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Kerry would destroy that Donegal team. Amount of meath wides is unreal. Donegal kick outs very predictable

Worst call of the year not having Harte on at half time. Bizarre McKernan would be in before him.

Ball in was atrocious at times, and in general Tyrone refused to use the open spaces.

Harte, mckerarn and Ruairi in at half time and hampsey off clifford. No idea why O'Rourke left it so long

Old systems thinking with new rules. Definitely underwhelming considering he was heavily involved in the FRC.


Tyrones kicking was brutal, wasn't a whole lot of pressure on a lot of the misses.

Bradley as usual didnt do much; waste of a sub.

You can talk tactics but ultimately a lot of the players have a lot of personal work to do.

Wouldnt agree with that. No point bringing on subs when game is over and expecting miracles. Subs need brought out with time to get up to speed. Systems are there to get the best out players.

Considering orourke was involved with creating the new rules i am very disappointed at his approach this year.

All in all its a disappointing year for O'Rourke. Yes we were in semi final but realistically we went in hope today rather than a real belief we would win.

My main issues with this year as below-

Thought O'Rourke would have worked on a few players to kick 2 pointers from earlier this season. We dont have anyone reliable at this level.

Very slow game plan when we have skillful out and out forwards. Game plan doesn't suit our players. Either change the play or find a big full forward.

Tactis wrong at crucial times. Starting with best team today instead of ending with it. Keeping an older hampsey on an on fire clifford. No peter or ruari until game essentially gone.

Lack of goal threats all year.

Need more positivity in our play instead of endless recycling.

Need a big improvement next year. Promotion to division 1 and ulster final appearance.

What was with the advantage rule? A few times joe waves advantage tyrone scored and was brought back for a free? Thought advantage was only beought back if there was no obvious advantage or if there was a wide

McKernan a clinker footballer but gets in all the shit that a typical Coalisland footballer gets into.

McKernan is at it all the time. However, today when he came on his injured shoulder was blatantly targeted by Joe O'Connor who instigated the shit. Does anyone call O'Connor out?

David Clifford is not behind the door on the shithousery either btw. He's always a willing participant. But he's brilliant, and a forward so the halo remains.

If you saw that on TV I don't know how you can say that with any certainty whatsoever as it just cut to the pair of them and McKernan running into O'Connor. Given the way O'Connor was laughing at the whole situation, to me it seemed much more logical that he was the one being targeted.

It showed on tv mckernan running and oconnor driving the shoulder in him. Mckernan is no innocent flower but this case it was kerry men targeting a weakness

Few things tyrone got wrong. Keeping Hampsey on Clifford when writing on the wall in first 25 min. Starting mcelhom, his speed should have been kept for last 35 mins. Very late bringing petey on.

Big year for orouke next year to implement his system on this tyrone team

Switch Hampsey off clifford, bring on meyler. Move mccurry to a more inside role, move Canavan out to a more play maker role

Thank f**k for that nasty smack from Daly. Now all the Tyrone ones can shut the f**k up about Murphy tomorrow.

One smack vs every tackle murphy does lol

Know what you're getting at but McGeeney and McGuinness very different types. I'd imagine Jim's type of management has a short shelf life before players start getting sick of him.

Same as gallagher. Players buy into it but the training and work involved has a short lifespan as players cant sustain it. If you dont win within 2-3 years it aint going to happen.

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

Unlike Tyrone, Armagh don't seem to have the same rate of high standard players coming through from underage, he could only do so much in those early days.  As an Armagh man. to get them back competing is something in itself.     

You would imagine O'Rourke will be at the helm of Tyrone for 4/5years at least (barring a disaster).  On the back of 3 AI u20 winning sides I would expect big things from Tyrone in next few years. 

So far he has not won an Ulster and gotten them relegated from division 1.  Not a great start for him. 

 

Don't think any team would wait 5 years for a championship win. Armaagh had

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

Unlike Tyrone, Armagh don't seem to have the same rate of high standard players coming through from underage, he could only do so much in those early days.  As an Armagh man. to get them back competing is something in itself.     

You would imagine O'Rourke will be at the helm of Tyrone for 4/5years at least (barring a disaster).  On the back of 3 AI u20 winning sides I would expect big things from Tyrone in next few years. 

So far he has not won an Ulster and gotten them relegated from division 1.  Not a great start for him. 

 

Agree not a great start but don't think we will wait 5 years for a championship win without changing the manager. Armagh had good players during that period, don't think you can say its all down to the players. Good managers inspire players and develop tactics that suit the team. Mcgeeney was there in backroom from 2013 to 2015 then as manager from 2015 to now. Essentially 12 years without an ulster title.

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

[People are forgetting that kerry were getting beat for majority of that match.]

20 minutes of football is doing an awful amount of heavy lifting for Darragh's argument on Kerry there.

In the same way that Tyrone can go out against Donegal and put in a very good performance but look like a reserve team the next week against Mayo, Kerry can blow hot and cold like anyone else.

And to be honest, it has been lukewarm for the most part.

That 15-20min spell could be kerrys undoing. People are forgetting that kerry were getting beat for majority of that match. While that spell was fantastic aramgh did absolutely nothing to stop it. They kept trying the same tactic.

O'se questions if tyrone can kick a few 2 pointers like they did against Dublin. Obvious question should have been can kerry score 14 points out of 14 attacks again.

I said before that the kerry game defensively armagh werent great. Would say tyrones defense will be better than Armaghs.

What game were you watching? Kerry lead from the start up to Grugans goal after 29mins. Then went back in front no more than 3 mins later. McElroy put Armagh 1 up with the last kick of the half.
From 43rd minute when Clifford kicked a 2 pointer to finish Kerry,led all the way. Armagh were ahead for a sum total of around 9/10 minutes.

Point was kerry were hardly dominating armagh until that 15min spell. Armagh led in 29 min, kerry pulled it back but then Armagh went in front before half time until kerry drew level in the 45min when they got 14 points in 14 shots

20 minutes of football is doing an awful amount of heavy lifting for Darragh's argument on Kerry there.

In the same way that Tyrone can go out against Donegal and put in a very good performance but look like a reserve team the next week against Mayo, Kerry can blow hot and cold like anyone else.

And to be honest, it has been lukewarm for the most part.

That 15-20min spell could be kerrys undoing. People are forgetting that kerry were getting beat for majority of that match. While that spell was fantastic aramgh did absolutely nothing to stop it. They kept trying the same tactic.

O'se questions if tyrone can kick a few 2 pointers like they did against Dublin. Obvious question should have been can kerry score 14 points out of 14 attacks again.

I said before that the kerry game defensively armagh werent great. Would say tyrones defense will be better than Armaghs.

The worry with that is Kerry pole axing Mcelholm early.

Canavan is not firing, McCurry was poor by his own standards last day.

Do you bench one of them and hope they'll have the character to come in later and blaze over a few?

McKernan is a huge blow, have to fancy Kerry by 5 or so.

If its as hot as forecast Paudie may lag towards end. A game that suits the young lads, ruairi canavan has had a frustrating year...the space created by new rules in Croker should really suit him.

Would bench Darragh and start mcelhom. McCurry had one off day all year, he has proven time and time again hes a class act and can turn it on from off the bench.

Darragh has been poor for majority of the year. Benching him and showing he cant live off his name might ignite a fire within him.

Bradley is lively and is back from injury. Definitely worth at least 20 mins from the bench.

Tyrone need direct running at the kerry defence and not this current hand passing around the half way line. Quick early ball into mcelhom and mccurry will have kerry on the back foot. Throw in a few long balls by rotating a few big men in the square and tyrone will edge it.