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Great. We get clancy in. Then what?

A miracle? Division 1within 3years with the most unpromising underage footballers in 30years?

You both have the answer. Well done. Brilliant. Forget all the important stuff. Just get clancy in and he'll turn water into wine with his couple years club management experience.

Never said Div 1, Div 2 would be realistic.  Are you on the County Board because honestly there is no defending whats gone on over the last 5 years without an agenda behind it.

Most of us knew much of what you "predicted" Ballyroan would happen. The difference being that most of us hoped it wouldn't. Grade A Gobshite

So since last September when I said Creedon was a disaster, you have not been calling me names, or otherwise insulting me?   Yourself, Don and Tony have continually insulted me while I have tried not to be personal.  The only thing that sickens you is that I have been right all along otherwise you would be crucifying me with how wrong I was.   We have the players Donie Kingston is enough to have us operating at a higher level who ever has appointed the last 3 managers really wants to opt out the next time.  I am sure yourself, Tony and Don will be crowing about some dipshit from anywhere if we appointed him where we need Laois Men to the Job.  Higgins, McNulty and Clancy are nearly 40 for christ sake Leo Vrad is running the country at 38.

It would not be the same without you two and a few others, it must sicken you that so far much of what I have said has come to pass.  These players are playing at below their level of ability the managers we have appointed for the last 5 years have destroyed the will of them.  I am pretty sure any manager with half a clue of what his doing will get huge gains because of the damage done thus far.   Tony is right to a point these players are capable of  better but they will not perform for an idiot,  funny enough Clancy has everything we need.  He will get the job after we are completely crushed and he will be a massive success.  The plain talking people of Ballyroan would not mind him back now, the same ones wanted shut of him last year.

I am firmly in the Clancy camp I do have an agenda but I would not mind McNulty or Higgins been given a shot.   I think Clancy has something about him and the sooner the better he gets the Laois job, that's a personal opinion and I am open to a discussion on that.  Hopefully they won't treat him with the contempt and disdain that at times was handed to Pat Roe, Joe Higgins and many more whose only sin that they were Laois Men.

Some of the fellas on here don't want to hear it, I said it last September this guy was a poor appointment in a list of poor appointments.   We should have sacked him after the league I don't know why this is not more common in the GAA your only postponing the inevitable.  The line we will be "better in the championship" is peddled by poor managers buying time.   Now is the time to go with a young Laois Manager it's so low risk it's unbelievable McNulty or Clancy are the ones immediately who come to mind.  McNulty been in pole position but they are Laois Men who can reignite the flames of passion within this squad.  For some on here they do not want to believe there has been a lack lustre effort by some members of this panel who are more interested in how they are perceived than the good of Laois Football, this needs rooting out.  We need a plan and a basic reboot of what we stand for because some of these players acting the mick is now in their DNA,  this does not make them bad fellas or poor players. They need to reconnect with the passion and honour of playing for Laois and maybe make something of themselves for the jersey they are wearing. We are not going to win All Irelands but I think we can operate safely in Div 2 and Dublin are not going to be at this standard forever.  We are in crisis and no better time for an over haul of our underage structure but we need to do it asap and stop talking about it.

With the advent of Kildare annihilating meath, I'm beginning to wonder if we're still pure dirt or if the Lillies have upped their game this championship and may even give dublin a decent game. Maybe we're not as bad as we think? Delusional? The next game will tell.

DELUSIONAL

Ballyroan, Mark was recovering from surgery, not injury. He's been training since March and playing for his club since April. If you think putting one of the most solid full backs in the country in after months of training and club / Laois challenge games is....desperation....I really have to question YOUR judgement my friend. It's a no-brainer, especially with Booth out. Mark has been back for months, just not match fit until recently. He played very well against Louth and Wexford. Not worth debating anymore. Correct decision by Mngment.

Hip Surgery for a an Hip problem is that not a injury,  I seen him playing on April 30th  against Stradbally  and he did not look anywhere near match fit or at his best

I was thinking the very same Monument, there is no way we could be as bad again as we were in Tullamore and I feel we would have the beating of Clare.

How so ?  Have we not been bad all year, is it not more likely it will be more of the same.  We would not beat Kildare or Clare in our current form.

Also how anyone can think Mark Timmons back into the Laois team is anything other than a move of complete desperation, is obviously off their head.  No disrespect to Mark who is a fine player but he is only on the comeback trail after what was a pretty desperate injury.  Also with forward thinking half backs as corner backs I don't think that makes his life any easier.  If we did not have Kingston I would fear for us against Wicklow.  But we do and I expect a win.

We should hammer Wicklow,  even Lillis beat Wicklow.

I think your wrong on that Clonad,  there would be an instant improvement.  I doubt they would get further than Div 2 but they would improve.  There is a lot wrong within our structures but Donie Kingston is prob in the top ten forwards in the country I would expect someone who knows what they are doing can build something around him.  But why should we accept being shit and stay there,  I would be more worried about that.  We are in a wonderful place if someone had the foresight to realize it,  simply put things can only get better.

[,no doubt it will be the Senior County Manager's fault then also.]

Whats going on at this grade will see chickens coming home to roost around 2026/27,no doubt it will be the Senior County Manager's fault then also.

There aren't too many, if any, on here saying that.

You seem to have missed the last 6 months on here then

Town 1980 and Ballyroan Abu will be on shortly

And you seem to have missed the point.

Both of them have criticised Creedon. So have I. Admittedly they have both at times leaned towards it being mostly his fault. But I don't think either have said it was Creedon and Creedon alone.

They main problem here on this issue for the past 6 months was that if anybody attempted to criticise Creedon, along came Tony telling us we were blind and that it wasn't Creedon's fault- it was everybody elses.

It was impossible to engage on the matter.
Just because it wasn't ALL Creedon's fault didn't mean we couldn't point out that he was and is doing a piss poor job. Yet any attempt to point this out was met by a chorus of "the fools, the fools, the fools, they don't know what they are speaking of".
Both Town1980 and BallyroanAbu were painted as such simply for pointing out the many disasters of this tenure.

We were told to reserve judgement until the league, then it was the latter stages of the league, then it was the championship. Presuming we won't improve 10 fold for the qualifiers, should we just wait until next years O' Byrne Cup? Just to be fair like.

Thank You for being fair, I don't really have an issue with anyone here we all want the same thing really.   I just think we need to grow up about how we do it.  Money is at the center of all this, we simply need more for GDA's, Facilities and Teams.  Laois may want to stay amateur but it's clear that alot of counties no longer are.  We are being left behind.  Get young managers, gda's stop wasting money on plugging holes.

No Tony, I am here.  Hopefully you get to tell me how wrong I was on Sunday.   My heart says Laois, my head says otherwise.    Safe to say believe it or not it's easier to point out whats wrong in the League as when it comes to championship even though I really think the Laois Manager is awful, (it's kildare) I hope they (being Laois)  shove it down my throat.

Why fool ourselves we have been doing it for awhile now.  If knocking around the early rounds of Leinster is where you want to be by all means keep going the way we are.  Personally I feel this county is capable of a lot more.   Always the same here getting a nothing result, everything is ok = do nothing for another year.  I am sick of limping along we have been doing it for years  this county had some aspirations.  Enjoy the trip to Ruislip sure it will be great crack for me that is some sickener.

Thats telling you wholeheartedly agree with original poster, we won't beat Longford by the way.

I kept my mouth shut in the lead up to this match.

No you didn't. You said we won't beat Longford

I meant in the last couple of days before hand,  either ways it doesn't matter.  I suppose it's a fill-up to those who think all is honky dory.  I do remember it was the same last year after the Dublin game.  Personally wasn't blown away today we got goals at the right time.  Don't think we will be beating Kildare, you all know my thoughts on the manager.   See you after Kildare match.

I kept my mouth shut in the lead up to this match.  I did toy with the idea of having a bet on Longford but decided against it once I seen the Laois team,  I am not so sure we are any better than we have been in the league.  Personally I think this result is a false one and we will find it extremely hard against Kildare.  Just cannot see us getting close.

The county board is now going to waste every penny in building top class facilities which they will have trouble funding.  They will allow the continual decline of all county teams and then  spin it to the public trying to say that centre of excellence is basically at the core of their thinking.  To be fair we do need to improve facilities but they should be a secondary part of the agenda of the county board.    Are strong county teams not the priority of any county?.   We are now looking at decreasing revenues while embarking on one of the biggest capital spends this county has ever conceived.  This is like the titanic departing Southampton.  I don't know if many agree with me on this but I foresee the Centre of Excellence being the altar on which our county teams are sacrificed.