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Getting good mileage out of this one lads 

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.

Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.

There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.

Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.

The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.

You can't.

I'm only making the point that the wrong award for a free to the opponents in their own 45 yard line is not the cause of the goal. It is admittedly a fairly idiotic decision from the referee but he's not the reason Down scored that goal. It was the combination of a really slick Down move and some shambolic defending from Cavan.

I thought the referee was fairly terrible throughout the game. You could argue that wrong decisions in the first half went Down's way, the first was just brainless refereeing but it wasn't the reason for the Down goal. The second was a crazy decision that denied Reilly a great goal chance.

I think Cavan got the benefit of loads of iffy calls in that second half, to me Down seemed to have work so much harder to get a free. GAA referees can seem to be very reactive to changes in games and tend to award the frees to the team with all the momentum.

But the goal came direct from the wrong decision. A Cavan man did not touch the ball in that time, it was the same possession. Absolutely the defending should have been better, but if the ref gives the right decision, then that goal in that form is not being scored, in fact Cavan are attacking and that's a huge swing. Are you being deliberately obtuse on this? It's really not that hard to see. Anything that happened in that possession would not have happened with the decision going the other way...

Getting good mileage out of this one lads 

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

Shouldn't but it happened and it wouldn't have happened if the right call was made. Anyway have a good day guys i'm sure you will all agree at some stage 

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

It's not the reason for the goal though.

Wrong decision but it didn't really have an impact in a goal or not. If you were to contest every wrong free out decision you could be here all day.

The Reilly goal chance was an absolutely terrible. I thought the referee had an error ridden game yesterday in its entirety.

How did it not have an impact on the goal? Down scored from that possession. It absolutely did have an impact. That goal is not happening in that way if Cavan got the sideline ball as Down backs would have dropped back, not attacking forward with the ball.

Getting good mileage out of this one lads 

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.

Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.

But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.

Getting good mileage out of this one lads 

If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.

What was wrong the Down goal?

Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.

He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.