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will he not show up at some club team in a few years

Surely any club would know that in the present state of affairs (absence of a clear denial of wrongdoing) the appointment would, rightly, be unsustainable.

RG is not powerless here. He could start by stating his innocence.

Is the gaaboard the place for speculation on who gets custody of someone's children!?

Absolutely not.

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And not one of those posts by me even mention a criminal investigation.

If you are wanting someone to investigate a potential crime, determine the truth and then take action based on the outcome of said investigation, then it is a criminal investigation.

Criminal investigations can be conducted by people other than the police you know.

Well in my experience criminal investigations are carried out by the police.

The questions that I and other feel Derry should have asked when they became aware of the allegations have already been set out. But I am sure in time Derry will confirm all of this.

There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield

So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened

When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.

All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here

Mc Geeney needs to take ONeill to the side and tell him to concentrate on the football only and try to stop being the hard man.

Would make a more meaningful impact on the game.

This bit I agree with.

There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield

So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened

No, it seems he is a Conservative MP

Last week it's was Gallagher now this week it's week it's mc guigan who nearly had his thumb broken into the bargain yous lads are bad news crying after the event,I could pick several misdemeanor s from sun past

Surely that's whataboutery?

The Gallagher and McGuigan allegations are entirely different. And the Gallagher allegation is of an entirely different order of magnitude. Even linking them is distasteful.

But both merit further investigation. But no link between the 2.

There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield

To say there is zero chance is possibly overstating it?

The circumstantial evidence is remarkably consistent with him biting. Will that be sufficient to sanction him? I don't know.

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An incredible post. Show me where I said Derry had to conduct a criminal investigation?

Right here: "the matter will have to be fully investigated" along with all the preceding sentences

Then straight after, again you were at it: "if a county board receives such a serious allegation that they need to take steps to, to the best of their ability, reassure themselves that there is no truth to the allegation"


Unless your happy with a half-assed investigation by ill-equipped and ill-qualified volunteers that could turn up anything? Oh wait, you'd likely be first in the queue to decry them for not doing it right.

All the CB could do would be to ask the person the allegation was made against, and take their word for it if they plead their innocence. They aren't in a position to do anything else.

And not one of those posts by me even mention a criminal investigation.

Pretty clear bite from footage I seen
Will get the book threw at him for that one

Probably. But not definitely.

My take.
Morgan definitely fouls McGuigan.
Gough is correct to award free.
O'Neill is nowhere near the incident and has no business getting involved.
Free is given on 65m line.
O'Neill wrongly runs in and gets involved.
From the stand I saw O'Neill going down. I knew he hadn't been hit on the head and I wrongly thought he was milking it by holding his head with his left hand.
On that viewing Gough is correct to move it up 13m (that would make it a 52m free).
Gough, unaware of any bite or bite allegation, moves it up 20m.
Mcguigan steals the customary 2 further metres and impressively knocks it over from 43m.
Gouge's only error here is the distance the free has been moved. But that is still a pretty big error given the margin of the error and bringing the free from outside range to within.
O'Neill does raise it with Gough after the game but before penalties. All Gough can do is record it for further investigation. It definitely seems to do the former.
Watching the incident back McGuigan's mouth area is in contact with O'Neill in the area he subsequently indicates. Unless there is a different angle the main tv footage doesn't show the bite. But O'Neill does immediately reach for the impact area with his right hand. Indicating something has happened.

It doesn't look good for McGuigan. I think there definitely will be an investigation but what it can definitively prove could be another matter.

So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?

Who has actually said that?

It's not so much as said that, but people have done it and it works. The case here in question I'm totally behind Mrs Gallagher my point is that anyone can send an email or go on to social media and make claims about someone.

Would you be happy if you had allegations (true or false) made public via social media that would have wider implications on your kids and job and that would have even more implications on caring for your children should you lose your job over it?

The courts are there for a reason, to settle these issues. Court by social media though seems to be the way of the world.

Nobody is saying the courts should not do their job but right back at the beginning of this the "suspended pending investigation" route was explained and what steps you would need to take before suspending the individual.

Derry had their own decision to make and steps to take. All of which have already been set out.

Well if you don't think they are true, why post them, about time people dealt in facts only, not I heard from this mucker. All this rumour shit the way Trump edged himself to power in America by spreading enough misinformation.

You understand the word "if"?

Another poster makes an allegation. I comment that the allegation is serious but state that I don't know if it's true or not but that it seems unlikely given the wider circumstances. I can't see what your problem with that is. Surely it is the purpose of the Discussion Board. I have also stated that posters shouldn't be making things up or pushing stories that the know to be false. I have went as far as calling the scumbags if the allegations are false. Do again I don't see what your difficulty is.

So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?

Who has actually said that?

Last time I looked, it's the court of law that has to sort out the issues raised by the claimant but no, we get it sorted by the court of Facebook.

Nobody has actually said that. You do get that?

What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board?  Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.

Not really.

Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?

The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.

Sponsorship and funding needs to go into domestic violence ... Nurturing your club and it's members also needs role models and lessons that no man \ woman has any right ever to lift their hand to someone ..

Genuinely think you are just being obtuse here.

Do you accept that Derry, if they received this warning, had a duty to act?

Can I get clarity on this .. Being a female poster and being called obtuse .. Am I ' annoyingly , insensitive, or slow to understand ' or am less than180 degrees "?

Slow to understand. Wilfully so I would guess.

Well if you don't think they are true, why post them, about time people dealt in facts only, not I heard from this mucker. All this rumour shit the way Trump edged himself to power in America by spreading enough misinformation.

I haven't posted them nor said they true.