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Exactly my point zulu. Digging their heels in is the perfect way to describe it.

MR2 why are referees so reluctant to admit mistakes? I know this isn't necessarily a Gaelic problem, as we often hear calls for premiership referees to come out and say they had made an honest mistake, but it never happens.

I think referees (wrongly) believe asking for help/advice is a sign of weakness. If they approached a situation where they are unsure of the decision in the correct way, I would actually have more respect for them. Some referees can be very stubborn, ploughing ahead with decisions and not listening to genuine advice or enquiries from players/managers/other officials

And players should also be a bit more honest in their game also

Agreed, it should work both ways.

I wonder could we implement what is used in rugby where only the captain can talk to the referee. I see one of the candidates, or potential candidate to be exact, in the running for the next FIFA presidency wants to bring this rule into soccer.

I think referees (wrongly) believe asking for help/advice is a sign of weakness. If they approached a situation where they are unsure of the decision in the correct way, I would actually have more respect for them. Some referees can be very stubborn, ploughing ahead with decisions and not listening to genuine advice or enquiries from players/managers/other officials

I haven't seen that picture before but I'm pretty sure its real. Wasn't he at the final last year??

Bit of a mix up down in Kerry, i think there could be a number of incidents like this during the early parts of the club and county seasons....

Gaelic football's new black card rule caused controversy in a schools games yesterday.

Dingle's Barra O Suilleabhain was issued with both a yellow and a black card during his side's extra-time defeat of Colaiste Chriost Ri in the Corn Ui Mhuiri quarter-final at Killarney yesterday.

Under the new rule, that equates to a red card but referee Kevin Walsh allowed the Kerry school to replace the midfielder.

Chriost Ri selector Ephie Fitzgerald - a former Cork minor football manager - explained to the Irish Daily Star: "Their midfielder got yellow-carded in the first half, maybe after 20 minutes.

"Then after ten or 12 minutes of the second half, he got a black card. We pointed it out to the linesman, but the referee was having none of it.

"I said to him at the time and I said it to him after the game. The referee's attitude to me was 'I'll send you to the stand if you don't go away'.

"And I wasn't being in any way aggressive, I was just asking the question, which I was disappointed in."

But if you tackle properly you're fine. If you pull/hold my arm, which is often what tacklers do, then I'm both off balance and more limited in my ability to solo the ball as I've only one arm to control the ball. I think it is reasonable to allow the fouled player a bit of leeway to break free of the fouling player and play on. I agree though it is interpretative and will, as a result, be inconstantly applied but that is always going to be the case as long as we have humans reefing the games. I often hear people going on about how good rugby refs are but they interpret things differently too so consistency is beyond us.

So thats why refs are inconsistent, they are reefing 

I agree almost entirely with what you have said zulu, a player can be off balance in a tackle and should be allowed a bit of leeway in regards steps when breaking away from the tackle. I think that is how it has been anyway.

When considering gumshields for underage players, how many will they need during their playing careers if they play right up to adult level? I'm sure their mouths/teeth are continuing to grow and develop from 10 right up til 18/19. They would need a new gumshield every couple of years.

You should train as a dentist now, be a fair bit of money in it with the gumshields!!!! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Unfortunately it is a bit late for that. And i think there was plenty of money in dentistry before this

When considering gumshields for underage players, how many will they need during their playing careers if they play right up to adult level? I'm sure their mouths/teeth are continuing to grow and develop from 10 right up til 18/19. They would need a new gumshield every couple of years.

I agree, all players will just get on with it and wear one, but I just don't think they are a necessity whereas helmets in hurling are.

Who is saying it will make you a worse footballer? Its whether or not its a necessary piece of equipment. The helmet in hurling is of far more importance than a gumshield is in football. Did anyone have any problems with the helmet being made compulsory? I can't believe it was only 2010 when it was introduced when the dangers of a head injury are so apparent.

I would hope the free kick would be given at the spot of the second foul if it is more advantageous.

There are an awful lot more head injuries in hurling than there are mouth injuries in football. I just don't see the need for this rule to have been brought in.

Do you agree the rossfan that a player shouldn't be able to play if he forgets his gumshield. the shout often goes around the changing room 'anybody spare socks/shorts'....people will forget it at some stage

got this from the gaa website

ROLE OF THE REFEREE
If a player refuses to comply with a Referee's instruction to wear a mouthguard, he will incur the penalty as outlined in (Rule 6.2, Rules of Foul Play, The Playing Rules of Football, Official Guide, Part 2, 2012) 'Caution the offender; order off if he persists'.

Order off if he persists??  If he doesnt have a mouthguard at the start of the game, hes not going to have one 20 minutes in so I guess the player is essentially sent off?

What if you forget to take it with you?  Does that mean you have to sit out the game?  Cant expect people to share gumshields FFS
Its a pathetic rule.

Yes im thinking the same christmas lights. If a player has no gumshield or forgets it or something, then the manager will have to leave him out of the team. Crazy.

Will the madness never end Smort?

Im just surprised management and backroom staff don't have to wear them as in many cases they are just as likely to get a slap   

got this from the gaa website

ROLE OF THE REFEREE
If a player refuses to comply with a Referee's instruction to wear a mouthguard, he will incur the penalty as outlined in (Rule 6.2, Rules of Foul Play, The Playing Rules of Football, Official Guide, Part 2, 2012) 'Caution the offender; order off if he persists'.

Order off if he persists??  If he doesnt have a mouthguard at the start of the game, hes not going to have one 20 minutes in so I guess the player is essentially sent off?

What if you forget to take it with you?  Does that mean you have to sit out the game?  Cant expect people to share gumshields FFS
Its a pathetic rule.

Yes im thinking the same christmas lights. If a player has no gumshield or forgets it or something, then the manager will have to leave him out of the team. Crazy.