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Anyone any recommendations around Lake Garda, Verona, Venice?

Booked flights to Verona for next month but no accommodation yet

I see rumours about a PSNI officer shot in Omagh tonight. Not sure of details yet.

Edit:up on bbcni now. Off duty apparently.

Yep not rumours - Apparently shout outside sports complex. If it's anything paramilitary related they really are f**king clowns

Wankers

f**king senseless

Boho?!

Hard to beat local like Carlingford, all you see is 4 walls so what's the point in 3hour flights?

Was in Krakow for one, was class craic  to be fair but more about the lads and polish women as we never left a bar for 3 days (except to head back with a local blonde!
Gold Club and Pussycat clubs are something else 🤣

Budapest too is class with the bars and baths but with a group of lads you'll just hit a bar and stay there for 2 or 3 days

Casey alot quicker passing than Murray

Absolutely he was

Murray is so slow plus  greedy ...went for 3 tries himself when didn't have the power too

A d don't me tion his box kicking....

The officials in charge of that All Ireland final should never be let near a high profile game again.

Has O'Mahony refereed a game since? Not listed for this weekend. Who was the 4th official?

Wee weird runner who calls penalties outside the box and  fucks up All Irelands

Won't be missed

Don't want to go to Hawaii

Insane TV

Am I the only south Derry man who shares the same opinion as Malachy O'Rourke and Peter Canavan?
Won and lost on the pitch.

The ref fcuked it. Penalty given for a non foul outside the box when Glen had the game won. End of.

The penalty for the dive outside the box should be removed from the scoreboard

Job done. Glen's Cup

[It's reasonably clear that the 45 would have been taken short had Kilmacud only 15 men. Either Kilmacud would have had the same men in the same positions out the field, or one less man out there, either way a reasonable person would conclude the most likely scenario is the tactic would not have changed.]

The question going forward is do we start replaying games when there are faults made by officials? More serious ones that this happen all the time.

The issue here is that the rule book actually covers what happened with penalties stipulated. There is nothing to say there will be penalties if a ref doesn't give a penalty when he should or sends someone off wrongly etc.

It is irrelevant that Crokes did nothing wrong, the rule is clear about having only 15 players on the pitch, nevertheless the CCC have to examine the circumstances of that extra man being on the pitch. IMO it's clear enough that Glenn were disadvantaged by having to play against 16 players in that last play, however marginal that disadvantage

It's a proven fact that  Crokes had 16 players, the circumstance of that only allow for 3 penalties,  whether Crokes forfeit the game, a replay or a fine.  Imo the fine is out of the question therefore it's likely a replay  more than a forfeiture.

why is the fine out of the question? the rule mentions 'circumstances .   if Glen knew there was 16, why take the 45, why not wait until the ref did his job. the players didnt know there was the extra man. it didn't  figured into the decision of the 45 to go short or the shot to go where it did IMO... I think fine is likely, maybe after some DRA involvement.

Good point. If you accept for the sake of argument that Crokes did wrong (which as MR2 has explained and I agreed with, I don't accept, as I don't see anything they could have done differently to alert the player standing on the line that he was being taken off, given how quick the ref allowed the re-start)

But if you do, then the punishment depends on the "circumstances". So given the actual circumstances, is it possible to work out what was the most likely outcome?

Either the lads remaining on the line would have stood a little further away from each other to cover the gap left by Mullin, or more likely, an extra body would have dropped back, leaving one fewer body out the field.

The 45 was played short. It's reasonably clear that the 45 would have been taken short had Kilmacud only 15 men.  Either Kilmacud would have had the same men in the same positions out the field, or one less man out there, either way a reasonable person would conclude the most likely scenario is the tactic would not have changed.

When the recipient received the ball, two Glen players immediately entered the square. The full back on the near side and another player on the far side. Hard to know why they did this, but not unusual in the heat of the moment, and really no reason they would do anything differently in the revised scenario.

Therefore, "in the circumstances", it was pretty much impossible for Glen to score a legal goal.

This is bollocks. Top level club players react to circumstances and opportunities.
Fortress Kilmacud could have been tested with a lob into the square.

The game was undecided when the 45 was kicked.

No replay but I'd give Glen 10 45s against 15 men.

Bet they still wouldn't score.

I'd give them a penalty for a player encroaching at the 45. Penalties given out for fouls out the field so what odds

If this was 1st round of the Championship it would be replayed, no issue

Difficulty is it was a final, people feel shit for KC losing the cup and having to replay. Asterisk beside the win forever more  no matter what happens

But the MAJOR thing that is constantly overlooked is this....Glen were 6 to 1 up....a penalty was given for a debatable foul.....but whether it was or it wasn't.. if was DEFO OUTSIDE THE BOX

That is the biggest and totally forgotten about scandal

Penalty was well outside the box.

Totally changed the game yet its lost in all this

As David said the Officials are substandard. They are amateur in a game that is in reality, professional

Does S Walsh actually live in the catchment area. On review, is that penalty not outside the square and he falls inside?

Probably was just about outside but impossible for a ref to know for sure the way it played out. VAR would maybe have overturned it.

No probably about it.
It was outside.....the ref didnt give himself time to think, just got excited and immediately signalled for a penalty.

Generally tight ones are given as 13 yard frees.

It totally and utterly changed the game

Horrific call

What were City at giving Arsenal Zinchenko.

Absolute madness. He's a complete and utter baller. All the City players loved him and thought he was

Penalty all day, stupid tackle. He had plenty off cover

Not for me. Dropped like a sack and anyway it was outside the box

Typical that a tiny Wee traffic warden gave it though

Shane Walsh wins his all Ireland

Won't mean a f**king thing to him