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The early championship doesn't help either. Bobble hats at championship just isn't right. They're going up against PL run in. And pricing fans out of it. 20 euro for a seat and 15 for terrace would be enough. U16s need to be free. The crowds were abysmal yesterday. It's 1980s attendances.  It's as if they're doing it on purpose to get rid of the provincial. The gaa do nothing to promote the championship either. Its dying a death. We only have 3 games now . The 2  AI semis and the AI final.

If those 2 points prevent Liverpool winning the league then it's a great result. Give the 3 points to Arsenal in the final home game.

Westmeath last game in league lose to Sligo, the next week league final beat Down (most would say deservedly), the next week lose Leinster first round to Wicklow, make sense of that.

It doesn't say much for Down. Antrim could be difficult for Down on Saturday if they go defensive.

The only good thing from tonight is that we will be in the B competition again - something we might have a chance of winning. Otherwise another nothing year.
Those who are pouring the money in to pay the management should think about their investment. £250k paid in two years would have a pitch ready in Ballykinlar.

Tailteann is our level but we won't be winning it. Getting out of div 3 was the 1st goal. Very poor last night, I think really only  Kerr and Doherty played their normal solid performance. The rest were well below their norm, I count 11 final losses since 94. I'm not counting McKenna cup. Miles off the Armaghs of this world. I keep hearing them being compared to Derry. Nothing close to a Derry. We have no Glass, McGuigan etc.

Very poor performance. Dissapointing leaving croke pk. That all too familiar feel of defeat. Westmeath showed that they've been playing at a higher level. They're very well set up defensively, Down didn't get a clear goal scoring chance at all. Westmeath had a few. Was Ryan Johnson injured? Massive loss tonight. Rory Mason should've been on much sooner, if not starting. He never let's the team Down. McGovern given a start was very poor.

Big game tonight. Looking forward to it. Wide open croke pk should suit Down. Need to get over the line in a final. I count I think 10 final losses since 1994. Ulster championships, all Ireland final, Tailteann, various leagues. Be a big boost to get the mentality right.  Also the added bonus of a step closer to Sam maguire competition.

Charlie Smyth signed by New Orleans Saints - Very well done 👏🏻

Fantastic for the lad. Best of luck to him. It will be some experience.

Are the finals on Saturday not something we should be yelling about on social media?

Why?
Croke pks already got 2 other finals on Sunday.

McGovern was unlucky, black card was harsh and stopped him from having a chance to really get into the game.

The second full forward position is defs up for grabs. Savage got a run at the start and then James Guinness but neither really grabbed the jersey. I thought Gilmore or Conor McCrickard would have got more game time but hasn't happened. Not sure how far away Barry O'Hagan is but defs an opportunity for someone to make their mark there so it could still well be McGovern.

Only other potential change I would want is O'Hare hitting 45s! Surely we have an alternative? Missed 3 and one of which was way out in the sideline...should not be taking that shot on, it's such a low percentage shot, if an outfield player took that shot he would probs be whipped straight off yet we allow our keeper to do it (and he ain't exactly Began, Morgan, Cluxton etc from 45s).

In fairness, I think O'Hare has been pretty accurate from 45s this year before Sunday. I wouldn't be rushing to make a change after one bad day. Not sure who else would hit them anyway.

2 of the 3 45s he took were way out on his left practically on the sideline

Charlie Smyth has been offered a contract according to RTE

I think it's a trial with New Orleans

Jesus that Harris fella is hard to listen to. Something about him, actually worse than Leo.

He reminds me of Sean Thornton from circle of friends.

Yeah McGovern came on for Guinness because of his early yellow. Then McGovern got black carded for trying to trip a clare player. Deserved to ve taken off for that alone. He put his team under pressure for a silly decision. I'm sure he will learn from that.

The black box thing is a load of shite. Driving too slow is hazardous as well. Limiting young ones to 1.2 litre would make more sense.

Good idea, Very hard to police though.

I see vans are limited to 50mph. 

Think it be handy enough to police, when getting insurance and your licence issue date is within the last 2 years when the insurer puts the vehicle reg in it gives you the vehicle details. if its engine size is over 1.2 then they cant offer a policy. honestly, the saying speed kills is so true, not saying it'll solve everything but it would certainly cut down on how severe some accidents are.

The 1.2 will soon be nulled when everyone is in an electric car that goes from 0 to 60 in 2 seconds. 

No problem with staging a game. The  aviva prob shouldn't be hosting concerts during a season thry know it may be needed. But croke pk hosting a fan zone? I hope they're getting well paid for that. Because they charge their own patrons enough to view their games. 

Andy Moran desperately wants to play the div 4 league final. He said it will be a massive week in Leitrim ahead of their trip to croke pk.  Div 3 final winners have  a Sam maguire place to play for.