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County Secretary pay €55,000 7 Days a week 24/7 on the Phone and in the County Board Office all hours.

I don't believe I am sticking up for him, but been a county secretary is not an easy job by any stretch and then been asked to over see the Strategic Set Up in Laois and Manage GDA's is not easy the admin side of been a County Secretary is as far as I can see a brutal job.  Would not do it for all the tea in China

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Niall Handy is swamped

Ah come on, he's well paid to be "swamped".
A lot of counties don't even have a full time secretary.
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I think most counties have full time County Secretaries paid for by Croke Park and the county board cannot imagine too many volunteer ones (they would have no time for a job)

There is some horse manure on this forum,

GDA's ? The problem is not the GDA's, it's that there is not enough of them Begley is 15 Hrs, Kelly is 20 I think Donie is Full time.  Secondly clubs are doing very little themselves, Schools are doing absolutely nothing( Nice to see Portarlington winning today but how far have the 3-4 big schools fallen)  Clubs are also acting the bollox with GDA's saying who cannot and can be trained in the schools this is because the clubs are paying some of the GDA's wages. Niall Handy is swamped and is supposed also to be running the GDA's.  Were on about the GDA's there should be more of them,  I think Begley and Kelly are fine,  have not worked with Donie so don't know what he is like but they need a manager and more staff.  I said this earlier this month because of the poor show of our Senior Team. We are now working from the Leinster Council budget which is a pittance.  I don't know the answer to our issues but MONEY is at the core of it and the solution.

Now your showing your colours Tony,

All year you bigged up a complete fraud and without a seconds thought you knock a Laois Man for the job.

Same old story in Laois if your from the county your shi..te but kiss the feet of some bluffer

Clancy, McNulty, Higgins and Kavanagh are good lads and should be given a chance.  You can never beat youth and ambition.

I just asked who appointed him, and what were the parameters of the appointment.  I am pretty sure many on here would like to know how much this set up cost, considering what happened to Mark Rooney.

No not happy but was annoyed at being called an idiot by several on here.   This is actually a serious business,  a lot of people are putting time and effort into raising money to be totally ignored and treated like idiots by the CB.  Have you ever been at a county convention how the clubs are ignored by the chosen few.  Have any people any idea how Peter Creedon got the job who choose him or what were the parameters of the appointment.  You don't matter to those that make the decisions in Laois we are all clowns in their eyes and long may the party continue.

Unfortunately the rot has already set in,  TOF was a joke manager, Lillis was dreadful & Creedon unfortunately was a gamble who has not worked out.  The CB and most of Laois Football fail to realise that we are going to have to think outside the box to start to rebuild.  Poor performance on the pitch = less support and money.  This means we are unable to put more development coaches out into our big towns, Players commit for a few months then just give up.  Do people honestly think we're going to get better without doing something radical.  Yes the answer is we should get rid of our manager  as this guy is clearly a waste of our time and money.  We cannot afford to spend 5 years rebuilding we need green shoots of recovery fast.  We are into our fifth year of regression so I think we have wasted enough time.

Mad stuff here!

So after 4 league games Creedon has already not worked out and a waste of time and money?? 4 games!

Radical thinking, think outside the box....or maybe just do what has got us any bit of success we've had over the last 20 years. Start producing underage quality again!

No worse than whats gone on for the last 5 years, for 5 years people have been saying things are going to turn around they have not, more like a whole  lot worse.  You can't produce underage quality on the money given to County Boards by Leinster Council & Croke Park.   The O Moore Park development while positive is no advantage every county in Ireland got one.  We need more games development officers, however that's not going to happen without money.  Senior Teams, U21 teams & minor teams have been dreadful , end result raising money is not happening.  We need results on the field to get the vibe going thats why Creedon is doing untold damage.  This is not entirely of his making but unfortunately he can not lift us from it.   Cut the cord sooner rather than later, we are only wasting time.  Portarlington, Portlaoise, Graigue & Mountmellick are providing poor returns on population.  We need to do something radical to get back into these towns.

A month later was I wrong ? 

I am going to say it on here tonight and again I will be an idiot Padraig Clancy is my preference for the job NOW or at the end of the year.   But I have no issue with any young manager from Laois with hunger and ambition getting it.  Hopefully they set the tone for every little aspect of Laois Football,  totally agree with the poster on our demise to Div 4.  I am not so sure the return of Sean Dempsey is a good thing but an overall appointment of a INDEPENDENT Football Development Manager would not be a bad thing as long as no relative of anyone on the county board could apply.

Offaly were deserving victors they twice let Laois back into the game, I don't particularly blame Creedon ( he was a bad appointment) but I do blame the people who appointed him.  This relegation to Div 4 has taken 5 years and actually the 3 managerial appointments just got more and more deplorable.   I don't think we have a Div 1 team, I do think we are mid table Div 2 with possibly the best forward in the country.  A few people on here called me an idiot well I won't do the same thing.   However if you think that defending this joke of a set up is the right thing continue on.  Unfortunately the people in charge have necks like the jockeys proverbials but if anyone had sense they would hang their heads in shame and resign.

This is the story.

Last year we had an awful league campaign followed by a very poor championship campaign.

Lillis left and we were left in a very poor state, something that has been inevitable for years.

What did we need at that point?

A manager and background team that have experience with developing underage structures & have a proven pedigree with being successful in this area.

How long did it take for Tipp to get from poor side to good side and looking like they'll be a tier 1 side within a few years? It took a LOT of time. Years.

So, surprisingly enough we managed to get a manager and background team with proven pedigree with Tipperary.

Honestly, I would keep him even if we got relegated to div 4 & had a poor championship. It all needs time - him, his background team and other people involved with developing laois gaa underage need and deserve time.

Why? Because we need to give this years, we need to develop underage especially minor / u21 throughout the county. WHY OH WHY would you throw out a man with PROVEN pedigree in this area. Tipp are going from strength to strength and like it or not, it's a fact he had a significant influence on Tipp's turnaround.

To throw him out would be lunacy, in my opinion, ESPECIALLY given the clear as day context of players not available / injured / playing out of position / you name it.

Careful what you wish for. At least with this setup we're aiming to go in the right direction and have a holistic plan for minor / u21 / senior. It certainly beats the clueless mentality that we've witnessed for years now.

You can throw Roe in there or higgins or clancy but let's face it. That's more of the same like dempsey or lillis and not focussing on underage. We need a sea change in the county & that's what's being attempted. I can't for the life of me understand the short-sightedness of town1980 and B-abu. Granted it's only a very small portion of voices on here but I have to wonder if you're thinking about the long-term and I also have to wonder if you're seeing what's in front of your eyes : players missing from all over the park. Not up to standard ability from large numbers of our players. Players playing out of position etc. You don't seem to even acknowledge that. I'm not saying Creedon & his team are Jesus and his apostles - We're saying they have proven experience in getting a poor team across u-21 and senior into a better one over the course of years. We're a poor team weather you like it or not & we're trying to get better holistically but it needs time.

Ok, before I start this is not meant to be an anti Peter Creedon rant. I was happy enough with the appointment, he has a decent record and seems to speak a lot of sense on the game. Im not that impressed by what Ive seen so far, but we have had a lot of injuries and he deserves time to make his mark with the team. The players seem very positive about the setup, thats a huge plus imo.

Tony, you have stated a few times that Creedon has proven pedigree in developing underage. Have you got good evidence for this statement?
Below are some fact as far as I can ascertain (if there are mistakes apologies, Im not a specialist on Tipp football)

Creedon managed Tipp minors 2003-2006
He managed Tipp U21s 2006-2008.
They won no munster titles in this time.They didnt win a minor till 2011 and u21 in 2010

He managed Tipp Seniors 2012-2015. He has a decent record, generally beating teams you would expect him to beat (an underrated trait in managers), losing to better teams. Liam Kearns had better results last year, with what was a weaker panel on paper

Now Im sure he has had some positive effect on Tipp football, there are good signs such as all the teams keeping him 3+ years. But as someone posted earlier in thread its unlikely he single handedly lifted Tipp football on his own. I'm pretty sure John Evans likes to take some credit (rightly or wrongly), David Power won an all Ireland to name two I've heard of. Again I dont know all the facts he may have been hugely influential in their underage structures and been the main driver of a ll this

Hes a manager with a decent record, but I think its been inflated a bit by some.

Also wheres the evidence of this "holistic" plan for Laois football? Creedon was appointed as manager of senior and u21 teams (although the 2nd title mysteriously moved to Gary Kavanagh) with some vague line about input to minor team. Id be surprised if he has had any input into structures, I dont see much evidence of the county board driving a plan either.  If we want a holistic plan it needs to include clubs,school and county from U6 up. A director of football (preferably well paid) needs to be appointed to oversee it, imo it would be both undesireable and impractical for this to be the County senior manager.

Best of luck to the lads Sunday. I think we'll win but will be very tough in Tullamore, always hard get over line when lacking confidence after losing a few games. Dropping to division 4 would be a disaster, we would need a very impressive championship to make up for it.

I would see the rot starting in the TOF,  I don't think Lillis was a good appointment but the damage was already done.  However I pretty much second everything else you have said.  A director of football type post is needed,  I would give David Power much of the credit for Tipperary's underage success.  However my point on appointing a Laois Manager does sync into this, we are playing fantasy football unless the senior team starts improving.  The finances as it stands means we are putting all our eggs into improving facilities, if the county team improved we would see an increased revenue which would allow more flexibility with finances.  No matter what anyone thinks Money = Success not Coaches, Players or County Boards.  I think an outside appointment unless an expensive high profile does nothing to  lift to fair weather fans but that a high profile internal (risky) appointment is very much a doable cheaper alternative.

I would think I am a decent enough supporter would not say I attend training sessions in Portlaoise but reasonable enough match attender.   I don't want Laois to be relegated,  why would I want to be right on that.  It sickens me to my core where Laois stand at the moment and sorry if I think we are in a dreadful state.  I solidly believe this is not good enough and we are been short changed by a malaise which has shot through the county.  I want 10,000 Laois Supporters in O Moore Park giving Dublin dogs abuse but I am not going to jump off a cliff pretending that what is going on at the moment is anything less than shambolic.  Thats not just Creedon

Offaly to win in Tullamore, Laois to be Relegated .  Laois nor Offaly to score 15 points.  Laois several blacks cards no red because they can't tackle through the middle even though they will be warned not to get a red.  I hope I am wrong and Laois Win but this game is truly 50/50 and Offaly have home advantage.

Thanks Tony, you don't ever stop insulting me.  It's 5 years of Jokers as managers not 2.  At least I am not in your deluded mode.

How do you know Higgins would not have gotten anything out of them because you seem cocksure Creedon has. We won't be winning anything like 4 games in championship.

Your using Jack Nolan as one of your references? Seriously

Longford are brutal, thought they would beat Laois.
Offaly are brutal I think they will beat laois

Something in common all three of these teams are brutal and are in Div 3 relegation dogfight

Let me take you back to January when our goal was to get out of Div 3 via promotion at a minimum and actually we all thought we would win it. 

I would say back Offaly but they are equally brutal

Stop it with the optimism it's only Wednesday Tony

There is not a chance of any of the fellas on County Board starving,  even I can't whinge about the sandwich's they are prob in O Moore Pk a couple of hours before the game.  However I agree with they don't seem overly worried about the long term decline in football and hurling within the county.