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On today's showing the only teams cavan wwould beat are leitrim or maybe clare/offaly. Would be a great draw for anyone else, especially with mcvitty suspended

as a Down man i'm gutted we lost. thought we deserved at least a draw and extra time. everything seemed to go against us from black cards to red cards to injuries to key players and to the keepers mistake for the goal. any cavan fan that was there would know yous would need to improve big time to go much further. thought yous would have beat us handy but there wasn't much between the teams and on another night......

Wouldn't disagree. Mattie is a lucky manager. But God we were set up so stupidly today it was almost funny

Hard luck lads. Ye def were unlucky today but also you were playing against a cavan team coached by a complete clown. What we were trying to do in that game tactically I have no idea. The goal was the killer for ye but I also thought in last 5 ye had good shouts for frees turned away. Why didn't yer man fist over a point instead of going for goal. It would've been extra time and back to 15 a side and ye would've won I'm sure. Cavan going nowhere this year.

Stop being so negative after a win.

Lad the win was a pure fluke. If I was from down I'd be sick. 2 black cards in a minute. Harrison was furious for his so I can guess it wasn't deserved and McKiernan got one for complaining to linesman. Johnston red was for a bit of handbags with moynagh. Then for me Down had a few stone wall frees in last few mins waved away that would have drawn the match. We were saved by a fluke goal.

Our "tactics"  from Mattie the bluffer was to play 14 behind the ball. But no one knew what they were at. All day we got 4 turnovers the whole match-pathetic stuff. Our counters were pedestrian and we had only 1 forward. It was like watching a poor junior team implement blanket defence for the 1st time. We are going no where and today was a stay of execution.

On way home. Have to say our line has no clue and only for cormac Reilly we'd be out. Manager is a bluffer.

Midfield is weak, just not enough experience. Dropping Caoimhin presumably because of the system being employed, a huge mistake IMO. The most impressive forward prospect we've had in years, playing well, taken off inexplicably against Donegal, isolated and frustrated against Wicklow and now dropped. This is how we lose players.

Agreed

At 3-1 Down are a great bet for this game. A lot of people saying Clarke has been poor this year. I believe that is totally wrong as he's been pretty much on his own in midfield. I think we could really struggle if down push up in our kick out, especially if galligan isn't in goals.

HQ need to stand their ground on this one. A very small but very loud minority support this politicising of the games. It remains incredibly distasteful to me that these people use the Palestinian cause as a prop to further their own selfish ends.

If anyone wants to pretend that all but a few of these people have any real interest in their plights and it isn't yet another attempt to try to wind up unionists in the north, cop on. Creating divisions rather than trying to bridge them, even in sport.

Just shut up. Please. Shut up and take time to read and understand the sentiments of the people not only in Ulster, but across Ireland  right now.

Choices:

a) allow every politically attuned member of our Association to use the GAA as a vehicle for promoting their politics, and therefore inevitably over time generate negative publicity and infighting.

Or

b) remain politically neutral and concentrate on football and hurling.

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Those who would choose to follow a) are narrow minded, myopic fools.

Could not agree more. As soon as you declare your political allegiance you immediately alienate half the people in the country, and the GAA should be open to everybody.

I'm a supporter of Palestinian rights, but I'd hate to see the GAA being dragged into this.

What if everyone wore a tee shirt with a Palestinian flag on it. It's naive to think you can separate global issues like this from sport. It's like saying the boycott of apartheid South Africa should have been kept out of sport.

You haven't said what the problem is.

In the 90s cavan were one of the best supported counties in Ireland despite being starved of success for 20 years. We are now back in div1 yet couldn't even muster 1000 supporters on donegal. I'm not sure why but people ain't Interested.

Has Donald Trump seen the women from Iran. Looking atvthe world cup here and some beautiful women in the crowd. I'm sure he'd make peace with Iran in a flash if he was watching.

Can't be arsed engaging anymore, you are both entitled to your opinion, pretty obvious we disagree and I am not going get anywhere, I didn't join the board to talk rugby but I will defend the sport, in fact I would pretty much defend all sports. Anyway that's fine, not going fall out over it, just moving on, is that ok?

100%!

Sound. Up Tipp!

You've finally lost me, Tipp?

Can't be arsed engaging anymore, you are both entitled to your opinion, pretty obvious we disagree and I am not going get anywhere, I didn't join the board to talk rugby but I will defend the sport, in fact I would pretty much defend all sports. Anyway that's fine, not going fall out over it, just moving on, is that ok?

100%!

I wonder does any sport have as much self loathing as the GAA, when see guys who bother to comment thousands of times on GAA mattesr run off in a huff because some one criticized rugby , I just wonder

Who ran off? I engaged made my point, it's now a circular argument, I'm not here to preach about rugby. When you see idiots bring in religion and sexual preference then there really is no point engaging any further.

You are the idiot that brought priests into it. Regarding sexual preference, you are referring to a joke I made about the Scrum being like a scene out of a gay porn movie, thats weak. Surely you can slag me off with something better than that??

Anyway, I complimented rugby on a few things just because I wont agree it is a highly skilled game Dinny threw his toys away. Sure any gobshite can see it is low down in the skill level steaks

[is never be dismissive of other sports other ideas especially in front of children. Kids are generally repelled by that kind of negativity, if they are playing others sports it's because they enjoy them, they don't need their choices questioned]

I will indulge

Top of my head passing skills

left, right, pop, spin, cat-flap, flat, short, long, disguised, "off the ground pop", "off the ground pass" "during the tackle",  "at full pace", under, over, switch, screen, wrap "off load one hand" "off load two hands", "rip and pop"

I'm sure I could add more if was engaged but I'm not so final thing now add a defined tackle where you have a heap of decisions to process and try do those skills listed above under that kind of pressure. No doubt you think the best athletes in the world (NBA) are just throw, catch and pass merchants too. There's a reason why GAA coaches rob ideas from Rugby and Basketball. My last piece of advice, unwanted no doubt, is never be dismissive of other sports other ideas especially in front of children. Kids are generally repelled by that kind of negativity, if they are playing others sports it's because they enjoy them, they don't need their choices questioned.

Really all those are different ball skills?? Throw, throw and throw.

As for your last line of condescending advice it is unwanted as I never do that. I explained why kids were leaving my club in my original post which you ignored. I also said that i understood why rugby etc were successful in recruiting kids and how the GAA need to learn from it and you ignored that too. You prefer to think my club is full of ignorant dinosaurs that drive kids away. I still stand by my points that Rugby is a competitor. You respect them, learn from them but don't be a fool and consider them anything but a competitor.

Oh yes the Big Bad Rugby Club are winning and the lads are having, god forbid. fun. You sound like a priest from the 50s where sport is not about fun but losing, that's your life lesson now suck it up. I say you're some craic as a coach.

You see rugby as unskilled game and one you certainly don't respect, you already posted some other derogatory homophobic comments on the game, why would anyone see your club as full of dinosaurs? Now I am finally out of this conversation, give me a shout when you move into the Paleocene era.

Not sure what a priest from the 50s was like (I assume they were all the same). Yes, I am good craic as a coach, no doubt about it.

I do see rugby as a largely unskilled game yes. That wasn't the point of my post but I wont disagree with you there. Very few balls skills in comparison to Football, Hurling, Basketball etc. That makes it a lot easier for kids to pick up.

Its a game also full of dangerous head injuries and a game full of drug abuse. Its a game of muscle over brain. However it is good at some things and as an organisation the GAA should learn from what they are good at. Like self promotion for example, they are very good at getting people to watch their games who have no background in the game. Convicning people that some "test" match against Australia is important for example. Also good at no tolerance of abusing referrees.

Anyway, long may Kildare collaborate with rugby teams and produce teams that do very poorly for their sizable population of 220k.

[is never be dismissive of other sports other ideas especially in front of children. Kids are generally repelled by that kind of negativity, if they are playing others sports it's because they enjoy them, they don't need their choices questioned]

I will indulge

Top of my head passing skills

left, right, pop, spin, cat-flap, flat, short, long, disguised, "off the ground pop", "off the ground pass" "during the tackle",  "at full pace", under, over, switch, screen, wrap "off load one hand" "off load two hands", "rip and pop"

I'm sure I could add more if was engaged but I'm not so final thing now add a defined tackle where you have a heap of decisions to process and try do those skills listed above under that kind of pressure. No doubt you think the best athletes in the world (NBA) are just throw, catch and pass merchants too. There's a reason why GAA coaches rob ideas from Rugby and Basketball. My last piece of advice, unwanted no doubt, is never be dismissive of other sports other ideas especially in front of children. Kids are generally repelled by that kind of negativity, if they are playing others sports it's because they enjoy them, they don't need their choices questioned.

Really all those are different ball skills?? Throw, throw and throw.

As for your last line of condescending advice it is unwanted as I never do that. I explained why kids were leaving my club in my original post which you ignored. I also said that i understood why rugby etc were successful in recruiting kids and how the GAA need to learn from it and you ignored that too. You prefer to think my club is full of ignorant dinosaurs that drive kids away. I still stand by my points that Rugby is a competitor. You respect them, learn from them but don't be a fool and consider them anything but a competitor.

Biased or deluded if you think the only skills in underage rugby is catch and pass. You have your opinion that's fine, but in this short exchange I have a fair idea why your club is losing players to rugby.

I never said catch. I also said ball skills. But sure enlighten me to the array of complex rugby ball skills. Maybe if kildare stopped cozying up to rugby you might produce something other than big athletes with no football in them.

In rugby you need to be able to throw the ball and catch it

You literally said catch it.

Anyway on that pedantic point. I'm out.

You are right so I made a mistake and shouldnt have said catch as it is the same in GAA so no differences. So that leaves the ball skill of throwing. I await a list of the other ball skills of rugby I have missed due to my ignorance.