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#466
GAA Discussion / Gym Monkeys
November 27, 2006, 05:13:23 PM
I was wondering whether many of you agreed with the article below, and particularly how the message resonates within our own game. I fundamentally believe that we have far too much emphasis on strength/size v skills....

Austin Healey & Gym Monkeys

Austin Healey believes English rugby's downward spiral is partly down to its obsession with physical strength at the expense of basic skills.

Healey says young players are becoming "gym monkeys" who are more worried by bench-press figures than rugby skills.

"The strongest athletes are gymnasts who never go in a gym in their lives," the former England star told BBC Sport.

"It should all be own bodyweight stuff. A lot of our players are too big for their own frames."

Healey believes the gym culture is just one of many problems with the game.

"We need to look at the game differently. Our whole ethos is that rugby's a big-man's sport and that arrogant attitude isn't getting us anywhere," he said.

The Leicester great wants to see an end to the RFU's academy system in order to encourage more free-thinking players.

"We don't need academies - players find their natural level," said Healey.

"You start off at your local club, they realise you're too good for them and recommend you up the chain to someone slightly better, and so on - that's what all of the players of my generation did.

A lot of forwards come to the end of their career, and think 'what am I going to do now?' and so they go into coaching

Former England star Austin Healey

"Keeping young guys with their peers training in the gym turns them into 'gym monkeys'.

"It doesn't allow them to progress and see what they can learn from other people. It really is killing our sport."

Healey, who has demanded the resignation of under-fire England head coach Andy Robinson, thinks the standard of coaching is a major factor in England's demise.

"Robinson is a good tracksuit coach promoted above his abilities and he's the sort of guy who unfortunately is taking up all the coaching roles in this country.," he said.

"A lot of forwards come to the end of their career, and think 'oh my God, what am I going to do now?' and so they go into coaching.

"Those guys know a lot about the game as it is now, but they don't have any idea of what the game's going to be like in the future. They don't have any invention.

"People like Sir Clive Woodward and Brian Ashton - backs basically - are better coaches and more inventive.

"We need to really look at the way we're training - there needs to be a lot more ball-in-hand stuff."

#467
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
November 27, 2006, 02:29:32 PM
who is ricky kerr no1? i cant remember him standing out in games v ballyholland, but correct me if i am wrong...
#468
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
November 27, 2006, 11:34:28 AM
charlie of course other inter coutny defenders will give him that treatment, but your earlier comment smacked off a spiteful though process, ie if he is cocky, kick the shit outta him, and for me thats just wrong. if you are saying give it to him, in prep for whats coming ahead, then thats a diff matter.

torgael, re:
Quoteall forwards of his diminutive stature
, have you ever stood beside danny hughes? he is 5 10, if not 5 11 at least! and with the lad working out as much as he does, there are few stronger forwards with his pace in down football. I really dont think you can call him diminutive!
#469
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
November 27, 2006, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on November 24, 2006, 03:23:58 PM
agree totally with bt.apparantly ahughes is a cocky **** so a bit roughin up wont do him any harm

charlie, thats a real top class statement. danny is one of the best club forwards in down, and will  definitely play starting 15 in the 07 championship. He plays with a swagger, a confidence that was a hallmark of great down forwards from yesteryear. And your neanderthal comment is "yeah, knock the fck outta him"?? what benefit is there in roughing him up? to get used to it? or just to take him down a peg or two...if its the latter, thats the spiteful hateful side to down gaa.....
#470
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
November 24, 2006, 12:37:34 PM
anyone near newcastle for the senior trials last night? they are on again on sat, some1 go along and fill us in....

last night had b grant, j clarke, p murphy, d hughes, r murtagh all "trialling", along with a number of new boys. i believe john quinn and pj mcalinden were there. 2 full scale rows on the night, some fella broke his hand on joe doran and d hughes and e henry set to as well.....

loads of fellas no one knew there, and did well. also, b rodgers (mbridge) did v well i hear
#471
hard to beat a bit of the oul 80s soft rock lads! definitely gets me going!

#472
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
November 23, 2006, 12:16:23 PM
triallists have a game tonight, i think its an in house affair
#473
GAA Discussion / Re: Most naturally talented
November 22, 2006, 12:37:09 PM
BC-Clumsily aggressive

are you gonna take that BC? an insult in my book!
#474
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
November 22, 2006, 12:34:10 PM
neutral would to have to fancy liatroim to stay up....

is there any merit in a 16 team div1? current teams plus top 4 of div2?

or should we go to an 8 team div1, bottom 4 of 1 and top four of 2 to make div2, rest of 2 to make div 3, and so on.....

I think it would make for a much better, tighter league structure, better games, less number of complete blowouts, and would improve everyone's lot....
#475
GAA Discussion / Re: Most naturally talented
November 22, 2006, 11:24:27 AM
downey wasnt as dirty as you bc!! he hadnt those elbows sharpened quite like you had!! ;D
#476
much appreciated lads, really surpassed expectations on this. tho i am particularly interested in the down teams for each of those games from 90 onwards. I have picked up the 2000 on but 90-2000 still struggling
#477
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
November 21, 2006, 01:33:52 PM
wobs i am gonna rule out the following as i dont see them getting close to it at all...

Declan Alder (Carryduff)
Paul Magee (Rostrevor)
Andrew Kane (Bryansford)
Domhnall Murphy (Saval)
John Turley (Loughinisland)
Paul Shields (Clonduff)
Liam McVeigh (An Riocht)
Adrian Carvill (Bryansford)
Martin McClean (Kilcoo)

Joe Ireland (Bryansford)
John Boyle (Warrenpoint)
James McGovern (Burren)
Brendan Loughran (Shamrocks)
Aidan Burns (Castlewellan)
John Fegan (Clonduff)

how about this for a non div 1 team with players that havent been playing county football? ps. havent seen banbridge or darragh cross play at all really, just know about paddy feeney

k murphy (ballyholland)

e henry (wpoint)
darragh mc meel (wpoint)
Domnhall Murphy (saval)

darren cunningham (saval)
kevin quinn (attical)
Liam McVeigh (kingdom)

Shea Curran (wpoint)
Jackie Lynch (drumgath)

peter telford (dpatrick)
stephen kearney (mitchels)
Peter Turley (saval)

p downey (drumgath)
ryan rooney (b martin)
miceal sloan (attical)

Subs:
Damien Campbell (bholland)
Paddy McAnulty (bholland)
Darren O'Hanlon (bmartin)
Cathal McDowell (bmartin)
Colm Murtagh (glenn)
Paul McComiskey (dundrum)
Dan McCabe (drumgath)
Drumgath - Mark Connolly
Clann na Banna - Paddy Feeney
Tullylish - John McAreavey
Teconnaught - Sammy Madine
Bright - Mark Stitt



#478
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
November 21, 2006, 12:29:06 PM
5 times i disagree on your points re: b mc veigh. in fact we played them 3 times this season, and he saved 4-6 shots in those games that should have been goals but for superb point blank range shot stopping. I think he is as good as there is around.

i think the mgt team know they need a number 3, 6, 8, 9, and 10,11,12

if we sort those positions out we are well on our way, but truthfully i have said going back to the old board, that last year's squad with 4 or 5 others to come in replace the deadwood is about right. the trick that ross/dj have to perform is preparing them mentally, preparing them tactically (f**k thats all they should talk about for 3 mths!), and putting the players we have in the right positions.

i do agree to an extent, that 5 times has the spine more or less right. I would go with grant at 3, doyle at 6, gordon and AN Other at 8 & 9 (preferably a holding midfielder type) coulter at 11, and AN Other at 14. We have a number of excellent forwards - lets see if one of them can rise to the challenge of playing 14
#479
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
November 20, 2006, 05:21:53 PM
no! the coldest wettest day was the defeat in healy park to tyrone a cpl of years back!

also i hear shieldsy was v good in the trials at the weekend.
#480
Down / Down Footballers 2000-06
November 20, 2006, 05:10:04 PM
May 2000
Sunday May 28th
Bank of Ireland Senior Football Championship
Ulster
At Casement Park
Antrim 0-13
Down 1-7
Antrim - S McGreevy, E McLernon, M Mulholland, A Finnegan, G Adams, A Morris, J Kelly, J Quinn 0-1, S McQuillan 0-7, C Colman 0-1, R Hamill, P McCann 0-1, K Brady, J McManus, K Doyle 0-3. Subs: P Logan for Hamill, E McKee for McManus, T Convery for Colman
Down - M McVeigh, F Caulfield, C Byrne, P Shields, M McMurray, P Higgins, S Poland, G McCartan 1-1, A Molloy, S Mulholland 0-1, M Walsh, L Doyle 0-1, M Linden 0-1, C McCabe 0-1, S Ward 0-1. Subs: J McCartan 0-1 for Ward, B Coulter for Shields, P Matthews for Caulfield, M Magill for Higgins
Ref - S McCormack (Meath)
May 2001

Bank of Ireland Ulster Senior Football Championship
At Casement Park
Cavan 1-14
Down 2-10
Cavan - A Donohoe, M Brides, T Prior, G Sheridan, E Jackson 0-1, A Forde, J Doonan, D McCabe 0-2, D McCrudden 0-1, P Reilly 0-4, P Galligan 0-2, F O'Reilly 0-1, M Graham 0-2, J Reilly 1-0, L Reilly 0-1. Subs: J Tierney for O'Reilly, R Donohoe for Sheridan, R Rogers for Graham, B Morris for Rogers
Down - M McVeigh, J Clarke, C Byrne, B Grant, B Kearney, M Magill, S Poland, B Burns, P Conville, L Doyle 0-2, M Walsh 1-4, A O'Prey, R Murtagh, B Coulter, S Ward 0-2. Subs: M Linden 1-1 for McConville, S Mulholland 0-1 for Linden.
Referee - S McCormack (Meath)

June01

At Casement Park
Armagh 1-13
Down 2-4
Armagh - P Hearty, E McNulty, G Reid, J McNulty, A O'Rourke, K McGeeney 0-2, A McCann, T McEntee, P McGrane 0-1, J McEntee 0-3, B O'Hagan 0-1, J Toal, S McDonnell 1-2, M O'Rourke, O McConville 0-4. Sub: P McKeever for B O'Hagan
Down - M McVeigh, J Clarke, C Byrne, B Grant, B Kearney, L Doyle, S Poland, S Ward, P McConville, S Mulholland 0-1, M Walsh 0-2, A O'Prey, R Murtagh, B Coulter 1-0, S Ward 0-1. Subs: M Magill for McConville, M Linden 1-0 for Murtagh, C Daly for O'Prey, B Burns for Poland.
Referee - P McEneaney (Monaghan)

June 02

At Pearse Park
Longford 1-16
Down 0-14
Longford G Tonra, S Carroll, F Coyle, D Ledwith, C Keogh, E Ledwith, C Confrey, L Keenan and P Barden (0-5), R Clyne, T Smullen (0-1), P Ross (0-1), A O'Connor (0-2), P Davis (Capt 0-6) D Barden (1-1). Subs: M Mulleady for Conefery, D Smith for Clyne, M Kenny for Keenan, D Brady for Ross.
Down M McVeigh, J Clarke, C Byrne (Capt), B Grant, A Malloy, B Burns, L Doyle (0-4, 3 frees), B Coulter (0-3) and S Ward, S King (0-2, all frees), M Walsh (0-2 1 free) R Murtagh (0-1), M Linden, A Oprey, J McCartan (0-1). Subs: R Sexton for A Opre, D Gordan for M Linden, P McConville (0-1) for R Murtagh
Referee: Pauric Mangan Kerry

Sunday 22nd June 03

Ulster Senior Football Championship
Down 2-10
Fermanagh 0-11
Down - M McVeigh, J Clarke, B Burns, B Grant, J Lavery, A Molloy, M Cole, S Ward, G McCartan 1-4, L Doyle 0-3, B Coulter 0-1, C McCrickard 0-1, M Walsh, D Gordon, R Murtagh 0-1. Subs - S King for McCrickard, J McCartan 1-0 for Grant, R Sexton for Murtagh, M Linden for Walsh, PP McCartan for Molloy.
Fermanagh - Ronan Gallagher, M Lilly, B Owens, R McCluskey, S McDermott, K Gallagher, N Cox, P Brewster, M McGrath, T Brewster, Raymie Gallagher 0-4, R Keenan 0-2, R McCabe 0-3, S Maguire 0-1, C Bradley 0-1. Subs - H Brady for Lilly, S Doherty for T Brewster, R Johnson for Bradley.
Referee - M Monaghan (Kildare).

July 03
At Clones
Donegal 3-15
Down 2-10
Donegal - T. Blake, N. McCready, R. Sweeney, M. Crossan, S. Carr, B. Monaghan, K. Cassidy, J. Gildea (0-1), S. McDermott (1-1), C. Toye (1-1), M. Hegarty (1-1), J. McGuinness, B. Roper (0-1), A. Sweeney (0-6), B. Devenney (0-4). Sub - J Harran, P McGonigle.
Down - M McVeigh, M Cole, B Burns, J Clarke (0-1), J Laverty, A O'Prey, A Molloy, B Grant (0-2), Sean Ward, L Doyle (0-2), M Walsh (0-1), B Coulter (0-1), R Sexton (1-1), Shane Ward (1-0), R Murtagh (0-1). Subs- D Hughes (0-1), A Scullion, J McCartan, S Mulholland

Referee - Gerry Kinneavy (Roscommon)

04

Ulster SFC
At Casement Park
Cavan 1-13
Down 1-13
Cavan – E Elliott; E Reilly, D Rabbitte, P Brady; A Forde, T Crowe, A Gaynor; P McKenna, C Collins; L Reilly 0-1, M Lyng 0-6, M McKeever; G Pierson 0-3, J Reilly 1-2, S Johnston 0-1. Subs - K Crotty for Collins, P Reilly for Johnston.
Down –M McVeigh; M Higgins, A Molloy, A Scullion; J Clarke 0-1, M Cole, S Farrell; B Coulter 1-2, G McCartan; L Doyle 0-4, S Ward, R Sexton 0-1; E McCartan, D Gordon, D Hughes 0-4. Subs - J Lavery for Farrell, C McCrickard for G McCartan, B Grant for Sexton, A O'Prey 0-1 for E McCartan.
Referee - D Goldrick (Meath).

Ulster SFC Replay
At Kingspan Breffni Park
Cavan 3-13
Down 2-12
Cavan - E Elliott, E Reilly, D Rabbit, P Brady, K Crotty, A Gaynor, A Forde, P McKenna 0-1, T Crowe 0-1, L Reilly, M Lyng 0-5, M McKeever 0-3, G Pearson, J O'Reilly 1-3, S Johnston. Subs: C Collins for E Reilly, D McCabe 1-0 for Pearson, P Reilly 1-0 for Johnson, R Donohoe for Brady, S Brady for McKeever
Down - M McVeigh, B Grant, A Molloy, A Scullion, J Clarke, S Farrell, M Cole, G McCartan 0-3, D Gordon 0-1, E McCartan, S Ward, R Sexton, B Coulter 2-2, A O'Prey 0-3, D Hughes 0-2. Subs: R Murtagh 0-1 for Ward, A Rogers for Sexton, J Lavery for E McCartan
Referee - S McCormack (Meath)

May 05

Ulster Senior Football Championship
At Omagh
Tyrone 1-13
Down 1-6
Tyrone: P. McConnell, R. McMenamin, C. Lawn, S. Sweeney, C. Gormley, G. Devlin, P. Jordan 0-1, C. Holmes, S. Cavanagh 0-2, P. Donnelly, M. Penrose 1-1, R. Mellon 0-1, O. Mulligan 0-3, S. O'Neill 0-2, E. McGinley 0-1. Subs: P. Canavan 0-2 for Mellon, J. McMahon for Donnelly, L. Meenan for Penrose.
Down: B. McVeigh, M. Cole, A. Scullion, G. Barry, B. Grant, A. O'Prey, D. Rafferty, A. Molloy, D. Gordon, L. Doyle 0-2, A. Rogers 0-3, J. Clarke, C. Laverty, B. Coulter 1-1, R. Murtagh. Subs: R. Sexton for Clarke, S. Ward for Laverty, A. Rice for Barry, D. Hughes for Murtagh, J. Doran for Molloy.

Jun 06

Sunday 7th May
Ulster SFC Prelim Round
At Casement Park
Down 1-13
Cavan 0-11
DOWN - B McVeigh ; M Cole , B Grant , D McCartan ; P Murphy , J Clarke , D Rafferty ; A Molloy , D Gordan 0-1 ; E McCartan 0-1 , A Rogers 0-1 , D Hughes 0-3 ; L Doyle , B Coulter 1-0 , M Walsh 0-5 . Subs: M Doran for Rafferty (47), R Murtagh 0-2 for E McCartan , C Laverty for Rogers , A Scullion for Molloy .
CAVAN - J Reilly ; P Reilly , M Hannon , K Fannin ; M Cahill , A Gaynor , P Brady 0-1 ; D McCabe 0-1 , C Collins ; M McKeever , P Reilly S Brady ; G Pierson 0-1 , L Reilly 0-2 , S Johnston 0-6 . Subs: J O'Reilly for Pierson, C Mackey for P Reilly , J Jordan for McKeever, E O'Reilly for L Reilly.
REF - Eugene Murtagh (Longford).

Bank of Ireland Ulster SFC quarter-final
Donegal 1-12
Down 1-11
Donegal - P Durcan, K Lacey, P Campbell, N McGee, E McGee 0-1, B Monaghan, B Dunnion 0-1, N Gallagher, C Bonner, C Toye 0-1, M Hegarty 0-2 , R Kavanagh 1-2, C Kelly, C Dunne 0-2, M Doherty 0-2. Subs: B Boyle for Kelly, A Sweeney 0-1 for Doherty, D Diver for N McGee, F McGlynn for E McGee
Down - B McVeigh, M Cole, B Grant, A Molloy, P Murphy 0-1, J Clarke, A Scullion, A Rogers, D Gordon 0-1, E McCartan, L Doyle 0-3, R Murtagh 0-1, D Hughes 1-3, B Coulter 0-1, M Walsh 0-1. Subs: M Doran for Murphy, C Laverty for McCartan, D Rafferty for Clarke, R Sexton for Murtagh, J Colgan for Doyle
Referee - G O'Conamha (Galway)

At Markievicz Park
Sligo 1-7
Down 0-4
SLIGO - P Greene; C Harrison, N McGuire, R Donovan 0-1; B Kivlehan, P McGovern, K O'Neill; E O'Hara, B Egan; T Taylor, M Breheny 0-3, P Doohan; K Sweeney, S Davey 1-1, A Marren. Subs: P Taylor 0-1 for Sweeney 31, J McPartland 0-1 for T Taylor 51.
DOWN - B McVeigh; M Cole, B Grant, A Molloy; P Murphy, D Rafferty, A Scullion; A Rogers, D Gordon; M Doran, L Doyle 0-1, R Murtagh; R Sexton, B Porter, D Hughes 0-2. Subs: A Brannigan for Cole 7, Cole for Brannigan 10, M Poland for Sexton 40, A Carr 0-1 for Hughes 58, J Colgan for Murtagh 62, C Laverty for Doran 68.
REF - D Goldrick (Meath)