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Agreed, Meyler should really have got footballer of the year in 2021, spent the summer shutting down the opposition's main men while also contributing further up the field. And one of the players who has maintained that form since. A great player!

Maybe Donegal weren't the best last night but a much better Tyrone performance. Hopefully we can give the next one a real go too and see what happens.

No consensus on a slate of winners for this weekend which is a very positive outcome for the extended championship.
Donegal Tyrone will be fascinating this evening, the underlying animosity and stage of championship have converged.

When is the last time they played a knockout game?

Donegal v Tyrone 2018 round 3 Super 8 game was basically a knock out tie.

Ulster semi final 2021 and first round of Ulster in 2020, both knock out ties in those Covid impacted championships.

I am looking forward to this game. Absolute do or die.  Genuinely think there is a lot of things starting to go right there as well. We can  improve massively on the things that we were doing wrong.

Agree with this to an extent, at about 60 minutes against Westmeath I felt Tyrone were coming on nicely. We had coasted along then stepped up a level and created a gap and I expected us to finish the job there and win by 5 or 6 points or more. It looked like a few men were stepping up. The subsequent collapse was bizarre. We shouldn't be so dependent on the leadership of Donnelly and Harte at this stage - but after the strange last couple of years we are - and removing them and sending in inexperienced heads late on was a mistake that should not he repeated. Even knackered older players would have been more useful.

But still, take the best parts of last week and put McCurry back in and Tyrone would still be awkward opponents for most. The option of McShane off the bench, although he must be a fair bit off it, is another potential boost.

It isn't beyond Tyrone at all to win today and beat any of the teams already in the last 8. Has to be said though, it feels like a real stretch to think we could really bring it all together and win a few games after so many disjointed performances over the past two years, a real leap of faith. Unfortunate as Kerry and Dublin have been unconvincing, lots of questions about Mayo and Galway, and I don't really rate Derry and Armagh as top teams. Tyrone after 2021 looked like a team that could kick on further but even had we stayed at that level we'd have had a great shot at Sam last year and this year. Instead we have gone backwards so much and it's a huge missed opportunity.

Second match in a row that has happened at it the end.

Really lacking leadership from 6-11.

The decision to take off key men late on and replace them with inexperienced players, however tired the old heads were, was crazy. The game was effectively  won yet we end up hanging on.

There is a very good team there if set up correctly but unfortunately we've been a bit of a mess since 2021. Logan and Dooher did an amazing job to deliver that title but they haven't been able to build on it and it's hard to see what the plan is. A change after the summer would probably make sense.

Another erratic performance from Tyrone. Probably says a fair bit about the standard of this group that Tyrone almost won it without playing very well in any of the three games.

The black card/penalty decision was incredible but ultimately Tyrone had the game won regardless yet ended up somehow hanging on at the death. The decision to sub off old heads for rookies looked extremely dubious, however tired they might have been.

Tyrone might still be awkward opponents yet - and McCurry obviously makes a big difference - but the team lacks identity. A wasted opportunity in a season where the Championship is pretty open. It looks very much like a managerial change is required once the summer is up.

Thought Westmeath did very well in all of their games. 1 point a poor return for them - they could have won the group.

Typical enough Tyrone performance of the past wee while. First half was in general good and Petey Harte should have put the goal away and pretty much finished the game. After the red - and it was clearly a red - immediately after that chance Tyrone became pedestrian. I never felt there was any danger until Morgan fell on his arse at the end but second half simply not good enough. The team has gone backwards massively from 2021 but still wouldn't be sure they don't have a big performance or two in them against top opposition. Similarly, I wouldn't he hugely surprised if they lost to Westmeath.

Overall feel like I did before the game, one team who have dropped out of the elite and another who won't ever get there.

Never seen so little interest in a "championship " game between Tyrone and Armagh.
Tells you everything you need to know about the new format.

I suppose there has never been an Armagh and Tyrone championship game where both sides have already lost a game and can lose this one too and still progress. No surprise in that respect that the build up feels less intense and I suspect the match will too in comparison to some of the clashes of the past. That said, I'm sure it will be hectic enough when Saturday evening comes around.

Once again hard to know where Tyrone really are. League was up and down, Monaghan game in Ulster was up and down, even Galway game had positives but undermined completely by poor discipline. And then further questions since with more departures from panel. Tyrone were in a position in 2021 where they could have got even better. Unfortunately they have gone the other way. Still well capable of beating anyone if they get their tails up but it's extremely hard to see them doing that over a few games now. And they could just as easily lose the next two and exit before the knockout.

I'm still not entirely sure about Armagh either. Didn't beat anybody of note to reach Ulster final and I felt that was a poor quality encounter too. Perhaps Saturday will see them find a bit of spark and catapult themselves on for a few weeks but I do wonder is this a clash between one side who have dropped out of the elite pack and another who aren't going to be capable of getting into that group.

Tyrone could conceivably lose narrowly to Armagh then draw with Westmeath and still advance, making it into the knockout stage with 1 draw and 3 defeats from 4 Championship games.

Whatever about Gough in general, surely there is no sense of injustice about the red card yesterday?

Don't see how anyone can complain about it, definite red and moment of madness from Burns.

I would complain about the black card though. It was a keenly anticipated game, Tyrone lose a man early on then soon after there is a high hit on a Tyrone man, it's hardly a surprise that players are fired up. A good ref there takes Morgan to one side and tells him he dealt with the two incidents accordingly and just calm down. Instead he flashes a black card and adds to the ill-feeling. You could also question his handling of consistent cynical fouling.

He certainly didn't cost Tyrone but it was an erratic display of refereeing.

Looking at the incident on the Sunday Game it just looks like a badly timed challenge.  A guy of his experience should know better but we need to cut him some slack at the same time.  Think we can have sone complaints about gough as well.  Clothes line from galway player n then Morgan gets black carded!!

The truth is somewhere between "banishing" him and "cutting him some slack". It's more than badly timed, it's a ridiculous challenge which pretty much ended our hopes yesterday and undermined what went on to be a very good team effort in tough circumstances. I would hope the management make clear to Frank Burns that what he did was totally unacceptable and cannot be repeated. I'd have a word in the ear of Kennedy too, another who is a good player but prone to daft challenges. As a team there are lessons to be learned here.

There was a lot to admire about Tyrone yesterday. The situation at 0-7 to 0-3 against a good team and a man down looked dire yet they ended up within a score at the end. But the discipline must improve or we'll do nothing. Too easy to blame Gough as well. Yes he made a string of increasingly erratic calls but the players have to be much smarter.

Bound to be some history in the fact Tyrone have lost 4 consecutive championship matches since winning the All Ireland.

Has this ever happened before??

Hasn't happened to Tyrone anyway, they beat Fermanagh in their first game in Ulster last year.

😂😂 fair enough I forgot about that massive victory!!!

Important to get your facts right when trolling! I haven't forgotten the massive victory the year before. Don't remember Derry's sole All Ireland success so well

Bound to be some history in the fact Tyrone have lost 4 consecutive championship matches since winning the All Ireland.

Has this ever happened before??

Hasn't happened to Tyrone anyway, they beat Fermanagh in their first game in Ulster last year.

There's zero pressure from Tyrone on the Galway forwards.

Galway managing the game. It's simple for them. No goals and they have it wrapped up. They don't need to take risks. That's why talk of 14 players etc etc is pointless. They're managing the game out. Armagh should take lessons.

Well they didn't manage it particularly well when they played almost the whole game against 14 and a spell against 13 yet only win by a score and indeed having to survive a late effort at a goal  . You're giving Galway far too much credit there, rather than managing the game well they actually failed to put Tyrone away when they were in a hugely advantageous position. At the same time they win without playing well and that's no bad way to start a group stage.

For Tyrone it was a spirited second half, in fact Tyrone actually managed an almost hopeless position very well from the black card on. But the challenge from Burns was madness and we won't do anything with ill discipline like that.

Absolutely moronic challenge by Burns and he has let his team down badly with that. Subsequent refereeing pretty erratic as Gough lost control of things but that's hardly a great surprise and Tyrone need to be a lot smarter. Did well enough to come in only three behind but very hard to see how this can be turned around in these circumstances.

People forget Tyrone scored 2 from play over 70mins in that game.

They also forget Tyrone were completely average with only about 3 good players!

It wasn't in the same class as the Tyrone side of the following decade but very few teams were. "Completely average with only about 3 good players" is though of course a ridiculous statement. Most of those men had been outstanding u21 players. They won back to back Ulsters at a time when the province was exceptionally competitive (and coming off 4 AIs in a row). It must be said that they didn't perform well enough in the AI semi or final. That said, had Cush and McGleenan been fit for the final the attacking options would have been much stronger and Tyrone would likely have won. Similary the 96 team with Cavlan and Dooher was another step up - but so were Meath. For all that, Tyrone still only lost by a point in controversial circumstances. They can't have been too bad . As a pedant too I must say, it was 1-13 to 0-13 against Galway and not 0-14.

Have no idea what to expect Saturday with Tyrone having a stop start season and no real pattern of form since 2021. There were flashes in the league and indeed a positive first half against Monaghan but a lot of poor enough showings too. Not beyond them to turn it around but as it stands it's hard to be overly optimistic. Dooher and Logan certainly need a good couple of months to show they are the men to take the team on, if that's what they want to do.