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Your subjective idea of Celtic shít  is someone in a celtic shirt singing a rebel song.
and saying that that is the other side of the same coin

When the fcuk did I say that?

Actually I don't like what goes on.  But what is going on is that individual GAA clubs are renting out their premises to events I don't like.

The GAA is not (and never has) "started raising funds for political/paramilitary groups".

Sorry Jim but that is the worst kind of double-speak. One minute the GAA own and run all the grounds (when it suits them) the next it's the local club and nothing the GAA can do about it. You can't have it both ways.

["FUNCTION: Cork Republican Commemoration Committee, Christmas Fundraiser, featuring The Irish Brigade & Spirit of Freedom,Saturday 15th December 8pm at St.Finbarr's GAA club Togher Cork City, Táille €10."]

Cant open the links Sammy. Whats in them?

"FUNCTION: Cork Republican Commemoration Committee, Christmas Fundraiser, featuring The Irish Brigade & Spirit of Freedom,Saturday 15th December 8pm at St.Finbarr's GAA club Togher Cork City, Táille €10."


and

"TERENCE MacSWINEY WEEKEND: 2.30-5pm Saturday 27 October, Ballyphehane Community Centre: 'Revolutionary Politics in Ireland: 1920 and today'. Contributions from Martin Ferris TD, Cllr. David Cullinane and Paul O'Connor, followed by open discussion. 8pm Blackrock GAA club 'A festival of Ballads' featuring The Irish Brigade, The Spirit of Freedom, Shebeen's Alan Quinn and Padraig Mór (ex Shebeen) Táille €10, tickets available from the Sinn Féin office 136 Barrack st Cork tel 021-4311389. 11am Sunday 28 October,  Historical Walk Through Rebel Cork. Guided tour of places in Cork City centre associated with people and events of the Tan war. Assemble at the Sinn Féin 136 Barrack St. 2.30pm: Annual Terence MacSwiney Commemoration, assemble at Ballyphehane Community Centre. March to the Republican Plot, St.Finbarr's cemetery, music and refreshments afterwards at Tom Lynch's bar Barrack St."

Just the first couple of random examples, if you google you'll find dozens.

If Discover Ireland had rules about supporting a United Ireland or started raising funds for political/paramilitary groups then yes I'd have a problem with them.

no intentions of getting into this whole debate but this comment gave me a bit of a shock.
Is this a serious suggestion that the GAA are raising funds for political / parimilitary groups?

Can you explain please Sammy? Perhaps I took it up wrong but it really needs clarifying.

See reply to Jim

If Discover Ireland had rules about supporting a United Ireland or started raising funds for political/paramilitary groups then yes I'd have a problem with them. Until that time then I'm happy to let them get on with doing a reasonably good job.

Listen,

I have accepted and discussed your thoughts on the GAA time on time.  I can accept criticism of the organisation and I can even understand the pedantic intepretation you have of the rules about "National Identity".  However the GAA has not ever raised funds for political/paramilitary groups of any description.  That is an appalling comment.  It's the kind of shíte that has cost innocent GAA members their lives.  Shame!.

That kind of comment might go down well with in the OWC domain but they are a gross and highly dangerous over-statement of the issue.

/Jim.

You might not like it Jim but you can't deny that it goes on.

Try http://www.anphoblacht.com/events/2007-11-15

or http://www.anphoblacht.com/events/2007-10-18

Or just google An Phoblacht GAA and Fund and you'll find loads.

Only in the world of of the OWC bigots
can Riotous behaviour of 1000s of Rangers fans, stabbing opposition fans, pitch encrosions, attacks on law officers, be compared to the behaviour of Celtic fans who have received standing ovations from police forces and fans from around the world.

For the umpteenth time, the comparison was made by Tony, not anybody from OWC or anywhere else but sure don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

i couldnt really be bothered looking. ill let you do that sometime. you always seem to want proof of everything so im sure you'll not mind providing proof of the celtic fans behaving badly somewhere. give me a shout when you post the links.

The link has already been posted, on page 5. If you want I can post it again, when I can get into Youtube.

just viewed the link on page 5

now i dont know what it is they are singing because i have no sound on the computer but i dont see where the police had to get involved, or where the paramedics were attacked or where the police officer was assaulted on the ground or where the bottles were hurled. in fact i cant say i seen anything similar to last nites incidents at all.

so when you are ready i await your links.

Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM_ax89ge-w Try this one and the other links down the side of it.

national anthem - i've no problem scrapping it
ground and club names - might take a bit of time to get through but agian, i'd have no problem renaming grounds and clubs which may be seen as offensive.

what have i missed?

You've missed the main one, the basic aim of the GAA from the first page of the guide, namely the promotion of a 32 county Ireland.

Would you hold a dislike to Discover Ireland for the same reason? 

If Discover Ireland had rules about supporting a United Ireland or started raising funds for political/paramilitary groups then yes I'd have a problem with them. Until that time then I'm happy to let them get on with doing a reasonably good job.

Some people need to realise there is no ocean between the north and south of ireland.

Fairly sure that everybody knows that, or if not they should get a map.

We should have given ye lot a different name altogether, like Madland or something. Then there'd be no confusion. When people say they are 'Irish', most assume they mean Irish in the Tricolour, Dublin is the Capital, 32 county sort of way. They don't think you mean it in relation to a piece of land called the island of Ireland.

So if I say I'm European would people automatically assume I was French?

p.s. Before I get accused of having a sense of humour failure, I know you were taking the piss.

Yep but to suggest an organisation is racist one, suggests its members are too in fairness.

For the 5 millionth time (approximately) I said that the GAA have some racist rules (which they do). I did not ever say that all GAA men are racists or anything like it.

Its slightly worrying that a cabal of internet warriors can decide who is or isnt 'pure' enough to be a GAA member based soely on having a differnt opinion to the cosy consensus.

It's not just GAA membership they decide on, they can also tell you what nationality you are. 

What have the GAA to do with hunger strike memorials?

Casement Park (which was owned by the GAA the last time I checked) has been used for Hunger Strike memorials as have several club grounds.

individual premises the length and breadth of this and every country hold functions for all sorts of organisations on an ad hoc basis. nothing to do with gaa rules or ethos.

I thought the premises were all owned/controlled by the GAA. If they can stop a local soccer or rugby team using the ground surely they could also stop them being used for political purposes.

if the guide aspires to that then i'd have no problem amending it as with the national constitution. however, it will always be a 32 county organisation, like some political parties and every business on the island.

No problem with that at all.

the fact that most members don't even know this is testament to how irrelevent it is to the actual playing of our games

Indeed but we're constantly being told that the GAA is democratic and acts in the best interest of it's members etc so if nobody gives a flying one about the political stuff, then it should be easy to get rid of it.

i couldnt really be bothered looking. ill let you do that sometime. you always seem to want proof of everything so im sure you'll not mind providing proof of the celtic fans behaving badly somewhere. give me a shout when you post the links.

The link has already been posted, on page 5. If you want I can post it again, when I can get into Youtube.

There's only one link there Sammy and it's hardly the most frightening bit of footage I've seen...

When you click on the link it brings up dozens of examples (or it did the other day). As I've already said I'll post some more links when I can get into youtube, this evening.

A load of Celtic fans singing "Ooh ah up the Ra". Of course it shouldn't be done and indeed it isn't done during matches anymore but you can't tell me this kind of chanting doesn't go on in Rangers bars around Glasgow/Belfast or that there were no sectarian chants in Manchester yesterday?

When did I say it didn't happen at Rangers, of course it does? Two sides of the same shitty coin.

So you are Irish then, not british when it suits you but Irish, and Irish all the time?

What a f**king stupid post? Of course people are Irish all the time, they're also British all the time and European all the time. They're not mutually exclusive.

I hope both teams lose.