not good to see croke park so empty for a semi final. Are the tickets too dear or is it that inevitable that the cats will win it so nobody cares
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Show posts MenuQuote from: SLIGONIAN on August 01, 2010, 12:58:17 AM
I cant really choose between
Kildare or Roscommon, kildare are the best fans ive ever come across by a mile, i get on well with the rossies too, i loved all white colour kldare support bring, and there style is total football, roscommon are connacht but i think kildare have a better chance to be honest. Roscommon will be lifted by today, who knows?
I have a soft spot for the Dubs aswell, there workrate is unreal. The atmosphere they bring to games is class.
I was glad for Down today but from a Sligo perspective. Benny Coulter hasnt a hope of winning player of the year.
Quote from: delboy on July 08, 2010, 08:38:47 PMQuestion on this. Does this mean they changed their views or just hid them? from what i can tell people don't change their views that easily but it can sometimes suit them to hide them for a political gain.Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 08, 2010, 06:26:07 PM
I think paisley, robbo and all the other unionists and unionist politicians fingered for biding in such gangs by the various sources ( informers, security forces, english police etc) as well as the tv coverage and pics of the dup aforementioned in the third reaction force 'paramilitary' type squad proves that unionists not just loyalists supported violence so your argument is dead in the water!!
Yours or my opinions do not alter these facts, but to stop you whinging and trying to deflect attention away from the above facts that unionists( not all) were equally culpable as loyalists in turning to and supporting violence thus there is/was no difference between them - certainly not What you have laid out to differentiate! - my answer is'no I did not believe or support violence could gain a reunification!
Is that how you argue down the pub proclaim the others persons point dead in the water and then then get on with the business of self congratulation on being such a smart chap, that might work down the pub but it doesn't cut the mustard with me.
You seem to have your self horribly confused about unionism and loyalism, its simple really, all loyalists are unionists, but not all unionists are loyalists, if you still can't grasp it (logic isn't your strong suit it would seem) i'll try and get you a Venn diagram to help you out.
Now lets look at some facts then back in 1987 which was the first election after the ulster resistance stuff that the DUP were in fact a loyalist party (certainly under the definition i outlined) as they were seen to be advocating violence, the protestant people delivered their opinion on that and gave them only 21 % of their vote, the DUP as a loyalist part garnered only 1 in 5 votes. Mainstream unionism rejected the party advocating violence and voted 4 to 1 against such nonsense.
If you have any interest in recent history you'll probably realise this was a turning point for the DUP, they shyed well away from such advocacy and would you believe it you can chart there rise and rise to the position they find themselves in to day, coincidence?
Ok that aside, your answer to my other question appears rather ambigous, not sure if its your garbled language or not but it would appear that you were answering the question 'was violence likely to acheive unification' (maybe i left the question too open to interpration) which is a differnent question than the one i was trying to ask, for clarification sakes indulge me and tell me in a simple yes or no one word answer where you stand on the question below.
Do you presently or in the past (but lets say within your own lifetime) have you ever supported the use of any violence which was carried out in the name of acheiveing an United Ireland? Simple Yes or no!
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 22, 2010, 08:52:11 PMthats fair enough but can we agree that some people do earn far too much for the job they do. i seen in the news that the head of the NHS was on over £200000 which in my eyes is outrageous. the problem is then how to rate professional qualifications in terms of pay. Why is one persons effort at university not worth the same as anothers?Quote from: andoireabu on June 22, 2010, 08:35:44 PMWe'll have to agree to differ then. I didn't go through university and professional qualifications to earn the same (or close to the same) as if i'd left school at 16.Quote from: Maguire01 on June 22, 2010, 08:24:30 PMif it isn't about needing it then what is it about? Greed? Social standing? ive just qualified as an engineer but i don't think I should have a massive wage because of it. if i get enough to cover all the bills and a bit left by for small luxuries then i would be happy. i don't have any notion for the big house or the flash car. as for what that amount is i wouldn't know because im not old enough to have lived the working life yet but i got by comfortably at university on less than £10,000. that covered rent, food and house stuff, travelling and a fair few nights in the pub .Quote from: andoireabu on June 22, 2010, 07:08:19 PMIt's not about 'needing' it. What wage do you think a politician, doctor, surgeon, accountant, dentist, solicitor, barrister, engineer etc should be paid? Or do you support a Communist regime?Quote from: Maguire01 on June 22, 2010, 06:59:58 PMIm not sure i would agree with you there. i can't see how anyone needs that when many more people live on a lot less. does anyone really need the flashy house and car in the drive way or has the lifestyle everybody wants got out of hand and now there is no money left to support it?Quote from: andoireabu on June 22, 2010, 06:51:13 PMI agree. My point was that £65k isn't an outrageous salary.
Your last part about how many of them left their professions and are now earning less, it was their own choice to do so and shouldn't give them the right to bump up their salaries to the level they were before.
Im not in favour of what i know about communism i.e any communist country i see doesn't seem appealing to me but the idea of it if it was done right might not be too bad. not the everyone earns the same but definately not the system we seem to have where people earn as much as they can get away with.
In respect of MPs, it would be interesting to see who you think would take the job if the salary was £20-30k.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 22, 2010, 08:24:30 PMif it isn't about needing it then what is it about? Greed? Social standing? ive just qualified as an engineer but i don't think I should have a massive wage because of it. if i get enough to cover all the bills and a bit left by for small luxuries then i would be happy. i don't have any notion for the big house or the flash car. as for what that amount is i wouldn't know because im not old enough to have lived the working life yet but i got by comfortably at university on less than £10,000. that covered rent, food and house stuff, travelling and a fair few nights in the pub .Quote from: andoireabu on June 22, 2010, 07:08:19 PMIt's not about 'needing' it. What wage do you think a politician, doctor, surgeon, accountant, dentist, solicitor, barrister, engineer etc should be paid? Or do you support a Communist regime?Quote from: Maguire01 on June 22, 2010, 06:59:58 PMIm not sure i would agree with you there. i can't see how anyone needs that when many more people live on a lot less. does anyone really need the flashy house and car in the drive way or has the lifestyle everybody wants got out of hand and now there is no money left to support it?Quote from: andoireabu on June 22, 2010, 06:51:13 PMI agree. My point was that £65k isn't an outrageous salary.
Your last part about how many of them left their professions and are now earning less, it was their own choice to do so and shouldn't give them the right to bump up their salaries to the level they were before.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 22, 2010, 06:59:58 PMIm not sure i would agree with you there. i can't see how anyone needs that when many more people live on a lot less. does anyone really need the flashy house and car in the drive way or has the lifestyle everybody wants got out of hand and now there is no money left to support it?Quote from: andoireabu on June 22, 2010, 06:51:13 PMI agree. My point was that £65k isn't an outrageous salary.
Your last part about how many of them left their professions and are now earning less, it was their own choice to do so and shouldn't give them the right to bump up their salaries to the level they were before.