Quote from: sligoman on June 19, 2019, 11:05:34 PMI am going to start on your latest post about McGuinness, he was huge prospect but that injury he got and was year out looks to have curtailed his progress massively. Never really regained what he had.Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 19, 2019, 10:32:18 PM
Hiring Taylor fast tracked retirements not that, that was a bad thing. If OHara knew writing was on the wall why did he even bother going for the job?
I think with a better manager we could of stayed up, Beat Down and offaly, and who knows. So much self defeatist jargon coming out.
The experience the younger players are getting now, is a losing mentality. Losing consistently is not good experience. Are we learning, I don't think so. It is very unlikely mcdonnell ever plays for us again, and Cian is showing no signs of going home here.
Do you honestly think Taylor is the man to develop the young players? When do results matter where Taylor is concerned?
I have to disagree there, we have a bunch of kids, the club scene in the county must be one of the worst in the country and as for fast tracking retirements, it had to be done whether voluntary or forced. Guys like Egan, Breheny, Harrison and Donovan have been terrific servants to the county and stayed on the last few years to help the side out when it would have been much easier to walk away - but we had to turn a new page at some point and while the short term they may have helped us this year, the bottom line is other players are getting the opportunity.
Losing experience is experience, I think we would have been far better suited in Division 4 this year. Next year we start at the level that football in Sligo is currently at, that's where we are at in the present. The good thing is the squad is young, they will improve and get acclimatised to the demands of senior football.
It will be 3 or 4 years before Sligo have realistic ambitions of getting back to a decent level, who the best man is to bring that on we will see but I think you need to be realistic. It's been the same moans with Flanagan, Carew, Corey and now Taylor, the players aren't there. We've been relying on veterans who have been well past their best to carry this team on their back in recent years. You look at when Kevin Walsh left - how many decent players are in Sligo from the ages of 23-29 right now? Murphy, McDonnell, possibly Cian Breheny? That is it, Sligo football has been an utter embarrassment for years. We seemed to have turned a corner at underage in recent years but for about 7 or 8 years before that we endured hammerings after hammerings.
I remember McDonnell and Breheny playing in an u21 Connacht Championship game a few years back where they lost to Roscommon by about 30 points. The results of the senior teams are the results of years of ineptitude at county board level - a manager can't fix problems that are that deep rooted. We have the young players coming through now, it will take them time but there is reason for optimism down the line but I could have down you 5 years ago to write off the next few years.
We should be looking at the likes of Derry who look to have used a terrible year last year to press the reset button and build to the future, I don't see what changing the manager will accomplish when the manager hasn't been the problem for the past 5 odd years.
Out of interest, what players that are playing for Sligo right now would you say are at the right level? I'd say we have about 5 players in our squad capable of holding their own at Div 2 level, many of them are very green and will develop and grow but right now that's about it.
The Club scene for me is irrelevant in some ways, having been involved myself, most of the county players don't really care about the club, there focus is county, they rarely play club, thats been my first hand experience. Secondly our club scene has been terrible for years for the most part but yet we got to connacht finals in 2010, 2012 and 2015 and underage connacht finals in 2015 and 2017 and various connacht finals in schools and AI b titles. You talk about underage, we have been more than competitive for years now, the schools success, what has come through from the David maye underage teams years ago, the niall murphy u21 side was good, etc... how did we f**k that up, look at all the managers you named, none of them were any good. The point is whatever the state of the club scene the teams we have had the last few years we should be in a hell of alot better position than we are now.
Saying we don't have the players is is a cop out, purely designed to take the heat off Taylor and CB, do you think all those retirees saw the manager selection, why is Kyle Cawley not involved, why isnt Cian at home, what happened the minors of 2015, u21s of 2017, what did we do to develop them, what have we learned. The key bit we could change is at least select a manager with pedigree and experience o developing players. We seem blind and head in the sand in this regard.
Picking consistently poor managers is not doing us any favours. But for sure for me the CB are more accountable. Taylor has no clue or experience in developing players. He has no clue how to get this team to learn. He cant even get them to translate great training apparently to on the field. He cant communicate without waffling.
Win or learn. We are not learning. Give me one example how we learned from Mayo connacht final in 2015. 4 yrs later and we are conceding 5 goals to Louth. The CB have picked a rookie inexperienced manager, even less experienced than flanagan, carew, corey. No lessons learned there. What have we learned in terms of developing players.
Sligoman you refer to 1 hamnmering our u21s got, we got to a u21 final which we could of won in ealry 2010s, our minors ran Galway close in those years when they were winning AIs, mentioning mcdonnell tells me your completely out of touch.
CK direct question, what on earth tells you Taylor can develop players compared with other previous managers? Give me one example that makes you think we are learning? Our CB aren't by the looks of things.
