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Both our midfielders got the better of Barry and oconnor on the kick outs.
Midfield is definitely somewhere we have an advantage on for tomorrow. Half back line as well, but need to contain paudie Clifford. I think our hf line should win that battle as well. If we dominate that middle 8 it will go a long way to nullifying the Kerry forward threat.

Judging by the current media round there's no point in turning up everyone wants a Kerry Dublin final to "save football"

We might as well just stop playing the game altogether and let Kerry and Dublin play every game between themselves!

Some of the utterly uninformed commentary is laughable. I listened to colm Boyle and Darren O'Sullivan on newstalk, Boyle was awful, throwing out line after line of nonsense showing that his only exposure to Derry was cos he got in early for the mayo v Dublin game and watched a few mins.
A lot of commentary has been the same, ultra defensive, play keep ball for minutes on end, slow methodical attacks which can't work (no recognition that those attacks were v cork, Galway and Donegal in games where all 30 players were in the opponent's half), not capable of attacking any other way, very limited panel, no supporting cast up front unlike Kerry (presume this is because seanie has played a little better the last 2 games).

I don't know, but I've seen the majority of Derry games the last few years and most of the shite being written isn't reflective of what we've been watching. Someone was questioning whether Derry can score goals for example - I suspect they're amongst the most clinical and goal minded teams around?

Really looking forward to this one and it will really tell us where we're at, Kerry can be vulnerable we've seen that all year, obviously a very good team, but Clifford aside is there much in it man for man?

They were really up for Tyrone, it might be difficult to get to that same level against a team they're expected to beat comfortably, better to save themselves for the dream final, it could be like that 2015 classic all over again!

I'm taking Glass to give us a masterclass tomorrow, defensively and attacking wise, redeem himself for last year's semi and nail on his footballer of the year credentials. Easy!!

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[The Dubs will be better in 2 weeks]

It was tight for a long time and the scoreline wasn't a true reflection on the game. The Dubs will be better in 2 weeks.

Ye see this is what I don't get. Dublin were excellent, I don't know how much better they can play than that. Monaghan put it up to them and they came through, simple as that. Be interesting how the game goes tomorrow. I think it will be more of the same. Dubs and Kerry have got too much credit based on the QFs, and Derry and Monaghan not enough.

Great game. Great game by the ref as well in difficult conditions

I don't believe Tubs was naive at all. Given the time I'm sure he was well aware of the optics of people's pay being cut, and would have been delighted to be seen to be doing his bit like everyone else, all in the comfort of knowing he was losing anything at all. He may not have done anything illegal, but his actions stink.

How many players featured in the 2017 and the 2020 AI minor finals between both sides?

[we are more passionate]

I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?

Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.

But why even start the whataboutery

I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.

I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.

Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.

And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification

What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?

I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.

I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.

You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?

I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA

Absolutely never said such a thing. If you have 200 people at a match, there is more likelihood of a trouble maker being in attendance compared to a crowd of 20.

Also with increased numbers comes increased chances of people clashing with each other, verbally or physically in the crowd.

I don't know how soccer deals with abuse of referees. I do know that there are far too many loopholes and appeals in GAA when it comes to punishments and sanctions. Instead of sucking it up and taking your medicine, a lot of people's first reaction is to try and get out of the suspension.

There should be zero tolerance to abuse of referees, in any shape or form. Without them, there would simply be no games.

I don't believe crowd size is the issue, so much as virtually no sanctions in place for lack of control over supporters.

The way I see it is that if St Mary's were likely to lose a home fixture because their supporter big John Smith can't keep his mouth shut, then St Mary's wouldn't be long finding ways to educate or exclude Big John Smith.

Whereas at the minute, it's a load of nonsense, for if the same Big John Smith happens to get fingered for his actions, he'll get an 8 week ban from GAA games. And he'll be at matches every week for those 8 weeks.

I think that might be a bit of an excessive punishment, and not to mention illegal.

Mckinless has to be the biggest diver in sport. Embarrassing

he won't take Jordans crown, so don't you worry pet lol

Your only using Jordan as an example as u remember it from an all ireland final. Forest Gump is more recent than Derry appearing in and All Ireland Final and that ain't changing anytime soon. But mckinless can dive week in week out without that celtic cross. Lol

Chin up lad, dont you worry I've seen that Kerry side hammer good  teams.

Mckinless has to be the biggest diver in sport. Embarrassing

he won't take Jordans crown, so don't you worry pet lol

This shite that by Derry ones that we are punching above our weight needs to stop. Club level, schools level, we should always be at the top table, that's our level. If we fall short so be it, but that that should be the minimum expectation. Mc Kinkess amazing today, 100% man of the match, serious performance. Maybe I'm on a high, but I only see that team getting stronger. Murray be starti g next year for starters. I might be being biased but Ben McCarron is far better than what he has been credited for as well. Needs to go out and show it. Some footballers in Derry coming through as well.

Over coached boring system football.  Embarrassing watching the Mayo Dublin game after that.

Cork beat Mayo by 3 points, so I don't feel too embarrassed as a Derry man tbh

You were saying .....

well done you waited until the second half to make your opinion fit. I'll be honest our style might be a bit boring, but teams damn sure have to work to beat us. I honestly think that the games are only boring when we are up against a tema that believe they can't win unless they match the system. I think we will see a more open game with kerry as they will have no fear and go for it.

Is it over for Geezer?

Be careful what you wish for, Armagh have had very little success at underage level or club level. McGeeney has done well with the squad he has. Narrative seems to be different for Armagh than Monaghan but it should be the same.

From outside looking in Mcgeeney hasnt achieved much with Armagh or Kildare. However from any player interview they seem to think extremely highly of him. He's probably a decent manager but both sides need a tactical innovator to make the leap. We got it in Gallagher, but he's finished in the game now obviously and rightly so.

I enjoyed the game. Really don't get the hate for penalties. I think the finaih in the day is far better.ike so many have said before, sure what losing to a bad ref decison or that is just as bad if not worse.

Balls. I think this finish on the day is far better craic.

I voted for it anyway.
And I have no problem with Trans people, fluid or non binary or anything else.
Or Rhubarbs either.

Yes but but would you agree then that there is lots of narrow minded people down in Roscommon?