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The Palestinians have been compromising for quite some time now whitey.
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But have they taken out of their  constitution that they no longer want to wipe Jews off the face of the earth?

I know that is Hamas but they are feeding support for the Israelis because of this repugnant rhetoric!

Hamas have said it whereas israel is actually doing it.

The Palestinians have been compromising for quite some time now whitey.

The formation of the Palestinian Unity Government is thought by some to be the reason behind the latest Israeli murder spree.

You know what.....you might be onto something. For the first time in a long time Hamas has lost its traditional supporters in the Muslim world. Israel possibly viewed this as an opportunity to inflict some serious body blows without having to worry about looking over their shoulder. The more I read about the Israelis the more I dislike the. ( I just dislike Hamas a whole lot more)

Whitey
In answer to your reply to Eamonnca1

You're correct of course but you forgot to make any comment about the understandable anger felt by societies who are so cruelly treated by oppressive dictators. Would you be a "terrorist" if you lived in Palestine?

Pro Israel supporters in general don't want to go down those paths

Would there be peace in Ireland if the IRA was still engaged in armed resistance?

No...the Republican movement realized that they just couldn't militarily defeat the British Army, so they agreed to a compromise that in prior years would have been unconscionable.

At some point, the Palestinians need to be able to find a way to reach some type of similar compromise.

The 2 problems I see is (1) The Israelis wont move and could care less about public opinion (2) Hamas are Muslim extremists and subscribe to a dogma thats incompatible with a democratic process.

Pressure is going to have come on both sides to reach an accomadation.

USA - built on a land-grab that displaced a native population - supports Israel
Northern Unionists - a state built on a land-grab that displaced a native population - supports Israel

The Afrikaners in Apartheid South Africa sided with Israel too.

Brothers in arms - Israel's secret pact with Pretoria

"This is just like the Afrikaners of apartheid South Africa, who also had the biblical notion that the land was their God-given right. Like the Zionists who claimed that Palestine in the 1940s was 'a land without people for a people without land', so the Afrikaner settlers spread the myth that there were no black people in South Africa when they first settled in the 17th century. They conquered by force of arms and terror and the provocation of a series of bloody colonial wars of conquest."

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By the 1980s, Israel and South Africa echoed each other in justifying the domination of other peoples. Both said that their own peoples faced annihilation from external forces - in South Africa by black African governments and communism; in Israel, by Arab states and Islam. But each eventually faced popular uprisings - Soweto in 1976, the Palestinian intifada in 1987 - that were internal, spontaneous and radically altered the nature of the conflicts.

It's a long article, but very eye-opening. From 2006 too.

One of the things I find very interesting about talking to pro-Israeli people or unionists or American right-wingers is that their timeline always begins after the initial conquest. They don't process the story of how these states came to be in the first place. They are mentally incapable of even thinking about the inconvenient truth of the historic ethnic cleansing that underpins the existence of these modern states. In the case of Palestine the evidence is staring us in the face in the form of the Palestinian refugees living in refugee camps in neighbouring countries and denied the right to return, but hardly anybody in America is even aware of their existence because the pro-Israel media will not talk about it.

Eamonnca1....I think you will find that pretty much every nation on earth was founded on some type of conflict.  I think if you go far enough back some tribe of Native Americans probably knocked seven bells out of some other tribe.

The situation in the Middle East is born out of the events of WWII much as WWII was born out of the events of WWI.  The conflict in the middle east was then fueled for decades by the subsequent Cold War where the Soviets backed the Arabs and the Americans backed the Israelis (even though they would probably have backed them anyway even if there wasn't a Cold War)

Sprinkle in various factions of Islam and you have a tinder box of epic proportions that will exist into perpetuity...just look at whats happening in Syria.....where Muslim on Muslim violence has killed 150,000 people in the last 18 months (might be 100,000 depending on who you believe).

I like your phrase "historic ethnic cleansing that underpins these states". Keep in mind that some of the worst cases of ethnic cleansing have had nothing to do with colonialism.

GHD - Did a female speaker at last nights rally state they wanted to tear Israel apart with their bare hands? Extremist language, if they did - which will go to great lengths to undo a lot of the great work you undertake.

Bernadette McAliskey spoke last night, and if I remember correctly, that was in relation to what she would do if she lived there and had to endure what the Palestinians have had to endure for decades.

FFS you have dissident republicans speaking at your event. Are you taking the pi$$?

To start with, I didn't organise anything, and secondly, I have nothing but respect for Bernadette. If you don't like that, then tough.

Immaterial whether you organized it or not......you're on here promoting it as a resounding success!!!!!

I have no axe to grind with Bernadette  personally,  but I'm curious, were there other dissidents present at the event?

Are you so blind as not to be able to see how this looks?

What the Israelis are saying about the Palestinians and Hamas NOT wanting peace is exactly what 99% of people in Ireland would say of the dissident movement who seem to have been given keynote status at the event.  SICKENING

Whitey, I couldn't care less what you think or have to say.

Me and 99% of the population......youve been found out. Be man enough to admit it

Bernadette McAlliskey was a founder member of the IRSP who have been around for decades, long before the term dissident republican was ever known. I find you SICKENING whitey, coming on here spouting your right wing american shite. tr**p.

Truth hurts.......LOL

GHD - Did a female speaker at last nights rally state they wanted to tear Israel apart with their bare hands? Extremist language, if they did - which will go to great lengths to undo a lot of the great work you undertake.

Bernadette McAliskey spoke last night, and if I remember correctly, that was in relation to what she would do if she lived there and had to endure what the Palestinians have had to endure for decades.

FFS you have dissident republicans speaking at your event. Are you taking the pi$$?

To start with, I didn't organise anything, and secondly, I have nothing but respect for Bernadette. If you don't like that, then tough.

Immaterial whether you organized it or not......you're on here promoting it as a resounding success!!!!!

I have no axe to grind with Bernadette  personally,  but I'm curious, were there other dissidents present at the event?

Are you so blind as not to be able to see how this looks?

What the Israelis are saying about the Palestinians and Hamas NOT wanting peace is exactly what 99% of people in Ireland would say of the dissident movement who seem to have been given keynote status at the event.  SICKENING

Whitey, I couldn't care less what you think or have to say.

Me and 99% of the population......youve been found out. Be man enough to admit it

GHD - Did a female speaker at last nights rally state they wanted to tear Israel apart with their bare hands? Extremist language, if they did - which will go to great lengths to undo a lot of the great work you undertake.

Bernadette McAliskey spoke last night, and if I remember correctly, that was in relation to what she would do if she lived there and had to endure what the Palestinians have had to endure for decades.

FFS you have dissident republicans speaking at your event. Are you taking the pi$$?

To start with, I didn't organise anything, and secondly, I have nothing but respect for Bernadette. If you don't like that, then tough.

Immaterial whether you organized it or not......you're on here promoting it as a resounding success!!!!!

I have no axe to grind with Bernadette  personally,  but I'm curious, were there other dissidents present at the event?

Are you so blind as not to be able to see how this looks?

What the Israelis are saying about the Palestinians and Hamas NOT wanting peace is exactly what 99% of people in Ireland would say of the dissident movement who seem to have been given keynote status at the event.  SICKENING

GHD - Did a female speaker at last nights rally state they wanted to tear Israel apart with their bare hands? Extremist language, if they did - which will go to great lengths to undo a lot of the great work you undertake.

Bernadette McAliskey spoke last night, and if I remember correctly, that was in relation to what she would do if she lived there and had to endure what the Palestinians have had to endure for decades.

FFS you have dissident republicans speaking at your event. Are you taking the pi$$?

What seems to be coming out is that they were adhering to the Ceasefire (the terms of which I am uncertain of) but decommissioning a tunnel then a fuckload of Palestinians appeared through it and it all kicked off culminating in the Palestinians capturing a soldier!!

Bottom line is Hamas are giving Israel a rod to beat them with and in turn Israel are whacking them with a f**king bulldozer!!

Bottom line is Hamas and other resistance groups are defending their people and Israel are whacking them with bulldozers sponsored and supported by Invest NI and ALL parties to the NI Executive. Eternal shame on them as they cry crocidile tears at protests around the country. They make my blood boil.

This latest round of Genocide has fcuk all to do with rockets, tunnells, Hamas, or anything else. Israel have been slaughtering thousands of Palestinians since 1948. They want the land, and they use every excuse under the sun to carry out this ethnic cleansing and Genocide.

Question for you GHD-based on this comment, do you think Israel has a right to exist

Right now Whitey and they way they are behaving, No.

GHD...seeing Al Quada flags pop up at some of the demonstrations is heartbreaking (specifically London last week).....this is not what Gaza is about.....and it will derail your message very quickly

What seems to be coming out is that they were adhering to the Ceasefire (the terms of which I am uncertain of) but decommissioning a tunnel then a fuckload of Palestinians appeared through it and it all kicked off culminating in the Palestinians capturing a soldier!!

Bottom line is Hamas are giving Israel a rod to beat them with and in turn Israel are whacking them with a f**king bulldozer!!

Bottom line is Hamas and other resistance groups are defending their people and Israel are whacking them with bulldozers sponsored and supported by Invest NI and ALL parties to the NI Executive. Eternal shame on them as they cry crocidile tears at protests around the country. They make my blood boil.

This latest round of Genocide has fcuk all to do with rockets, tunnells, Hamas, or anything else. Israel have been slaughtering thousands of Palestinians since 1948. They want the land, and they use every excuse under the sun to carry out this ethnic cleansing and Genocide.

Question for you GHD-based on this comment, do you think Israel has a right to exist

A high ranking Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) officer was captured before the ceasefire and now the IOF have gone on a mass killing spree. Over 70 dead and hundreds injured. Israel have gone mad, but then again, they have always been mad.

Was he not captured after the ceasefire began?
I thought the IDFl were continuing to search and destroy tunnels (in violation of the ceasefire) and had only stopped bombing (their interpretation of a ceasefire).

Who knows.....the Israelis will say one thing and Hamas another

What the fvck did those stupid Hamas cvnts think was going to happen if they kidnapped a soldier around the time of the truce. (Exact timing and circumstances unknown)


The Israelis don't give a flying fvck....they don't care if they kill their own guy trying to get him back

I absolutely despair at this thing coming to any kind of a conclusion

The slant that the Israelis are putting on the tunnels is that they were shocked at the extent of them and that Hamas were planning mass murder in Israel using the tunnels

Whether that's $hite or not is TBD, but that's the line that is getting g them the full backing of the Israeli peoe

if any of you have the time....read this book....or at minimum read the reviews....definitely gave me some food for thought

http://www.amazon.com/Goliath-Life-Loathing-Greater-Israel/dp/1568586345


As i said earlier in this thread i know some Israelis, and even some people who served in the IDF. Do i believe EVERYTHING they tell me about the conflict-absolutely not!!!!

On the other hand, I get the feeling that some posters on here take every word that comes from the Palestinian side as gospel.

Theres two sides to this and the truth is somewhere in between.....at this point probably closer to the Palestinian version of events imho

not in any way shape or form condoning what Israel is doing, but Hamas are not the saints they are being portrayed as here. This is a very dangerous stream of Islam

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/07/30/Hamas-CoFounders-Son-Israel-Fighting-on-Behalf-of-the-Free-World

Anyone with a place to stay in Westport for this weekend?
Going with a few lads and need somewhere to stay on the Sat night

Stay in Castlebar and take Morans Coach over to Westport.  They shuttle back and forth all night. It should take no more than 15-20 mins door to door.

http://michael-moran.coach-hire.transport.castlebar-mayo.tel

Publicans in Castlebar are thrilled-NOT

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77756597