior B, there's not enough teams to justify it.
Is there that big of a gap in standard between Newry, Clonduff and the likes of KBD and even East Belfast?



Would Warrenpoint, Hilltown and Newry not have the numbers to bridge the gap ?
#15
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
September 29, 2025, 02:49:33 PM
Dropping down from senior to intermediate seems unfair.