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Social media has a lot to answer for. Nameless faceless cowards doing that. (I am aware I am anonymous here but don't go round abusing people!)

That clown wasn't even faceless or nameless. He used his facebook account the twit. Imagine being so deep into hatred that you can't see the abuse from your own account. He'll get a knock on the door I'd say

What percentage of Gaaboarders know the playing rules fully?

Not many. I thought I knew the rules quite well, but found that one out in 2022. So every day a school day and all that

No more rule changes until we can properly enforce the rules we have. Can barley go 1 week without seeing 2 refs who have very different interpretation of the rules.

Players constantly blew for touching ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you to.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-rules-ball-ground-169516

Certain refs enforcing third man in when it suits and ignoring it other times etc etc

Touching the ball on the ground if knocked to the ground while in possession.. standard rule and strange why anyone doesn't know it

You can't though just randomly touch on the ground or strike it without being initially in possession

Majority of time the player who has the ball gets knocked to the ground he envibilty touches it on the groubd he gets blown for it. Never seen this rule implemented

I don;t think they do actually. In Tailteann Cup final 2022, a Westmeath player fell to the ground, and played the ball along the ground in the build up to their goal. We were incensed. But turns out when a player falls to ground, they can indeed allow the ball to touch the ground and play it. Now that I know this rule (didn't before this one) I've noticed it and see refs allowing it

Jarlth has plans to look at the game of football and change its negativity

Going to be difficult

I vowed never to type this up again. But I can't help it.

The fundamental problem with football is that the value of possession greatly outweighs the value of territory.

So instead of the rule makers looking at gimmicks - like the advanced mark - they need to look at the fundamental structures of the game.

Bring in the half court rule (no returning over either 45) and bring in a substantial penalty for breaking the rule (45m free from hand or the ground).

There will be a period of adjustment when (particular club) teams who've spent the past 10 years protecting the D, are afraid to leave the D at all. But it'll slowly dawn on everyone that when the opposition press you, the best thing you can do is move the ball quickly into the spaces left in their half. And I before long they'll understand that if they don't score every time it doesn't matter - as the ball will be returned to them much more often under these principles.

Under these rules Id just coach my team to play Mourinho ball. Take an early lead. Then simply retreat all 15 of our players into my own half. If the opposing team are down 3/4 points they can't just sit back. They must advance into our half. And once they do they're trapped in it. Win a turnover and break into the oceans of space present in their half because all of my team and a large proportion of theirs are in my half.

This would ingrain the current extra-time tactic of mass retreat by the leading team.

Someone gets it...

Just as an aside.

Your annoyance at "arbitrary lines" is perhaps OTT.

All field sports are founded upon arbitrary lines being drawn to signal the boundaries of the playing area.

I'm surely not alone in being in awe at the awareness, skill and perception shown by rugby players and NFL players - on both sides of the ball - when the presence of a sideline (or endline, or 20m line, or 10 yard imaginary line) can influence the current play.

Neither of these sports see arbitrary lines as a problem, just a necessary mechanism for keeping the game moving. Why not Gaelic football?

I don't think it is OTT. You are saying once you pass a 45 you can't return. That literally is drawing an arbitrary line or barrier you can't return past and I cannot see in any way how this helps the game other than players and coaches finding a way to make it a mess for a turnover

"In any way"?

You honestly can't see how the back court rule would reward teams for pressing up and pushing the opposition out?

 I do think you've settled on a position before considering it.

Absolutely I've thought of it. It rewards pressing like you say, in a U. So everyone drops back immediately to the 45 line to crowd the area. Where's the space for attacks with so many back? And then you swarm a fella who steps a foot inside the 45? Why over reward defence and not try and get ways to open space and get lads to attack instead?

It's not devised to over-reward defensive pressure. It's devised as a deterrent to the endless recycling of possession through skill-less handpassing into acres of space; the single greatest blight on Gaelic Football.

The value of possession currently dominates that of territory. Until this is addressed our game will continue to be an abomination.

But you just said it'd reward defensive pressure. that's my point about the law of unintended consequence. You'd try fix something with a major rule change, and you'd make it far worse instead

Just as an aside.

Your annoyance at "arbitrary lines" is perhaps OTT.

All field sports are founded upon arbitrary lines being drawn to signal the boundaries of the playing area.

I'm surely not alone in being in awe at the awareness, skill and perception shown by rugby players and NFL players - on both sides of the ball - when the presence of a sideline (or endline, or 20m line, or 10 yard imaginary line) can influence the current play.

Neither of these sports see arbitrary lines as a problem, just a necessary mechanism for keeping the game moving. Why not Gaelic football?

I don't think it is OTT. You are saying once you pass a 45 you can't return. That literally is drawing an arbitrary line or barrier you can't return past and I cannot see in any way how this helps the game other than players and coaches finding a way to make it a mess for a turnover

"In any way"?

You honestly can't see how the back court rule would reward teams for pressing up and pushing the opposition out?

 I do think you've settled on a position before considering it.

Absolutely I've thought of it. It rewards pressing like you say, in a U. So everyone drops back immediately to the 45 line to crowd the area. Where's the space for attacks with so many back? And then you swarm a fella who steps a foot inside the 45? Why over reward defence and not try and get ways to open space and get lads to attack instead?

Just as an aside.

Your annoyance at "arbitrary lines" is perhaps OTT.

All field sports are founded upon arbitrary lines being drawn to signal the boundaries of the playing area.

I'm surely not alone in being in awe at the awareness, skill and perception shown by rugby players and NFL players - on both sides of the ball - when the presence of a sideline (or endline, or 20m line, or 10 yard imaginary line) can influence the current play.

Neither of these sports see arbitrary lines as a problem, just a necessary mechanism for keeping the game moving. Why not Gaelic football?

I don't think it is OTT. You are saying once you pass a 45 you can't return. That literally is drawing an arbitrary line or barrier you can't return past and I cannot see in any way how this helps the game other than players and coaches finding a way to make it a mess for a turnover

Opposition from certain unionists, commentators and some in the media   to Casement is grounded solely in their own sectarian outlook. To say otherwise is a lie. £63M for a f**king ice bowl, no bother. Says it all. Take the £50m from the  Irish Govt and the £65m from the Executive  top it up from our  own coffers build  a GAA stadium as best we can and let NI play home games in the Aviva.

That might very well happen. And a nice stadium it will be too. But we have an opportunity for a great stadium that will be a legacy for the area for a very long time, and will pay itself of very quickly. A UEFA grade stadium that Ulster and wider GAA community can have for use for it's games? Yes please

Coaches will try to coach around whatever is presented to  them dreadnought, for the one unifying principle of GAA coaching seems to be to never coach skills when you can coach ways to compensate for a lack of skill, instead.

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Honestly I believe you're missing a small part of the thought process here, which is the bit that connects it all.

Should two teams have absolutely no interest or intent in attacking then there is no rule changes that make the game into a spectacle. This is the same in every sport.

Where football suffers in comparison to other sports, is that if one of the teams is determined to spoil the game by eating the clock, retaining the ball etc, that it is pretty much necessary for their opponents to mirror that type of football. If not, they'll tire themselves out chasing the ball around, mentally as much as physically.

What the backcourt rule would do is ensure that if one team wants to play football, then the other team can't spoil it (entirely) for them. For when the attack-minded team presses, the opposition simply has to come out; they will not have the room within their own 45 to play keep ball.... And once they've left that third of the field, it's closed off to them, meaning the attack-minded team has a much smaller space again in which to press them.

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Would coaches spend hours at training setting up "u formations"? You know what... initially some would. And it would even work sometimes. But then you have to begin to balance things up. Should you have a policy of 4-5 men committing wherever possible to "forcing a 45", is that 45 enough of a reward for the fact that if the opponent gets the ball away, an overlap is statistically inevitable?

They absolutely will. But either way, the game needs tweaks, not huge changes that may irreversibly change the game. Coaches will try get around it so we need tweaks to adjust issues to try and streamline it and make the game more attacking and open. We are trying to chase a utopia style game that never actually existed in the past based on what ol' boys used to talk about. What we can do is try and make the modern game better. But coming up with mad stuff like no returning over a line is really odd. it's a field sport, but we'd reduce the field at certain times when we're trying to make more space?

[Bring in the half court rule (no returning over either 45)]

Jarlth has plans to look at the game of football and change its negativity

Going to be difficult

I vowed never to type this up again. But I can't help it.

The fundamental problem with football is that the value of possession greatly outweighs the value of territory.

So instead of the rule makers looking at gimmicks - like the advanced mark - they need to look at the fundamental structures of the game.

Bring in the half court rule (no returning over either 45) and bring in a substantial penalty for breaking the rule (45m free from hand or the ground).

There will be a period of adjustment when (particular club) teams who've spent the past 10 years protecting the D, are afraid to leave the D at all. But it'll slowly dawn on everyone that when the opposition press you, the best thing you can do is move the ball quickly into the spaces left in their half. And I before long they'll understand that if they don't score every time it doesn't matter - as the ball will be returned to them much more often under these principles.

How can you actually police this? Would this not be the very essence of law of unintended consequence? I already see many issues with this by barely thinking if it for a few seconds. Coaches will try coach around it. So will it in fact slow up play, and players won't pass the 45 until they are ready to. What then if defenders can block a player off in a U formation to force the ball carrier back one direction and give up a free? That'd look horrible. This isn't basketball with a small court, 10 players, non-contact, and a shot clock. Making arbitrary lines is just silly and cannot see how it makes the game any better otehr than ruining teh spectacle even more

As far as I can see the Ulster Council can't produce any evidence of a funding commitment.  Did Chris Heaton Harris tell them something over a scone, sure that's worth nothing with a Tory Minister.

Where is the requirement that Ulster GAA must provide this? If they've been told it's being funded why the need to tell us?

No need, although it is central to the whole issue and if they had something concrete, it wouldn't be hard to say what the commitment actually was - a letter, an email, a conversation???.

But the point I'm actually making is that some people are boldly saying it 'will' be built, but how can you be so sure the UK government will stump up the missing £100+ million?

As don't think they can afford not to. It'll pay back multiples of that, and the optics will be extremely bad otherwise

I think Heaton Harris has rowed back a bit since his initial commitment but I'd be surprised if they didn't pony up.
That said, we're in the dark as regards the actual figures at play here. Perhaps, like the GAA, the British govt had a bottom line figure they weren't intending to budge on.

Regardless of funding, where are we on time?
When do we expect to see an appointed contractor?
Will it be ready for Euro 2028 (2027)? It must be very tight and is it likely to continue without any other delays?
What would no Euro 2028 mean for the stadium?

They need a contractor this autumn to have a mid 2027 completion date. 2027 Ulster final was the target, but will be just beyond that now. Obviously with that time frame, works can start a little later. But can't be going beyond late 27 or early 28. We see some tournaments with stadia finished weeks before, but can't be at that here.

If no Euros, it means the area does not draw in the injection fans would give and it's meant to be worth a lot. 300 million for the island, so fair slice of that lost to Belfast area. Consequently, if no Euros, the plans could be revised as need to decide if a UEFA grade stadium is still needed. The costs have risen due to the need for the additional UEFA grade 3 facilities that a GAA only stadium doesn't need

Who came up with the Euros idea ?

Uk were in initially, then Ireland joined in which meant the 5 football associations covering the areas. A joint bid either way for the 2 governments, with them bidding for 2028 meaning they withdrew a bid for 2030 World Cup too.

I think Heaton Harris has rowed back a bit since his initial commitment but I'd be surprised if they didn't pony up.
That said, we're in the dark as regards the actual figures at play here. Perhaps, like the GAA, the British govt had a bottom line figure they weren't intending to budge on.

Regardless of funding, where are we on time?
When do we expect to see an appointed contractor?
Will it be ready for Euro 2028 (2027)? It must be very tight and is it likely to continue without any other delays?
What would no Euro 2028 mean for the stadium?

They need a contractor this autumn to have a mid 2027 completion date. 2027 Ulster final was the target, but will be just beyond that now. Obviously with that time frame, works can start a little later. But can't be going beyond late 27 or early 28. We see some tournaments with stadia finished weeks before, but can't be at that here.

If no Euros, it means the area does not draw in the injection fans would give and it's meant to be worth a lot. 300 million for the island, so fair slice of that lost to Belfast area. Consequently, if no Euros, the plans could be revised as need to decide if a UEFA grade stadium is still needed. The costs have risen due to the need for the additional UEFA grade 3 facilities that a GAA only stadium doesn't need

There are quite a few posters here with an attitude that the British Government 'will' pay out, and Casement 'will' be built.

Where is that confidence coming from?  As far as I can see the Ulster Council can't produce any evidence of a funding commitment.  Did Chris Heaton Harris tell them something over a scone, sure that's worth nothing with a Tory Minister.

It's all about leverage.  The Assembly is back so no real leverage there. The stand-off over the £113 million doesn't help because not only do Stormont not want to raise that, they also want another £100 mill from Treasury for Casement, well most parties do - the DUP inevitably having fun muddying the waters. And what if someone in Government is quietly scoping out a Plan B stadium for the Euros, you would think that's a prudent thing to do to give their Ministers options.

I can't figure out how the Ulster Council is in a strong position here.

Think it'll be more down to Westminster than Stormont. Heaton-Harris was quite ambivalent and non committal last week in talks on various things which included Casement. But then next day Varadkar announced the 40 million amongst other things. There will be face saving here. They know they can't do nothing now, with Shared Ireland initiative and their own obligations. They also have funds set aside and a project plan both for the Euros and investment in NI. I know Unionists will happily cut off their nose to save their face, but UK govt is another thing and if it didn't happen there would be uproar. They also know what money it'd bring in just by hosting it, and how it pays a vast chunk back immediately. I just can't see how they can let this one slide politically over 100 million

Sensible post by UUP Cllr.

https://twitter.com/mclaren_linzi/status/1762098575566135753?t=M8EW_Gf2e2tL6RxBZBGiIQ&s=19

This lady is what the future of politics should be. Fair play to her.

Deleted, what did it say? Was she speaking too much common sense?

She was. basically that she sees the reason for it. She deleted the 1st in the thread, but the other tweets under remain

https://twitter.com/mclaren_linzi/status/1762098577327771767