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#61
General discussion / Re: Judge Carney v Majella Holohan
October 11, 2007, 03:47:00 PM
Heres the deal with the sample:



  The Irish Times has learned that the semen, which was initially matched to Wayne O'Donoghue, was not introduced by the DPP after the scientist who carried out the tests expressed some doubts after testing a second sample.

The first sample was taken from the palm of Robert's left hand by State Pathologist Dr Marie Cassidy at postmortem and, along with other samples from Robert's body, was given priority by the gardaí and sent to Britain for analysis.

A team under Dr Jonathan Whitaker at the Forensic Science Service laboratory at Wetherby, Yorkshire, tested the sample using a new DNA-testing technique called low copy number (LCN), which allows matches to be found from very few sample cells.

Dr Whitaker tested the swab taken from Robert's palm and compared it with a DNA sample taken from O'Donoghue when he was arrested by gardaí on January 16th, 2005.

Dr Whitaker concluded the likelihood of the semen sample coming from anyone else but O'Donoghue was one in 70 million and, on foot of his report in the spring, the DPP directed that O'Donoghue be charged with Robert's murder.

However, gardaí had also taken a number of items from O'Donoghue's house, including a mat from the bathroom where he said he had lain Robert, as he tried to revive him after strangling him outside the house on January 4th.

Samples of material taken from this bathroom mat were later sent to Wetherby where Dr Whitaker again carried out DNA LCN testing and concluded it also contained semen which was not identical to the semen from Robert's hand.

This second sample led him to express some doubts about his first analysis and he revised his report, declining to give a statistical likelihood of the first sample belonging to anyone else but O'Donoghue.

Upon receipt of Dr Whitaker's second amended report on the semen found on Robert's hand, the DPP decided it would be unsafe to introduce the sample as evidence as it was not sufficiently certain and could prejudice the State's case.



So because they found a second sample on the mat they were forced to revise their opinion on the first (presumably since it may have come from the mat also?) - its not conclusive but strangely if no seamen had been found on the mat he would have been charged with murder - you would think that they would have to find O'Donohue's seamen on the mat to invalidate the first conclusion. In any case while I am completely sympathetic to the Mother there needs to be consistency in how the law is applied and this will mean evidence is not allowed.

Again you would hope that this case is a rarity and that there would be no major disputes over evidence.
#62
General discussion / Re: Judge Carney v Majella Holohan
October 11, 2007, 02:07:49 PM
The Guards told her at the time - from what I read at the time the sample was deemed inadmissible because it was contaminated and the lab in England would not stand over it - they have to be 100% certain. Although it did sound very much like the guy was very lucky otherwise he could well have been doing life instead of 4 years.

Very tricky situation with impact statements - victims very obviously have a right to be heard but the 2 impact statements I have heard changed my whole opinion about the cases - this one and the Anabells one. The law has to be rigid and if evidence is not allowed then it shouldn't form part of a victim statement since its not admissible in court -where would this end otherwise?

You would hope, though, that most cases wouldn't have the evidence issues this one did.
#63
General discussion / Re: Books
October 10, 2007, 02:49:34 PM
Just about to finish  'The Great War for Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East' by Robert Fisk. Excellent read especially for the first hand accounts he gives of the countries and people.
#64
General discussion / Re: Supporting England?
October 09, 2007, 11:37:04 AM
have to be honest and say I dont mind seeing the English football team do well - not that it happens much. not sure I want to see them win anything mind you.

Also support the cricket team - especially against the Australians who I couldnt see beat enough
#65
General discussion / Re: Bebo Facebook or Myspace
September 21, 2007, 12:29:08 PM
Cant believe that facebook has the older membership - its just dumb - send pokes, hugs, drinks, spells - cant have it at all - much rather have bebo but nobody I know is on it

Obviously wouldnt be on any of them where it not for need to keep in touch with family abroad :P
#66
QuoteWhat is it the Free State can offer that can compensate for the loss of the slush fund that is the British Treasury

That arguments weak they might have more money but they also have around 55 million more people to share it around. Gordon Brown has made it clear the days of throwing money at the North are over - its not like he doesnt have his own pressing economic problems.
#67
QuoteDrumcondra Bagman.

Quality Donagh as opposed to the Poleglass bagman yous boys used  ;)

I'd doubt there are huge numbers of unionists willing to vote FF for economic gain - FF will be a primarily Nationalist party.

I'd be of the opinion that as many have said FF they are only interested in power and are covering their bets by moving into the North. FF are not the only ones who believe that the present political momentum may lead to a form of unity - just ask Sir Kenneth Bloomfield. And if this happens then it will stand to them to have a head start on FG etc. It has the added benefit of giving them some say in the Northern administration which might have economic benefits North and South and allowing then to completely remove SF's claim to be the only truly Republican party and heading off any remaining SF challenge in the 26.

Although unity in any form remote at the minute but its long past the time we stopped looking for immediate resolution of the issue and looked long term.
#68
QuoteJust as the FFers hammered the soft southern Shinners in the last Free State election,

Does the tone and the word soft not indicate that you lay the blame for the election loss with the Southern element of the party?

The SF result in the election must be blamed on Adams after his dismal performance and also because he is party leader. Even Rabbitte took responsibility.
#69
If FF organize in the North you can be dam sure it will hit the SF wote as well as the SDLP vote if they havent merged (although I doubt they will move North unless its with a SDLP merger).

SF were slapped in the Southern elections and its fascinating to hear this blamed on the Southern party members and not on the shambolic Northern leadership and in particular Adams and his complete failure to articulate a coherent economic policy. In addition his performance in the tv debate was laughable and sank the election campaign.

It would be great to have FF in the North as the SDLP are gone and Northern nationalism deserves better than SF which at present is the only viable option.
#70
General discussion / Re: What is a Lundy?
September 11, 2007, 04:51:45 PM
Cheers for that!
#71
General discussion / What is a Lundy?
September 11, 2007, 04:45:52 PM
Reading Roy Garland's piece in the Irish Times and he uses the term Lundy - I've heard this many times before and  know that its an implied insult to Unionists but what does it refer to?

#72
great thread!!!!

Mine would be a Specials classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGDQ85Dg-ss
#73
General discussion / Re: Broadband from 3
August 17, 2007, 09:54:34 AM
I would seriously advise you to stay away from these bunch of complete clowns unless you have absolutely no other choice.

Their customer service is non existent - I could spend the rest of the day going on about what happened to me. Seriously they're just complete crap.

#74
General discussion / Re: 3 mobile network
July 26, 2007, 09:37:51 AM
Under no circumstances go near these bunch of f**king clowns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They have NO customer service and are the biggest shower of incompetent bastards I have ever seen.

Seriously!
#75
General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
July 19, 2007, 11:29:16 AM
On a bit of a side issue..

Does anybody have a table or something that tells you what sort of golf clubs your supposed to have depending on your height? I mean when do you use +1 or +2 clubs?

Cheers