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Being an IC player is a full time job you aren't paid for. Trying to point to the odd kickback totally misses the point that in any other sport the level of commitment involved would mean the player was a professional, and still get everything you're pointing to on top of it.

But it isn't any other sport, that is the whole point. The issue arising because Gooch is undermining the GAA.

Armaghniac makes the point. How many young boys grow up with dreams to play in Croker and win the All-Ireland with their county or captain their club to a championship? Now how many boys grow up to become a great player so they can have a testimonial dinner (I wonder btw did Gooch come out for the 2nd half of the dinner, saying as he went missing in many a 2nd half of a big game). The GAA is always greater than its individual parts and thats its beauty. Gooch is another mercenary. No better than them managers squeezing the life out of counties and clubs for big dough.

Not up on the rules, AZ, but I don't think anyone has to down the ball, but wouldn't put any money on that opinion.

As for Wisconsin, even if they go unbeaten, I can't see the committee leapfrogging over Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame or Oklahoma if they don't lose any more (assuming GA and AL play in SEC c'ship and it's close).  Wisconsin will have beaten only one top 25 team at most.  Not an impressive resume.

If the top 4 win out (with Georgia and Alabama obviously having 1 loss when they play for the SEC), there's no way that the committee overlooks Notre Dame. A Notre Dame vs Alabama final is the stuff CFB dreams are made off.

Pretty sure O'Neill is an ardboe man too?

I'm pretty sure of it as well. They played our club in a challenge game at minors in 2016, and it was him, Brian McGuigan, Gavin Teague and Nishy O'Neill over that team. Think they made the final bu were beat? Good to see DCR keeping upbeat about the year ahead for the boe men lol. Obviously doesn't think much of the management team they have in place.

I'm not blaming him for the goal, I just said that that asking where Donnelly or Harte were against Dublin was akin to asking where Colly was for the goal. I'm aware of who gave the ball away. I'm also aware of who is supposed to be where when the opposition is attacking. 

This is still the most embarassing bit of hand wringing I've seen in the GAA in a long time. Make as much as you can while you can. No one person is the moral guardian of another, let alone of a sport that treats amateur players like livestock at times.

Livestock don't have a choice

Most players don't think about choice when college, county and club want their pound of flesh the same week either. And if they did say no they'd be vilified by someone for it. Don't act like pressure to acquiesce isn't implied and applied on players in equal measure. None of which is any excuse for shunting players around like cattle. It's supposedly all about the greater good yet every link on the chain doesn't seem to care that much about the individual or what's best for them long term.

If Gooch can make a bit of money, he's perfectly entitled to do it. In the absence of someone else looking after you, you damn well better make sure you do it yourself.

I think it says all that can be said about this Gooch dinner when you compare his outlook with the O'Se's and their fundraiser for their club. Chalk and Cheese just. Actually a typical townie vs culchie outcome.

Colly Cavanagh is the only man with the leadership to be captain. End of. Where was Mattie Donnelly or peter Harte against Dublin when we needed leadership?

That's like asking where was Colly when O'Callaghan was waltzing through our D (where Cavanagh is supposed to the be theee sweeper)? Mistakes happen, players have bad games make poor decisions.

what's that got to do with leadership you goon? O callagan walked past mc namee while mc cann and mc Crory were marking'space'. Hardly fuckin Colm cavanaghs fault.

Just read your posts STG. Sorry, didn't realise you hated the Harte's and Errigal as much. Just means we can't have a non-biased discussion. I'm still learning the ropes.

Next time you hear some idiot giving out about benefits remind them that if tax avoidance were ended we could pay those benefits multiple times over and still have plenty of extra money.

That's the answer. Give the wasters on benefits even more

Typical middle-class generalisation there.

I see Francie Brolly in the paper today going against SF and Gerry Adams....you think he's just trying to take abit of heat off Joe?

Colly Cavanagh is the only man with the leadership to be captain. End of. Where was Mattie Donnelly or peter Harte against Dublin when we needed leadership?

That's like asking where was Colly when O'Callaghan was waltzing through our D (where Cavanagh is supposed to the be theee sweeper)? Mistakes happen, players have bad games make poor decisions.

The fascination continues. People care more about him than their own county players or club, sad really.

Bottom line, he did wrong 6 years ago, got away it with easily but that's the way the world works now.

I would also look at some the history of violence is some of your own counties GAA pitches were cowards keep their mouths shut, for example, Tyrone GAA was is and was built on violence and thuggery. Just ask the county chairman who was knocked out at a ladies county final.

The greatest I would suggest you do your reading about what Tyrone GAA is built on. Thuggery and violence play no part whatsoever in it. I would also suggest that if you carried out a randomn check of every GAA club in Tyrone and referenced how many of them have criminal records vs doing the same in Dublin, you would find a ten-fold increase in criminal records for the Jackeens....so wind your neck in.

There is a difference in being caught and not caught. More players in Dublin. Tyrone, a history of violence and Thuggery. Some of the worst incidents in recent years happened up there.

I'm not getting drawn into this, but you're actually talking about thuggery when the whole thread is to do with an ACTUAL act of thuggery that was ACCEPTED by the courts. Not hearsay, not a rumour but actual facts. Dermo = great player, maybe most skilful of all time but he also leaves himself open to criticism consistently by his behaviour.

I think it should be Mattie Donnelly but most likely will be Petey.

Thebigdog it's time to delete your account and step away from the keyboard.
Peter Harte he said 

Peter Harte is a quality footballer and I would love to see him playing at no 7 in an attack minded team, something along these lines:
                N morgan
R Brennan P Hampsey R MCNAmee
T MCCann F BUrns P Harte
           C Cavanagh
           M Donnelly
c meyler KMcGeary R DOnnelly
m Bradley C mcaliskey n sludden

With lee Brennan D Mulgrew and mccurry coming on

in fairness that looks like a team and system we could go and look at. See how simple it is too pick a team and they say only MH knows how to manage Tyrone. Unfortunately this line up will not happen for at least three years at least.

So thats a team we should look at bigdog? Even though Harte is lined out as a defender? And you think he can't handle unsavoury stuff but think he should be lined out as a defender? That name is a division 2 team. At least 7 of them out of position...clueless trolls

your the one who's a troll, talking down others. If you have nothing intelligent to add to the debate just do one. Any way Pete at number seven would be a weakness alright. He would be too easily bullied and marked out of it. Going man to man especially at a intercounty level is about going to war.  Tyrone won All Ireland's going to war anything else is a crock of shit.

Jesus I was only joking.
                  Morgan
Cassidy       McNamee      Hampsey
McCann       McNabb         Brennan
                M Donnelly
                C Cavanagh
Meyler/Mulgrew           Harte            Sludden
McAliskey          Bradley           Ronan O'Neill

Play more fundamental a la Mayo. Move defenders round to man mark whoever is necessary. Play at least 4 forwards up top. If Andy Moran can win POTY at 40, surely we can train our most natural forward (O'Neill) to be an all-star? No more constant sweeper or packing the box with 8 men, didn't work. Hammer the hammer with the dubs, matty on mccarthy, cavanagh on fenton, mcnabb against o'callaghan. Go out and play. But get our best 15 on the field to win, not our best 15 on the field not to lose.

7 out of position?
Well Morgan is a keeper.
Brennan has played corner back for uuj
Hampsey was full back on u21 all Ireland winning team
MCNAmee more a corner back than full back
McCann and Harte attacking half backs with great engines
Burns centre back on all Ireland u21 team and great on the ball ( can take frees too)
Cavanagh defensive midfielder
Donnelly attacking midfielder
Meyler and mcgeary won sigerson this year in these positions
Donnelly played underage and for uuj at wing forward
Bradley is a corner forward
Mcaliskey up along with Bradley
Sludden drifting out the pitch as he can play half forward/half back and add to a great running team with 2 up front to hit
Cavanagh playing his role with legs all around the middle 8 to defend and attack.

I thought it wasn't too bad myself

oh I read it wrong, you're playing the same system? My mistake. Then its all wrong

Reading on this thread makes me sick. We have actual GAA "supporters" outlining reasons why we shouldn't have a united ireland.when said aim of organisation was to promote a nationalist identity. Alls wring is that too many people live off far cheques from retiring from uk govt jobs. Turned a lot of you into what African-Americans call "Uncle Tom's" . I'd like to name all you naysayers "Uncle Mountbatten's" . Makes me sick to my stomach. We have the constant kicking of SF, and how they're not a political party. Well I can think of 20 SF members who literally laid their lives on the line for Catholics in the North so we could have a fair shot at life, name me a politician from either FF or FG who can say the same. You will all rue the day you didn't support SF when they're in the Dail and you're on the outside looking in.

For all of my adult life I have had 'a fair shot at life'.  I have availed of free healthcare, free primary and secondary education and a funded third level education to primary degree level.  I have worked for 34 years and make a considerable contribution to society through always paying income tax and national insurance contributions and through my work I ensured that a considerable number of 'Catholics in the North had a fair shot at life'.  I have never relied on SF for any of these privileges that many across the world will never have and I never felt inclined to support any campaign of violence that has caused nothing but misery and grief for those who were victims of the violence from 1967 to date. So, SF and their associates have never done anything that has improved my life nor the public service that I provided for 34 years. I could give you plenty instances where they have made life worse for Catholic people over the last 40 years and particularly since they were given the opportunity to run the government of this region.

The people of Ireland votes overwhelmingly in 1998 to allow 6 counties to be governed by the UK government until a majority of the people in that region decided otherwise and the people of the 26 counties decided that they wanted the 6 counties to join them.  This vote denies any group continuing with or resorting to a campaign of violence any form of legitimacy to base their campaign on previous votes or elections or previous campaigns. 

A vote for a UI may occur within the next ten years and it will be decided by those in the middle ground in N.Ireland who you and your fellow travellers may term as "Uncle Tom's" or "Uncle Mountbatten's" from the security you seek in your Internet keyboard warrior anonymity and additional username. 

So, instead of claiming the moral and political high ground from the tiny mound where you have parked your tanks to assault the middle ground you and your mirror images within the DUP would be better considering how you can persuade the middle ground to shift in your directions.  As others have stated, the middle ground of the population between SF and DUP will decide the destiny of this tiny region when a border poll is eventually held. 

There are more middle ground potential voters in the non-voting section of our electorate than will be persuaded to turn out for SF or DUP in the sectarian head count that exists in elections in N.Ireland.  This section of the population have become disillusioned with sectarian politics as SF and DUP have dominated the elected Assembly.  Many live in areas where their preferred candidate will never be elected and they have stopped voting or see no point in casting a vote for a losing candidate.  Both DUP and SF in the last year have virtually maxed out their voting bases in the last assembly and Westminster elections.  SDLP, UUP, APNI and GP are unable to motivate former voters to come back to the ballot box and new voters to come out to vote because they are in decline and cannot as individual groupings hope to over turn the power block of DUP and SF.  SDLP, UUP and APNI carry too much baggage of the past despite SDLP and UUP being responsible for delivering the GFA for the eventual benefit of SF/DUP.  However, you can be sure that a border poll will be enough to motivate these people to make a return possibly for the first time since the GFA referendum in 1998.

Sorry I'm only seeing your response now Owen. I dont know where to start but I'll make a stab at it anyway:
1. You say you have worked for 34 years. Simple maths, you graduated at 23+34=57. So you graduated in 1983 sLay roughly? 2 years after the hunger strike....how many of your primary school class went to third level education (I'm assuming you went to a Catholic School)
2. You provided a public service but don't say where or in what arena? If you prepared Catholics for a fair shot at life, tell me are Catholics better prepared for it now in year 34 of your service or year 1?
3. You ask me to try and persuade a middle ground voter why they should vote for a United Ireland? If they are an Irishman or woman at all why would they need persuading?
4. I can call these middle ground voters whatever I like.Full stop.
5. You talk about the SDLP and UUP voters not being able to motivate the middle ground voters? They are too busy drinking Cointreau in the Kings Head talking about a great day they had at Down Royal whilst wishing that horrible twat O'Leary hadn't won the JN Chase.
5. And finally this point, if I choose to use a username or call middle of the ground voters as ''Uncle Mountbatten's" then I will.  make no apologies for my SF beliefs, but I won't listen to the nonsense that somehow SF should try and win over these middle of the road types, who in the 80's, 90's and 00's and now looked down their noses at them. Screw that. Have conviction and belief, dont bend for Rory McIlroy's....aim for Lowry's and Harrington's or Canning's. Go to the south and build up from there, because heaven knows it won't be hard.

Thebigdog it's time to delete your account and step away from the keyboard.
Peter Harte he said 

Peter Harte is a quality footballer and I would love to see him playing at no 7 in an attack minded team, something along these lines:
                N morgan
R Brennan P Hampsey R MCNAmee
T MCCann F BUrns P Harte
           C Cavanagh
           M Donnelly
c meyler KMcGeary R DOnnelly
m Bradley C mcaliskey n sludden

With lee Brennan D Mulgrew and mccurry coming on

in fairness that looks like a team and system we could go and look at. See how simple it is too pick a team and they say only MH knows how to manage Tyrone. Unfortunately this line up will not happen for at least three years at least.

So thats a team we should look at bigdog? Even though Harte is lined out as a defender? And you think he can't handle unsavoury stuff but think he should be lined out as a defender? That name is a division 2 team. At least 7 of them out of position...clueless trolls