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Second race situation becoming very prevalent. Mullinsfavourite 11/10 beaten 20 lengthy Mullins outsider. Other race Mullins and Elliott had six runners each. Both great trainers but puntersbeing turned off

There was a difference in 500 in attendance which can be attributed to the weather. Unless you've another stat to back up the fact that punters are being turned off? Everyone goes to see a horse win, whether it was a 20/1 outsider or not, maybe Draconien just had his day today. What a load of dung about trainers, Dublin are dominating GAA, is the All Ireland Final attendance down???

Punchestown will always get the crowd. Go to the meetings in Roscommon  Wexford and see what turns up and the age profile.
A situation where two thirds of horses in a race come from just two stables is a bad reflection on the industry

I mean (by way of an example) if you're mid bet say with a 5 team accum at evens and 4 are up & 1 drawing with 20 mins to go, if you staked £20, they'd likely be offering you £40-60 by this stage - statistically speaking I think it makes sense to take your profit and go. More often than not I let it ride and get £0

The way I look at it is would I be happy with getting the cash out from my initial outlay.

In above example would I be happy getting £40 from a £20 bet - the answer would be no because if that is what I wanted to win I would have backed one even money shot.

The small odds offered on football will not give the big payout that the punter wants
That's why they go for the five six team accumulator which might pay six to one etc.
However there are punters prepared to throw 500 at 4/5 to win 400. If it works out great if not too bad

Did no one see this last night. Surely one of the biggest scandals to hit a state agency.

Article below

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/he-took-my-virginity-away-from-me-at-9-i-can-never-get-that-back-woman-on-horrific-abuse-by-beast-36839929.html

Basically a foster family have kids, one of whom has the courage to report repeated rape. HSE found complaint credible yet still sent more kids there and more rapes ensueing. One child was raped at 6 years old.

So what does it take for heads to roll in this country. Its absolutely sickening. TUSLA and HSE should be disbanded and started from scratch at this stage. Maybe Tony Fearan had a point after all, there would be 50 pages of discussion on this if it was the catholic church involved.

Whoever in the HSE was made aware of the case and didn't inform the Guards needs to be called to account and as you say that's every bit as bad as the goings on in the Catholic institutions.

Edit, It turns out that the family did inform the Gardai who filed a case with the DPP who didn't prosecute for whatever reason and it seems that it was only when the other girl "Amy" came forward again that the charges were pressed!

Some mess altogether.

Yes but they continued to allow foster children to go to this house which is inconceivable.

If there is any question of abuse no child should be left with a family. More politically correct innocent until proven guilty shite

Aye. Cowards is a better label.

Indeed. Even after all the improvements in stadiums, stewarding, policing there is a small core of scumbags attached to many clubs. It used be called the English disease but all over the continent in places like Poland Italy Hungary these so called "Ultras" who, when they behave are seen as providing atmosphere, are acting the bollix and creating threatening environments at games and outside the grounds. What is the point of going to matches if you have to enter an environment of heavy security, searching etc?

From the game view Liverpool are putting down a marker for the next few years. It's a pity Manchester City built up an early lead in the Premiership. I wonder how good they would be going in to the last few games if Salah and the boys were on their heels

Second race situation becoming very prevalent. Mullinsfavourite 11/10 beaten 20 lengthy Mullins outsider. Other race Mullins and Elliott had six runners each. Both great trainers but puntersbeing turned off

I'm not assuming that's your position, it's when the media have headlines like Catholics to me in the majority by 2020 eg. I know lots of Catholics who would prefer to stay part of the UK than a UI, mainly those that are civil servants, work in health and education.

You will be attacked for that suggestion but I believe that there is a significant amount of Catholics that would be happy to stay with Britain. Unless the Republic and those advocating a U.I. come up with a very strong economic argument those people wont change their minds.
I would believe that the country would be better off and that the potential for a good economy is there through agriculture tourism fishing pharma and I.T. but its not worth a civil war

People working health and education would carry on in their jobs are usual.
However, the general point is that people are fully entitled to ask for a proper plan and almost as many people from a Protestant background would be looking carefully at this. One problem is that the main nationalist party in the 6 counties has little economic credibility and spend their time telling the people of the 26 counties how badly off they are.

Provided the present Brexit crisis can be sorted then there is time to have a thorough discussion on these issues.

You obviously havent read the "main nationalist party" money grows on trees economic policy

I have read it, I just don't believe it.

Of course their "magic beans" policy should get a lot of support as well

I'm not assuming that's your position, it's when the media have headlines like Catholics to me in the majority by 2020 eg. I know lots of Catholics who would prefer to stay part of the UK than a UI, mainly those that are civil servants, work in health and education.

You will be attacked for that suggestion but I believe that there is a significant amount of Catholics that would be happy to stay with Britain. Unless the Republic and those advocating a U.I. come up with a very strong economic argument those people wont change their minds.
I would believe that the country would be better off and that the potential for a good economy is there through agriculture tourism fishing pharma and I.T. but its not worth a civil war

People working health and education would carry on in their jobs are usual.
However, the general point is that people are fully entitled to ask for a proper plan and almost as many people from a Protestant background would be looking carefully at this. One problem is that the main nationalist party in the 6 counties has little economic credibility and spend their time telling the people of the 26 counties how badly off they are.

Provided the present Brexit crisis can be sorted then there is time to have a thorough discussion on these issues.

You obviously havent read the "main nationalist party" money grows on trees economic policy

[It is a nonsense to ask people to vote otherwise.]

The assumption that everyone from a Nationalist background would vote for a UI is way off the mark

This is peddled all the time. It should be qualified by saying the assupmtion that anyone would vote for a UI without knowing what it means for them and society is wrong. The challenge for nationalists and I believe that both SDLP and SF are now starting to get to grips with this, is what it would look like, how it affects peoples pockets and what will loyalist reaction be. It is a nonsense to ask people to vote otherwise.

It sounds a bit like asking people to vote for Brexit without having a fciking clue what it would mean. Imagine!

That would never happen. The British are too intelligent to even think about that.

Would like to do a wee bet  (£5) a week on the soccer,  any advice on what type of bet , apart from not to bother!
Wouldn't bet at all, not even the National,  but would be a bitacraic

I do a £5 football accumulator bet most Saturdays, usually 5-6 teams, haven't won for about 5years😩

You are probably throwing in an outsider to boost your return. Great if it works out but its not an outsider for nothing.

e.g. Over ten seasons Man Utd will beat West Brom probably 7 times draw twice and lose once in the home fixture. Why bet against those odds?

[1988]

Would like to do a wee bet  (£5) a week on the soccer,  any advice on what type of bet , apart from not to bother!
Wouldn't bet at all, not even the National,  but would be a bitacraic

I do a 1 euro yankee each weekend on the first to score which costs 11 euro. The one time the four selections clicked ( Shearer Owen Van Nistleroy Davies) I pulled 1988.
Since then I have often got two correct or three correct ( three doubles and a treble) which gives a nice return.
I have my favourites and often the individual price might be only 5/2 but if you get a few together it adds up. I pick four from across the divisions and Europe.
Kane , Salah, Huyton Luton, Marriott of Peterboro, Akinfenwa , Ronaldo, Messi, Griesmann,Belotti of Torino. are all regulars. The problem is picking the right four.
Akinfenwa is due a turn usually around 4/1

One winner in 30 years is hardly worth it.

Where did you get the 30 years? Read the post before making stupid comments

I pulled 1988 i.e. 1988 euros not placed the bet in 1988. I also referred to getting three results correct a number of times which gives a combination of a treble and three doubles which gives a very good payout.

Would like to do a wee bet  (£5) a week on the soccer,  any advice on what type of bet , apart from not to bother!
Wouldn't bet at all, not even the National,  but would be a bitacraic

I do a 1 euro yankee each weekend on the first to score which costs 11 euro. The one time the four selections clicked ( Shearer Owen Van Nistleroy Davies) I pulled 1988.
Since then I have often got two correct or three correct ( three doubles and a treble) which gives a nice return.
I have my favourites and often the individual price might be only 5/2 but if you get a few together it adds up. I pick four from across the divisions and Europe.
Kane , Salah, Huyton Luton, Marriott of Peterboro, Akinfenwa , Ronaldo, Messi, Griesmann,Belotti of Torino. are all regulars. The problem is picking the right four.
Akinfenwa is due a turn usually around 4/1

I'm not assuming that's your position, it's when the media have headlines like Catholics to me in the majority by 2020 eg. I know lots of Catholics who would prefer to stay part of the UK than a UI, mainly those that are civil servants, work in health and education.

You will be attacked for that suggestion but I believe that there is a significant amount of Catholics that would be happy to stay with Britain. Unless the Republic and those advocating a U.I. come up with a very strong economic argument those people wont change their minds.
I would believe that the country would be better off and that the potential for a good economy isthere through agriculture tourism fishing pharma and I.T. but its not worth a civil war

I don't know how the rest of you all feel but I am starting to worry more about what the British have planned for over here. You can be sure our interests will not matter one fook.

And you can be sure that Merkel, Macron and the right wingers in Austria Poland Hungary etc arent too concerned about us either. Maybe if we offered Putin the use of Knock Airport we might be looked after

It's the gambling on anything and everything that gets me. Football...how many corners, free kicks. Yellow cards etc

I agree with you on that. The followers of the horses are an older generation. I have seen lads in the clubhouse on the phones betting on the soccer a lot. They might back Kane Messi Salah etc to score the first goal. If he doesnt they will then take the option that he will score next on thebalance of probabilities. I read in a local paper one weekend whike in Wexford of some young lad pulling over 7000 from Paddy Power using is phone account. Its a far cry from a shilling each way on Pigotts horse in the Derby

The people whining about Mickey Harte etc getting involved in a political issue are the same ones who wanted the GAA to come out in support of hunger strikers etc