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Gallagher was the best footballer in Ireland for a very short period but he still was the best.

What? He wasn't even the best gallagher

Never saw Rory in action but he must've been pretty good as he was top scorer in the Ulster Championship three years running.

brian robinson had to make way for the 6 errigal men mickey wanted on the panel. as for todays game its just the same muck. no amount of personel or positional changes are goin to make a difference. the whole setup is fundamentaly flawed.

He won an All-Ireland medal in 2003. I don't think anyone could complain too much about Tyrone's back six that year.

Peter Harte and Aidan Mc Rory have played the most times for Tyrone behind Cavanagh. Says it all really. To think what players have slipped through the net. Who remembers Brian Robinson of Donaghmore. A regular corner back for Tyrone in 2001, 2002 and was All star nominated in 02. As soon as Mickey arrived out the door he went.

Well Brian how's it going?

Very frustrating display.

Enough chances to win 5 or 6 but the decision making was terrible.

McShane is not county standard, McCurry was dreadful too.

Though Moran gave McCarron the runaround and Colm Cavanagh didn't seem to carry out his usual role effectively at all.

Thought McCarron marked Moran out of it. Least of Tyrone's problems.

The likes of Paisley and Mc Guinness probably regretted much of their earlier lives,when they reached the top of the greasy pole together.But this society is littered with "reformed" characters who either deny or minimalise their past.I know a guy who is a pastor in an evangelical church who was very strongly rumoured to be heavily involved in the sectarian slaughter of two young girls and a customer in a mobile shop 25 years ago,but refuses to go to the Police.

Paisley never murdered anyone. Pretty sure Martin did. Like it or not, that is a significant difference.

Ian Paisley: In quotes
12 September 2014
From the section Northern Ireland
"They breed like rabbits and multiply like vermin" - talking about Catholics at a loyalist rally in 1969.
"Catholic homes caught fire because they were loaded with petrol bombs; Catholic churches were attacked and burned because they were arsenals and priests handed out sub-machine guns to parishioners" - at a loyalist rally in 1968 following attacks on Catholic homes.
"Save Ulster from sodomy!" - his slogan in a 1970s and 80s campaign against legalising homosexuality.
"I am not going to sit down with bloodthirsty monsters who have been killing and terrifying my people" - opposing demands to sit down and talk with Sinn Féin.
"The scarlet woman of Rome" - his description of Pope John Paul.
"I don't like the president of the Irish Republic because she is dishonest" - his description of the then Irish president Mary McAleese.
"Mr Adams would have to repent from his evil ways. I am here tonight by the grace of God, a sinner saved by grace" - New York, 1994, when asked if he would shake Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams's hand.
"Talk about dancing at Christmas on the graves of Ulster dead, and to be given the facility so to dance by the British prime minister... Here we saw the godfathers of those who planned the bombing of Downing Street, standing outside there and piously pretending they were engaged in a search for peace" - reacting to the Downing Street meeting of Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams and then prime minister Tony Blair in December 1997.
"I denounce you, Anti-Christ! I refuse you as Christ's enemy and Antichrist with all your false doctrine" - addressing Pope John Paul II on a visit to the European Parliament October 1988.
"This Romish man of sin is now in hell! - on the death of Pope John XXIII.
"The IRA's bishop from Crossmaglen" - describing the then head of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Tomas Ó Fiaich.
"No surrender. We will never bend the knee" - a regular cry aimed at those he believed were ready to "betray" Northern Ireland.
"Protect us from the shackles of priest-craft" - late 1970s in an attack on the Roman Catholic church.

While Big Ian may not have murdered anyone, he definately made catholics legitamte targets by his preachings. Quotes supplied by the B.B.C.

Please let me know which of the above kept his hands clean.

The guy was a lunatic. Money mad as well. Saw this tweet earlier, might turn out to be interesting:

"ST [Sunday Times] News: Ian Paisley left estate worth €744,000 to his wife when he died in 2014. Probate has interesting detail on a couple of properties"

The likes of Paisley and Mc Guinness probably regretted much of their earlier lives,when they reached the top of the greasy pole together.But this society is littered with "reformed" characters who either deny or minimalise their past.I know a guy who is a pastor in an evangelical church who was very strongly rumoured to be heavily involved in the sectarian slaughter of two young girls and a customer in a mobile shop 25 years ago,but refuses to go to the Police.

This lad I presume

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/landmark-action-as-families-to-sue-loyalist-church-deacon-and-the-state-over-murder-of-their-loved-ones-31464335.html

A very good article by Ed Moloney that is apart from those of many writers this week and backed by his detail from years of research.

A long read but worth every word as it shows how the media need to simplify and compartmentalise has produced their conclusions to their analysis of the life of Martin McGuinness.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/ed-moloney-he-was-savagely-cruel-but-only-mcguinness-could-end-the-terror-1-7884440

Regardless of your recommendation I will not read Ed Moloney.
If you summarize it and it looks good I will but I'll need to be persuaded.

Can understand why republicans dislike Ed Moloney but he probably knows as much about the IRA as anyone outside the organisation.

On The View the other day Dennis Bradley was visibly angry at Gregory Campbell, who had reeled off a list of incidents like the 1990 proxy bombing at Coshquin. Bradley said "the IRA were cell-based" - letting McGuinness off the hook, effectively. Like Moloney, I highly doubt McGuinness didn't have a clue about major IRA operations like that considering he was head of Northern Command and a member of the Army Council for many, many years.

I understand what drive men of the 60's and 70's to join the IRA but I can't countenance some of their actions once they had joined it. Had they stuck to strictly military or strategic targets most of that would have been defensible but most of the time innocents were targeted. What did the deaths of Nicholas Knatchbull or Paul Maxwell have to do with republicanism or Irish independence? Posters regularly round on Fearon when he defends how the church abused and caused the deaths of hundreds of children but yet can find room to defend the IRA who were complicit in the deaths of many innocent women and children. Many here have recounted stories about the troubles but no amount of harassment at UDR checkpoints or guns being waved in your face is worth the lives of innocent children.

Leaving that aside, I had great time for Martin McGuinness. Too much has been made of his chuckle brother routine with Paisley and using Paisley as a counter-point. His nearest equivalent would have been David Ervine who was also also a paramilitary turned politician and also a man whom held my respect. To their credit both seen the futility of the bloodshed and had a humility in the post-troubles years that to me dictated a sense of remorse for the years of slaughter. That humility I find lacking in Adams, Robinson, Foster and to a certain extent Paisley who all appear/appeared to think that the peace process was their accomplishment as opposed to how they should feel; that the troubles was their fault.

It was a pretty desperate campaign really. I don't know how the people who killed Patsy Gillespie for example can sleep at night. My pal's dad was shot dead in front of him because he supplied the british army with construction materials. His lack of bitterness amazes me, I'd never get over it. This was in the early nineties and it just seems like a desperate waste of life.

I guess I'm republican - or staunchly nationalist anyway - but I find it very hard to justify and I'd be skeptical enough about Adams and McGuinness' intentions throughout it all. It's something I grapple with anyway.

Only for unionist intransigence, blatant discrimination and british arrogance the whole thing would have been avoided though.

Some amount of sad cases in this topic.

[Catholic population set to dwarf Protestants in years ahead]

Catholic population set to dwarf Protestants in years ahead

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/catholic-population-set-to-dwarf-protestants-in-years-ahead-1-7872318

Sensationalist headline, yes there's demographic change but it's not like two-thirds of the population is going to be catholic.

Someone should let John Payne know he just won an All-Ireland title.

which constituency is next in line to fall out of unionist hands ? The trend seems to be westward

South Down

south down? Think sinn fein should be targeting south down at next Westminster election. There is definitely the votes there for a strong candidate to unseat margaret ritchie.

Had a wee look at election results over the past while and it seems like unionists in South Down 'lend' the SDLP upwards of 5000 votes in Westminster elections. Knew that was a factor but surprised at the scale of it. Another huge turnout could see the Shinners taking the seat, though.

be interesting to see how long it takes the unionists to start shouting about splitting their vote to let nationalists/republicans in as main force now,will there be calls for unionist groups to reunite as 1 so they can keep the nationalists down and put them back in their place as this is what the majority of unionists still cling to,glad to see danny kennedy get the bullet in my area,i know he has done/helped nationalists in the past and would have got transfers from some but he shot himself in the foot the other day by displaying his bigotry and saying he would only be asking his supporters to transfer to other unionist candidates!!!!pity that other **** poots wasnt with him!!!   

Unionists are obsessed with this idea of a unified party. Can't see it happening any time soon though.

Obsessed with bloody pacts and transferring to other unionist parties as well. Horrifically negative approach to politics.

Had a look at Edwin Poots' facebook and most of them seem to be blaming Mike Nesbitt. It's not Mike Nesbitt's fault Sinn Fein found an extra 60k votes in less than a year.

32 seats for the DUP according to Jim Wells.

Wouldn't surprise me. The only thing that will significantly impact the DUP vote is demographic change. Give it a decade or two.

DUP could be in trouble in N Belfast, looks like their normal staunch working class areas have not come out

Indeed Mount Vernon

Mount Vernon ! Can see a lot of them votes being spoiled , education wouldn`t be a priority there  !

Apparently those figures are periodical and need to be totted up. Still not a massive tally though.