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What if 3+ teams tied on points, another team lower in league have pulled out having not played all tied teams, no score difference allowed then ? Play-off again ??

something to this effect happened in Down JFC this year, going into final group game two teams in separate groups were tied on points, in the final round of games one team didn't field against one of the team tied on points who were awarded a 5 point win which is the standard in down games, However as the other team tied on points won and by a handy score line they went through. Cue the team who didn't go through arguing that a playoff should take place as they were unfairly penalised by the opposition not fielding-their agreement that had the other team fielded they may have won the game well and accumulated a better scoring diff, Co board upheld there appeal however Ulster Council ruled in favour of the team who originally qualified. All very messy and why I personally would be in favour of straight knock out

I wouldn't say I will be supporting them but would like Brazil or Belgium to win. Generally find it hard to get worked up about international football-all the Home nations and Ireland are absolutely brutal to watch. Personally have no great liking or disliking towards England, as a united fan find it strange when people cheer for rooney and co one week and then hope they get beat the next. Anyone know when group draw is being made?

Anybody know where Rooney will end up? Or even hazard a guess? I've a feeling he will stay.

He'll be sold to Chelsea after United play Chelsea, transfer window is open for a few days after the game.

Wouldn't be smart to sell one of your key players to title rival.

Unless Rooney hands in a transfer request cant see United selling him. more than likely club will wait to the transfer window has shut and speculation has died down an then will offer him a new deal IMO.

lads would someone be able to help their down neighbour out and post up the senior championship fixtures if the draw has been made? interested in taking in a few games but dont see anything on the armagh website. cheers

Reading a decent book at the moment 'The Cocaine Diaries' about a guy from Dublin who gets caught trying to smuggle half million euros of coke from Venezuela. Gets sentenced to eight years but is eligible for parole in just 18 months. Seems that given the overcrowding that exists in these South American prisons the authorities tend to hand down tough sentences to drug mules to act as a deterrence but in reality will struggle to hold them for their full sentences.
The more money the girls have access to the easier life will be -No doubt they will be getting the family to send over funds ASAP.

I'm normally skeptical when it comes to the drugs issue at top level sports but in Bolt's case I think he's just a freak of nature.

Interesting article with David Gillick this morning:

After processing the mild surprise and nagging disgust that both Tyson Gay and Asafa Powell had failed a doping test – the latest damning indictment on the sport, yet neither of whom he’d any reason to doubt – there was only one thing David Gillick felt like doing.
So he drove the short distance up to Marley Park, ran repeat hills next to the playground, and followed that with a weights session in the GAA clubhouse at nearby Ballinteer St John’s.
This was his old stomping ground, where Gillick first dreamed of running on the world stage, of standing on the medal podium to the tune of Amhrán na bhFiann. It was here Gillick took the first strides towards fulfilling that dream, which within a few years saw him win two European Indoor gold medals in the 400 metres, and run that still brilliant Irish record of 44.77 seconds.
It was here, he told me, that the mild surprise and nagging disgust turned to anger, and why now more than ever, Gillick feels the sport he still loves is being allowed to die.

Sad part
He’s not alone; to anyone else who still cares in that way – and we’re dying out ourselves – this is the sad part of what Gay and Powell have again revealed, that the sport still has the appetite for destruction, while its credibility drops dangerously close to zero.
Gillick has had his critics over the years, not always delivering on the big stage, but it’s never been through lack of effort. In 2009 he made the final of the World Championships in Berlin, finished an excellent sixth, as the American LaShawn Merritt cruised to the gold medal. A year later Merritt failed a doping test, and blamed it on a penis enlargement product, “ExtenZe”. His standard two-year ban was later reduced to 21 months, just in time for Merritt to be back competing at the London Olympics.
Gillick, in the meantime, after narrowly missing out on a medal at the 2010 European Championships in Barcelona, decided he needed to change something to step up to the next level. So he talked his way into one of the leading sprint training groups in the world, and moved to Clermont, Florida to join Gay, his coach Lance Brauman, and some of the other top names in the sport. Yet in trying, ultimately, to match these so-called Fastest Men on Earth, Gillick fell further behind, that being the very reason why doping still makes the crucial difference, and why as long as the penalty doesn’t fit the crime, will continue to do so.
“Yeah, I tried to stick with that, and for a while I did,” says Gillick. “Then I got as far as February and I tore my calf muscle, broke down completely. That’s when I started to question the intensity that these guys were training at, knocking it out, week after week. At that time Tyson Gay had a few injury problems, too. He would hop on a plane, go away for a week or two, then come back flying again.
“At the time it was hard to know what to imply by that, but in hindsight, it makes perfect sense now.
“Now I never saw anyone doping, or was never bluntly offered anything, because this kind of stuff doesn’t go on down at the track. It’s done in their own apartments, houses, wherever. But that’s what performance enhancing drugs are about, allowing athletes to train hard the whole year round, unlike us mere mortals.
“That’s what’s really hitting me, wondering how many of these athletes that actually beat me were taking drugs? That’s the hardest part. Was I done out of a medal, or even fourth, or fifth? Have I been robbed of something?”
That’s the equally sad part of the Gay and Powell affair, that they’re not only cheating themselves but the whole sport and everyone in it.
What typically separates the cheats from those being cheated, however, is the level of noise and uproar about both the testing process and the process that follows: there are those who remain suspiciously quiet.
“I know the lifetime ban won’t happen, for legal reasons or whatever. But there’s no reason they can’t make it a four-year ban. That’s at least is an Olympic cycle. And when an athlete sees one of their closest rivals get done there should be more noise. I’m not hearing enough of that noise.

Why Declan? Why do we think he just happens to be a freak of nature when practically every other top sprinter, including lads he beats regularly, are dirty? Is it his personality, or just the fact that he seems to be a nice guy?

I have to say, I can't believe he isn't juiced.

I wouldn't say just because Bolt has beaten these guys who have been on drugs means he has had to be on them himself.
I read Dwain Chambers book a while back he actually found when he looked back over his race times that he didn't performed any better when he raced on drugs than when he didn't.  The use of drugs seemed to have more of a psychological effect rather than a physical one. When athletes on drugs race well they believe it's down to the fact they are using banned substances and whenever they have a bad performance they feel they need to up their dosage.
The reality is for top athletes its fairly easy to use banned substances in the off season and go undetected. The main chance of getting caught is if they have been using drugs during the competition season.

It just needs to be worked up.Rangers V Celtic rivalry and bitterness didnt happen overnight either.I'm telling you Rovers V Linfield could be marketed in Scotland as well as Ireland

Doubtful by the time any marketing campaign would get people even remotely interested in this fixture rangers will more than likely be in the SPL again and the old firm will be back to centre stage.

Dont know has a thread already been started for this

Currently playing FM13 got a game going with PSG, given 45 million to spend and with adjusting wage bugets managed to sign bale,toni kroos in my first year with Fernando Llorente and lucas moura signing in January. Finished 2nd in the league a mile behind montpellier who also beat me in the french equivalent of the league cup. Lost in the CL final to Chelsea. Got offered new contract and just about to start the summer transfer window with 23 million to spend. Any tips for signings, wonderkids etc

As someone already suggested speak to your bank and threaten to leave.

This isn't worth the price of the phone call. If you aren't paying them anything they would be happy to see you leave.

Just a suggestion worked for me, banks know if you leave them cause your unhappy with your account then your unlikely to return to them in future for a loan or savings account etc the areas where the banks really make their money!!

I called into my branch and spoke to the manager and had no issues.

As someone already suggested speak to your bank and threaten to leave.

I had a student acc with Santander purely to make use of their overdraft facility had all my wages, student loan etc paid into my first trust acc. One month I was close to my arranged overdraft limit and forgot to lodge money into the acc to cover Direct debits and standing orders. The direct debits came out allowing Santander to charge me ridiculous interest fees whilst the standing order was refused allowing them to charge me more for it bouncing back. In the end I ended up with about £80 to pay, spoke to the bank an although they probably legally were well within their rights I said it was bad customer service that they would let a account run up such fees and not inform the acc holder and said I was closing the account, manager came and spoke to me and waived the fees with no hassle.

First trust are top class never any hassle with them!!

laceer did you invest in the end?