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Fact of the matter is Norn Ireland is a basket case, economy held up by public sector workers swinging the lead and getting their big pensions. The Republic doesn't want us, the Brits would love to get rid if us and we are so tied to the British treasury their is no chance we could ever stand on our own two feet.

Some amount of sweeping statements

Proof please of where the Republic doesn't want ye.

Would Tipp/Mayo get within 5/6 points of them

Rumours (only rumours) of Cheddar getting Mick Dempsey on board with Niall Corcoran staying on, Brendan Bugler also ?
Would be impressive, I'd be delighted to see Corcoran stay on

Fingers crossed if that was the case

An excellent mix

I bow to no one in my admiration of Cheddar and all he has done for hurling in this county.

I hope he has driven a hard bargain with the county board as regards nailed on commitments to what resources he needs because he has been let down by them both in relation to his grand plan for hurling in the county and also during his previous tenure.

The reality is that,given all that's gone on,any credible candidate outside the county was going to give it a swerve and Cheddar has taken the top table out of a hole

I hope they appreciate it with deeds and not words

Nearly all second bites of the inter county managerial cherry end in disaster

I hope he bucks this trend and I look forward to seeing his backroom team

One final wish,will the lads refusing to commit please realize how close we are to the likes of Clare and please please please get on board.

Meath must be the ones to beat here after dismantling the Dubs.

Heard they are a serious outfit.

Our lads played them up in Dunganny during the summer and copped a bit of a beating off them back in May/June

We would have it all to do to stay competitive if we get over Carlow

Can't beat some fake news on a Thursday morning. You've gone 360 now with your stories.

How is it fake news when it was said at a county board meeting?.

Any of ye wanted to make a stab as to the excuse as to why championship games aren't played outside of OMP

Are you serious??? Not a first at all. Would make me wonder if you ever attended any yourself.

On your other point- Simple logic my friend.
I assume your point was that I couldn't comment on the role of a CB delegate if I hadn't ever been one?
Well I assume this extends to commentating on other areas?
Such as
The needs of an IC hurling set up
The merits of prospective coaches
The ability of CB officials
Etc etc.

Or does it only apply to commenting on CB delegates & monthly meetings?

Is anyone stopping you from commenting on other topics

I'm not

I've spoken on all those topics also

I'll even give another one to discuss,

The current capacity of OMP is still,I think is  22,000,there was a couple of million euros  spent on it to get it up to 26,000 which would allow it to get slightly larger games,generate more money for both laois and businesses.

Back in 2018 Everything completed and all it needed to be done was the final walkthrough before it was signed off and the capacity increased.

A formality but a box that had to be ticked nonetheless

Various stakeholders present,but it was raining and the Chairman said there was no point in getting out of his car and they could come back and do it another day.

How did people hear about it ?

When it was brought up at a meeting 7/8 months later as to why we weren't getting games and being sent to the likes of kilkenny etc

The chair told that story himself

Laugh away lads but the laughs on us all

Youve been a club delegate then?

I haven't actually, but I have attended a number of the monthly meetings.

Have you been an InterCounty hurler?
Or manager?
Or a GDA?
Or a County Secretary?

Because if we are going on this basis, neither you nor I would have much to say on here.

That's a first

Someone attending a monthly meeting and they not an appointed delegate

Do you raise any points,make any changes when you were there,any successes

Anyways

your suggestion of 5/6 delegates getting together to effect change before any monthly meeting is a little bit lacking in the reality of what happens

I've been part of a group who've tried to do that

You will be told

It's not on the agenda

It's not the right place

Your taking up valuable time

We will discuss it in committee

It's not relevant to the meeting at hand,we need to move on

We will discuss this at a later date

My point stands

If you want to effect change,you gut the top table,that's where the procrastination and inertia resides

down up change isn't an issue

As regards being a Gda or IC Hurler,I don't know what experience of any of these roles has anything  with the current discussion as regards the  lack of good governance within the county

I didn't say ones or twos.
I suggested each club looks at who hey are sending as delegates.
I suggested some of these people organise themselves between and before meetings.
If something is important enough to raise it is surely possible to convince 5 or 6 other delegates beforehand to back you up etc.

It's a start.
It's also possible.

Good luck with the coup.

Youve been a club delegate then?

So there you go. You are living breathing proof that the wheel can't be reinvented. But yet you want others to have a go. It can't be done. There are too many benefitting (and yes I said benefitting) from the staleness. Eddie saw the lack of movement and got out. Sugrue did likewise, and you didn't last at it either. I mean this sincerely when I say fair play for giving it a go. I wouldn't have the patience

You missed my point

Me and I'm not saying I have any or all of the answers to solve it

But I do know sending  in well meaning people in one or two's as delegates won't sort it either as they will be picked off as well

Wholesale change is needed

Keyser mightn't like my analogy of a coup but that's what your looking at if you want to effect change in an 18 month timeframe

As I said earlier


There's 12-14 top table positions up,that are up for re-election this year and every year.

There are 3 contests this year at convention

Only 1 new person putting his head up for election

Lads here don't like me saying it,even to the extent of ad hominem attacks

But if you have only new person willing  to go forward and it's not apathy what is it ?


My solution  for the 2021 convention at its too late for 2020

There should be a delegation of us knocking on the likes of pat or cheddars door or some other well respected laois person

Asking them to run as chairperson

This is the key bit

They then over the next few months sound out and get the remaining 10-12 best qualified people in situ to run for all the positions

And when convention time comes around they have a viable alternative Cabinet for want of a better phrase to be elected at convention

This affects a mass clearout of the existing top table

You don't have 1 or 2 going in and getting swallowed up by the existing incumbents,you have a majority of fresh thinking people at the table this way.

The more I think about it through an Independent supporters club is the first step.

Not only to raise money but also for talented  willing passionate laois people to coalesce together.

Isn't that what the CB is meant to be? A collection of our brightest and best minds coming together to do all of the above. Sounds like a breeding ground for conflict to me. Leave them at it. They know best. Always. About everything.

Fair enough

Best to do nothing then and just complain on here

Unless you're on the CB or are in the process of putting yourself forward, I'm assuming you are aiming at yourself there too

I was a club county board delegate for 2 years,back 6/7 years ago

I presume most including yourself did a stint there at any one time

So I would have a reasonable idea of the log lam and slowness to effect change on your own or even within a small group

Any observations or challenges or questions during monthly meetings were normally kicked to touch by the chair ,top table approach was reactive rather than proactive

Monthly meetings were taken up with the here and now and if you raised anything strategic you were told it wasn't the appropriate forum or they would look into it.

There was very little in terms of outside committees,the juvenile hurling committee is in reality a one man committee

I presume it hasn't changed much in the meantime

And yes I am culpable as well

Probably as much as anyone else on here


Lads might not like it

But sending in one or two well meaning people as delegates is a waste of time

Keyser might find me hard to listen to

But that's the reality

No I don't think it is. That to me is the biggest lie in all this. That if you seek nomination, and somehow by the grace of God make it through, that you can affect change. That's rubbish. They don't want change. Change would mean new ideas, new ways of doing things, extra fundraising. We should never forget Eddie's words in that interview. There it is. See what you can do. That's not good enough for a senior inter county manager to put up with. You're looking at changing a mindset there as well as everything else.

I'm hoping the next man in isn't just a money grabber. I kinda feel that our system ensures that's all he really can be after Brennan. We can't go on replacing lads who seem to have a real passion for making things better in our county. Some day, we'll have to take a good look at ourselves and ask is it we who are wrong

We can talk all we like about the need for new faces being elected but the one position that needs changing most is not up for election. It doesn't matter if Mickey Lutty or Barack Obama is elected Chairman/vice chairman/delegate Laois GAA is run by one/two person(s) only. One in particular and he hates hurling.

Which position isn't up for election?

As I said earlier


There's 12-14 top table positions up,that are up for re-election this year and every year.

There are 3 contests this year at convention

Only 1 new person putting his head up for election

Lads here don't like me saying it,even to the extent of ad hominem attacks

But if you have only new person willing  to go forward and it's not apathy what is it ?


My solution  for the 2021 convention at its too late for 2020

There should be a delegation of us knocking on the likes of pat or cheddars door or some other well respected laois person

Asking them to run as chairperson

This is the key bit

They then over the next few months sound out and get the remaining 10-12 best qualified people in situ to run for all the positions

And when convention time comes around they have a viable alternative Cabinet for want of a better phrase to be elected at convention

This affects a mass clearout of the existing top table

You don't have 1 or 2 going in and getting swallowed up by the existing incumbents,you have a majority of fresh thinking people at the table this way.

The more I think about it through an Independent supporters club is the first step.

Not only to raise money but also for talented  willing passionate laois people to coalesce together.

Isn't that what the CB is meant to be? A collection of our brightest and best minds coming together to do all of the above. Sounds like a breeding ground for conflict to me. Leave them at it. They know best. Always. About everything.

Fair enough

Best to do nothing then and just complain on here

As I said earlier


There's 12-14 top table positions up,that are up for re-election this year and every year.

There are 3 contests this year at convention

Only 1 new person putting his head up for election

Lads here don't like me saying it,even to the extent of ad hominem attacks

But if you have only new person willing  to go forward and it's not apathy what is it ?


My solution  for the 2021 convention at its too late for 2020

There should be a delegation of us knocking on the likes of pat or cheddars door or some other well respected laois person

Asking them to run as chairperson

This is the key bit

They then over the next few months sound out and get the remaining 10-12 best qualified people in situ to run for all the positions

And when convention time comes around they have a viable alternative Cabinet for want of a better phrase to be elected at convention

This affects a mass clearout of the existing top table

You don't have 1 or 2 going in and getting swallowed up by the existing incumbents,you have a majority of fresh thinking people at the table this way.

The more I think about it through an Independent supporters club is the first step.

Not only to raise money but also for talented  willing passionate laois people to coalesce together.

Few more names for Eamonn & Co to consider
Brendan Cummins
Liam Dunne ( Wexford )
Richie Mullally
Damien Young
Eoin Brislane
Michael Rice
David Franks
Frank Flannery
Paudie Murray
Jamsie O Connor
Johnny Kelly
Tj ryan

Lots of really good coaches out there, the Manager with the bit of gold dust a lot less plentiful

TJ Ryan gone to Charleville Ogie

The list is starting to thin out with clubs and counties planning ahead.

I hope our CB with Eamon have the bit between their teeth