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We'll park it there. If ur unable to accept a simple fact then it's pointless.

Are you fed up of defending the indefensible? Seems like you are.

You never clarified how SQ helped get the deal done either. It seemed Quinn simply wanted the business empire he had lost during his reckless gambling handed back to him for a song.

The current QIH management team have kept employment in the local area and made the business a viable one. They certainly don't seem to believe it is a vigilante group upset at the betrayal of Quinn who are behind it. They have explicitly stated that they believe the attacks have been financed and organised by a wealthy benefactor who has something to gain with ownership being passed over to the Quinn family.

Try and not be an ostrich all your life.

Good man. And Tyrone has the best championship as well.

We'll park it there. If ur unable to accept a simple fact then it's pointless.

Is contempt of court a civil offence or criminal? I can help you out if you like?

Sean Quinn served a custodial sentence for contempt of court. Civil offences do not carry jail terms, Sean Quinn served a custodial sentence, it's not hard to work out.

It was a civil charge SQ was charged with not a criminal one. It was debated on here at the time. But we'll leave it there. I haven't the time to engage if you find it impossible to accept facts.
Peter couldn't be extradited due to it being a civil matter.

Is contempt of court a civil offence or criminal? I can help you out if you like?

Is it a criminal offence or civil? Simple question.

Why all the love and loyalty for Quinn?  yes he brought jobs, but he also was responsible for a lot of people losing their jobs too, and managed to lose billionsof euro, why would you want someone like that anywhere near a business?

I still think he's in a positive number with regards to number of jobs created compared to lost. He created jobs in an area where there was little else. He also impacted a number of families in the local area directly with support when harder times fell. Myself included.
Maybe ask yourself why the groundswell of support for him if he was just another business man. He fucked up specularly with his investment in Anglo. But he wasn't alone in being dubbed by the bank.

Dubbed by the bank?

Would you go and do one.

He is a criminal who defrauded the taxpayer for billions and ensured financial hardship was inflicted on hundreds of thousands of hard working people due to his greed and unwillingness to face the consequences of his mistakes.

How you can defend a guy like that is beyond me.

Grand so. I've no wish to disappear down a rabbit hole with you as per the Ulster club thread where your opinion becomes fact. So we'll leave it there.

It's not my opinion that he is a criminal who defrauded the state for billions of Euros.

They are statements of facts.

What was he charged with?

Contempt of Court.

Criminal charge? 

[dubbed by the bank.]

Why all the love and loyalty for Quinn?  yes he brought jobs, but he also was responsible for a lot of people losing their jobs too, and managed to lose billionsof euro, why would you want someone like that anywhere near a business?

I still think he's in a positive number with regards to number of jobs created compared to lost. He created jobs in an area where there was little else. He also impacted a number of families in the local area directly with support when harder times fell. Myself included.
Maybe ask yourself why the groundswell of support for him if he was just another business man. He fucked up specularly with his investment in Anglo. But he wasn't alone in being dubbed by the bank.

You seriously cannot believe that is what happened?

The Kinnehans are the biggest employers of young men in the south inner city.. so what?

Apologies, Terminology might not be right there as in I mean he believed the hype about the bank, not that it had ripped him off.

Why all the love and loyalty for Quinn?  yes he brought jobs, but he also was responsible for a lot of people losing their jobs too, and managed to lose billionsof euro, why would you want someone like that anywhere near a business?

I still think he's in a positive number with regards to number of jobs created compared to lost. He created jobs in an area where there was little else. He also impacted a number of families in the local area directly with support when harder times fell. Myself included.
Maybe ask yourself why the groundswell of support for him if he was just another business man. He fucked up specularly with his investment in Anglo. But he wasn't alone in being dubbed by the bank.

Dubbed by the bank?

Would you go and do one.

He is a criminal who defrauded the taxpayer for billions and ensured financial hardship was inflicted on hundreds of thousands of hard working people due to his greed and unwillingness to face the consequences of his mistakes.

How you can defend a guy like that is beyond me.

Grand so. I've no wish to disappear down a rabbit hole with you as per the Ulster club thread where your opinion becomes fact. So we'll leave it there.

It's not my opinion that he is a criminal who defrauded the state for billions of Euros.

They are statements of facts.

What was he charged with?

Why all the love and loyalty for Quinn?  yes he brought jobs, but he also was responsible for a lot of people losing their jobs too, and managed to lose billionsof euro, why would you want someone like that anywhere near a business?

I still think he's in a positive number with regards to number of jobs created compared to lost. He created jobs in an area where there was little else. He also impacted a number of families in the local area directly with support when harder times fell. Myself included.
Maybe ask yourself why the groundswell of support for him if he was just another business man. He fucked up specularly with his investment in Anglo. But he wasn't alone in being dubbed by the bank.

Dubbed by the bank?

Would you go and do one.

He is a criminal who defrauded the taxpayer for billions and ensured financial hardship was inflicted on hundreds of thousands of hard working people due to his greed and unwillingness to face the consequences of his mistakes.

How you can defend a guy like that is beyond me.

Grand so. I've no wish to disappear down a rabbit hole with you as per the Ulster club thread where your opinion becomes fact. So we'll leave it there.

[I would imagine the vast majority of the locals are absolutely appalled by what is going on.]

Doesn't say much for the people of Cavan and Fermanagh if that's the case. I would imagine the vast majority of the locals are absolutely appalled by what is going on.

Everyone I have spoken to about it is.

I think any right minded person would be appalled at the attacks. But that doesn't follow through to support for KL and Liam McCaffery in their roles with QIH.

What's their issue with Kevin Lunney and Liam McCaffrey?

Let us not forget that Quinn defrauded the state for billions, lost his business empire, was aided from afar to help him out of this hole, was landed with a fantastic external consultant role and then expected to get his business back for a song.

After this broke down a renewed campaign of violence and intimidation against the current management team started up again. Do you believe the people carrying out these attacks are Quinn Cult members or are the merely thugs for hire?

I've explained above why I think theres issues with Kl & LMcC. The fantastic external consultancy role never materialised and you could agree that he could have taken the money and left them to it. But that wasn't the agreement they had.

I've no idea who's carrying out the attack's.

What are their issues?

The new management team have preserved the businesses, employment has been steady and with the business performing well it's likely that employment and opportunities will grow in the area. I don't see much for the locals to be outraged about, I don't see how it could lead to a vigilante mob wanting to unleash a sustained campaign of violence and intimidation of the current management team. Tony Lunney's interview was very clear in its conclusion that the men who carried the attack on on his brother were hired to do so.

Quinn was brought in as external consultant and tried to run the place, he attempted to undermine the management team and this created problems and it as agreed between both parties that it would not work. It's also stated that Quinn expected to be handed over the shares of the company that McCaffrey, Lunney and O'Reilly had acquired with the takeover. A business empire Quinn lost due to his reckless gambling, not to mention him defrauding the state for billions.

It's quite clear that the QIH management team do not believe this is some vigilante mob of disgruntled locals, Liam McCaffrey has referenced arresting the "paymaster" as being crucial to stopping these attacks. He said this explicitly just as Tony Lunney has that they believe the people carrying out these attacks are being hired and paid to do so, they fully believe that this campaign is being endorsed and funded by a wealthy benefactor and is not part of some vigilante mob that Quinn seems to be painting it as.

I've said earlier twice what the issues with KL and LMC are. People believe they were dishonest and used SQ to seal the deal and get them back into management. Once sealed proceeded to go back on commitments they had made to him for their own benefit.
I care little what Liam McCaffrey states. If he has proof I'd listen but similar to Fr O Riley there's nothing to back it up. As for Tony Lunney. I would be interested in his views on the early attacks on the business?

That makes absolutely no sense, you are missing quite a lot of what has been stated.

How did they use SQ to get the deal done? SQ approached John McCartin, John Bosco and Ernie Fisher to help him out. They did.

The management team did not betray SQ, they agreed a deal to take control of the business that SQ had lost through his reckless gambling. The fact that SQ felt a sense of entitlement to have the business handed back to him after he defrauded the tax payer for billions tell you about the character and morals of the man, the fact that SQ can make himself out to be the victim in this situation shows you the type of sociopath that he is. He's still a hugely wealthy man, living a lavish lifestyle in a big mansion of a residence and there's no way he should be considering the debt he owed.

Can you state how SQ helped them to get the deal done?

I'm missing nothing. The agreement was to aid SQ to return to the business. They were under no obligation to do so. But that was what was agreed between them. In the agreement SQ would public ally say he supported the deal which would help it through in the community and with the workforce.

Why all the love and loyalty for Quinn?  yes he brought jobs, but he also was responsible for a lot of people losing their jobs too, and managed to lose billionsof euro, why would you want someone like that anywhere near a business?

I still think he's in a positive number with regards to number of jobs created compared to lost. He created jobs in an area where there was little else. He also impacted a number of families in the local area directly with support when harder times fell. Myself included.
Maybe ask yourself why the groundswell of support for him if he was just another business man. He fucked up specularly with his investment in Anglo. But he wasn't alone in being dubbed by the bank. 

[I would imagine the vast majority of the locals are absolutely appalled by what is going on.]

Doesn't say much for the people of Cavan and Fermanagh if that's the case. I would imagine the vast majority of the locals are absolutely appalled by what is going on.

Everyone I have spoken to about it is.

I think any right minded person would be appalled at the attacks. But that doesn't follow through to support for KL and Liam McCaffery in their roles with QIH.

What's their issue with Kevin Lunney and Liam McCaffrey?

Let us not forget that Quinn defrauded the state for billions, lost his business empire, was aided from afar to help him out of this hole, was landed with a fantastic external consultant role and then expected to get his business back for a song.

After this broke down a renewed campaign of violence and intimidation against the current management team started up again. Do you believe the people carrying out these attacks are Quinn Cult members or are the merely thugs for hire?

I've explained above why I think theres issues with Kl & LMcC. The fantastic external consultancy role never materialised and you could agree that he could have taken the money and left them to it. But that wasn't the agreement they had.

I've no idea who's carrying out the attack's.

What are their issues?

The new management team have preserved the businesses, employment has been steady and with the business performing well it's likely that employment and opportunities will grow in the area. I don't see much for the locals to be outraged about, I don't see how it could lead to a vigilante mob wanting to unleash a sustained campaign of violence and intimidation of the current management team. Tony Lunney's interview was very clear in its conclusion that the men who carried the attack on on his brother were hired to do so.

Quinn was brought in as external consultant and tried to run the place, he attempted to undermine the management team and this created problems and it as agreed between both parties that it would not work. It's also stated that Quinn expected to be handed over the shares of the company that McCaffrey, Lunney and O'Reilly had acquired with the takeover. A business empire Quinn lost due to his reckless gambling, not to mention him defrauding the state for billions.

It's quite clear that the QIH management team do not believe this is some vigilante mob of disgruntled locals, Liam McCaffrey has referenced arresting the "paymaster" as being crucial to stopping these attacks. He said this explicitly just as Tony Lunney has that they believe the people carrying out these attacks are being hired and paid to do so, they fully believe that this campaign is being endorsed and funded by a wealthy benefactor and is not part of some vigilante mob that Quinn seems to be painting it as.

I've said earlier twice what the issues with KL and LMC are. People believe they were dishonest and used SQ to seal the deal and get them back into management. Once sealed proceeded to go back on commitments they had made to him for their own benefit.
I care little what Liam McCaffrey states. If he has proof I'd listen but similar to Fr O Riley there's nothing to back it up. As for Tony Lunney. I would be interested in his views on the early attacks on the business?

[I would imagine the vast majority of the locals are absolutely appalled by what is going on.]

Doesn't say much for the people of Cavan and Fermanagh if that's the case. I would imagine the vast majority of the locals are absolutely appalled by what is going on.

Everyone I have spoken to about it is.

I think any right minded person would be appalled at the attacks. But that doesn't follow through to support for KL and Liam McCaffery in their roles with QIH.

What's their issue with Kevin Lunney and Liam McCaffrey?

Let us not forget that Quinn defrauded the state for billions, lost his business empire, was aided from afar to help him out of this hole, was landed with a fantastic external consultant role and then expected to get his business back for a song.

After this broke down a renewed campaign of violence and intimidation against the current management team started up again. Do you believe the people carrying out these attacks are Quinn Cult members or are the merely thugs for hire?

I've explained above why I think theres issues with Kl & LMcC. The fantastic external consultancy role never materialised and you could agree that he could have taken the money and left them to it. But that wasn't the agreement they had.

I've no idea who's carrying out the attack's.

[I would imagine the vast majority of the locals are absolutely appalled by what is going on.]

Doesn't say much for the people of Cavan and Fermanagh if that's the case. I would imagine the vast majority of the locals are absolutely appalled by what is going on.

Everyone I have spoken to about it is.

I think any right minded person would be appalled at the attacks. But that doesn't follow through to support for KL and Liam McCaffery in their roles with QIH.

Why does SQ think he has a right to come back in?  He gambled big, he lost and he's now deservedly paying the price.

As far as I can see, the group of companies is doing absolutely fine without him.

John Bosco O'Hagan's piece was very telling.  There is not a bigger gentleman in this country.  He tried his best to help him (for no personal financial gain).

He and his team got SQ into a position where both he and the son had 500k salaries per year and SQ threw it back into his face because he wasn't made king dick.

Seems like a bit of a cnut to me.

SQ had backed the managerial buy out as they supported the return of him to ownership initially. He was to return in a consultancy capacity at the start with a long term aim to try and build back into a position where he could try and buy the business back with financial backing. However when he returned he was marginalised by the team and basically told that he was there to keep up appearances. SQ wasn't prepared to do that so the relationship went south from there and He walked. You can argue that he had no right to anything and fair enough. But many people supported Quinn's return and believe he was shafted once they got the deal through and had used him to ensure support by employees and the local community.

Edit - Johnny this might answer your question as well.