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As you are the man in the know MR2 who is the refs two sidekicks for the final

BTW didn't see the Cargin game at all but have to assume by all comments in here you got it all wong 

Now that the ref has been appointed, its only fair for me to have a chat on this thread. I've always came away from the thread during championship

Free count exactly the same for both teams, Cargin won 11 free's in the first half Creggan won 12, no technical fouls, Cargin had a few more advantage calls, one of which led to the goal. Creggan also picked up a yellow card, no notes or cards for Cargin.

Second half Cargin won more frees 11 frees to Creggan's 10. (even overall) Cargin had one for overcarrying call while Creggan had 1 throw ball and one overcarrying call also another yellow card.

As for the Gerard McCann hit, on reflection or after 3 views I understand why that would be looked at as a fair challenge, the ref has one second to call it, positionally had I been in a better place it could have been called differently so I'll take that one on the chin, but a tight call all the same.

I'm not sure what game CB was watching with those 'facts' I've watched it back recorded, timed and where the tackles happened and what came of them.

Cargin unusually missed a couple of easy frees for them, Tomas dropped one short and young Pat pulled one to the right of the post, very unlike the pair of them and Mick also missed from open play from about 21 yards out the right.

I wish Colm al the best, as said already on here, a very good ref and hopefully both teams allow him and his officials to do their job, we won't keep everyone happy, but we have a course every year for new ref's that are interested, you can PM me details and I'll forward them on to the referees panel. the quality of the armchair ref is of a very high standard and would be useful on days like Sunday

I believe the GAA should bring in a rule that you can only manage your own club. I don't like this business of paid outside managers at all. For me it definitely devalues any success a club has. Totally understand why some clubs feel they need to do it but I don't think it should be permitted.

In theory that's great snd would agree. Couple of North Antrim club im aware had that put into the club constitution and the way around it was making the outside manager a "paying" member of the club. Clubs will always find a way around it.

What about Karol Doc, McCauley, Totes?

Coupe surprising merry go rounds in div2 if info i received this morning is correct, a superb Cargin player in my days and ex manager of them  to go to the near neighbours in div2? Ex Johnnies manager to go back to Crumlin and the young lad who was there few years ago with  soccer background back to Ballymena? Another young lad from moneyglass  to Glenravel ?

All hearsay at this time of the year and could be BS. Follow the money I suppose...

As for top refs in football? Laverty, McDonald, McKeown and Robert's (potential to be better) for me.

I don't think any team beat this year can solely blame ref for losing. Ref never gave ball away or kicked it wide. Lazy excuse.

Any thoughts on who gets the final. Toland again?

For my money the best ref in the county is that McDonald chap from St Galls I think. Explains his decisions and generally makes the right call.

Red cards successfully  appealed two years running in big games?

Any thoughts on who gets the final. Toland again?

I heard it was one of the men standing with an ear piece in at the Aghagallon game

I have expressed on the past here that I am no fan of Cassidy (or his methods should I say) however credit where credit is due lads, x3 championships in a row, shown in 2 finals again Creggan that he could win attacking and defensive games!! No mug, however, not to forget Devlin in with him

Any confirmation of time and venue for the final?

Surely a SW venue would make the most sense for 2 SW clubs.

Dunsilly would do the job surely. Any word on who is the ref?

I heard a rumour it was young Roberts

Beannchar

I heard Drumsurn

Can't see them getting shot of Brady given the year they had

No no, meet Monday to decide if clarification should be sought, there will be one of two outcomes from the clarifications, if the rules are broken are you even going to appeal, if not why seek the clarification

So meet Monday... concensus seeks clarification Meet Tuesday to decide action  it rumbles on
Smart thing was to have your info at hand prior to meeting bring everyone with you as much as possible Try to get it to an agreed conclusion in one go.
Just my opinion.... I think they did well I think on reflection Aghagallon will agree

I do not doubt any of this, however my point is when you put the wheels in motion of seeking a clarification you are opening a can of worms, as they had 72 hours to launch an appeal surely they could have met to see if a clarification would affect how they would act. After all the clarification would be yes the rules were not followed or the rules were followed. Why not meet to say, should we seek clarification? If the rules were not followed will an appeal follow? The process/decision was clear as there could only be one of two outcomes from the clarification sought

I'm sorry BS I don't buy this and deep down I do not think that you either believe it yourself or agree that your club should have sought clarification.

All the parties you have stated could have met and decided if they would seek clarification from the CCC, as opposed to seeking clarification and meeting on it. Can you confirm what the CCC said in relation to the request for clarification.

From what I can see on here you seem like a decent bloke, however your frustrations are coming through calling people idiots, who exactly are you frustrated with? The public who have stated Casements were wrong in even considering an appeal or the club for considering seeking an appeal?

There are some idiots here who are quick to dive in without a proper understanding of how clubs work. Maybe some of you haven't served on committees or understand how these things work. There's executive members, extended committee members, standard club members, team management, team first team players, then squad members. Maybe a club sponsor may have a view. There are so many constituent parts that make up a club. This happened Sunday night. Many said let it go, others sure check out the validity first. That happened. Social media kicked in like wildfire before our club committee even got a chance to discuss and review. When they did, the correct call was made. For anyone to try to denigrate our club for any part of this is just plain ignorant of how club governing and communication structures work. So please wise up some of you. Social media did not influence our clubs decision in any way. Cool heads behind the scenes were always in control, just needed a few hours to quieten the influence of a few who sought to peddle their own agenda.

This story has passed. Casements relinquished an opportunity to get the match relayed with a key player back. Thankfully most on here recognise that for what it is, the upkeep of sporting integrity.

CD BS has articulated this well
This only kicked off on Sunday evening. To suggest that you could get all parties together without establishing the facts on Sunday night is just a bit ridiculous. Anyone who has any understanding of how clubs /comittees work would know that you need to have your information factually correct beforehand.
Anyone who has ever been in a position or close to a position within a club will probably agree to get this to a conclusion within 24 and a bit hours is some achievement. I would be surprised if Aghagallon despite their initial disappointment would not agree with this as well on reflection. Casements is not 1 person, it is not a committee it is a wide group of members. The key thing is to bring everyone with you in the decision. There is no shortage of examples of much smaller and trivial issues that have caused splits and grievances in virtually every club in the country. There would have been a good few guys in PG1 who wouldnt have got much work done yesterday. Time to move on

I do not doubt any of this, however my point is when you put the wheels in motion of seeking a clarification you are opening a can of worms, as they had 72 hours to launch an appeal surely they could have met to see if a clarification would affect how they would act. After all the clarification would be yes the rules were not followed or the rules were followed. Why not meet to say, should we seek clarification? If the rules were not followed will an appeal follow? The process/decision was clear as there could only be one of two outcomes from the clarification sought

I'm sorry BS I don't buy this and deep down I do not think that you either believe it yourself or agree that your club should have sought clarification.

All the parties you have stated could have met and decided if they would seek clarification from the CCC, as opposed to seeking clarification and meeting on it. Can you confirm what the CCC said in relation to the request for clarification.

From what I can see on here you seem like a decent bloke, however your frustrations are coming through calling people idiots, who exactly are you frustrated with? The public who have stated Casements were wrong in even considering an appeal or the club for considering seeking an appeal?

There are some idiots here who are quick to dive in without a proper understanding of how clubs work. Maybe some of you haven't served on committees or understand how these things work. There's executive members, extended committee members, standard club members, team management, team first team players, then squad members. Maybe a club sponsor may have a view. There are so many constituent parts that make up a club. This happened Sunday night. Many said let it go, others sure check out the validity first. That happened. Social media kicked in like wildfire before our club committee even got a chance to discuss and review. When they did, the correct call was made. For anyone to try to denigrate our club for any part of this is just plain ignorant of how club governing and communication structures work. So please wise up some of you. Social media did not influence our clubs decision in any way. Cool heads behind the scenes were always in control, just needed a few hours to quieten the influence of a few who sought to peddle their own agenda.

This story has passed. Casements relinquished an opportunity to get the match relayed with a key player back. Thankfully most on here recognise that for what it is, the upkeep of sporting integrity.

CD BS has articulated this well
This only kicked off on Sunday evening. To suggest that you could get all parties together without establishing the facts on Sunday night is just a bit ridiculous. Anyone who has any understanding of how clubs /comittees work would know that you need to have your information factually correct beforehand.
Anyone who has ever been in a position or close to a position within a club will probably agree to get this to a conclusion within 24 and a bit hours is some achievement. I would be surprised if Aghagallon despite their initial disappointment would not agree with this as well on reflection. Casements is not 1 person, it is not a committee it is a wide group of members. The key thing is to bring everyone with you in the decision. There is no shortage of examples of much smaller and trivial issues that have caused splits and grievances in virtually every club in the country. There would have been a good few guys in PG1 who wouldnt have got much work done yesterday. Time to move on

I'm sorry BS I don't buy this and deep down I do not think that you either believe it yourself or agree that your club should have sought clarification.

All the parties you have stated could have met and decided if they would seek clarification from the CCC, as opposed to seeking clarification and meeting on it. Can you confirm what the CCC said in relation to the request for clarification.

From what I can see on here you seem like a decent bloke, however your frustrations are coming through calling people idiots, who exactly are you frustrated with? The public who have stated Casements were wrong in even considering an appeal or the club for considering seeking an appeal?

There are some idiots here who are quick to dive in without a proper understanding of how clubs work. Maybe some of you haven't served on committees or understand how these things work. There's executive members, extended committee members, standard club members, team management, team first team players, then squad members. Maybe a club sponsor may have a view. There are so many constituent parts that make up a club. This happened Sunday night. Many said let it go, others sure check out the validity first. That happened. Social media kicked in like wildfire before our club committee even got a chance to discuss and review. When they did, the correct call was made. For anyone to try to denigrate our club for any part of this is just plain ignorant of how club governing and communication structures work. So please wise up some of you. Social media did not influence our clubs decision in any way. Cool heads behind the scenes were always in control, just needed a few hours to quieten the influence of a few who sought to peddle their own agenda.

This story has passed. Casements relinquished an opportunity to get the match relayed with a key player back. Thankfully most on here recognise that for what it is, the upkeep of sporting integrity.

Have they? For many I think PG1 will have gone done in people's estimations, had it not have been for the poor publicity they were receiving and the force of public opinion I believe they would have proceeded with an appeal, if not why seek clarification unless they did not get the response they wanted from the CCC?

To be decided on the day depending on how quickly Frankie needs home for the dinner

Anyone know the extra time rules for the final ?

Dogs? Go on RC spill what you mean

I'm sure we will survive Jim lol.
A lot of people passing judgement on this before the facts have been made clear, that will be done in due course!
Whilst we are on the subject of rules, I thought dogs were not allowed in GAA grounds (those that know will know) 😄

It is penalties which the argument is about, nothing to do with Soccer as they are also part of our games so I fail to see what your snide comment adds

Would it not be the case that it should be penalties and not a full replay, afterall this is where the bone of contention is?

Have it in windsor park sure

Couldn't agree more Mickey, nothing to see here as far as I can see or that should be the case

You see I don't know what % of clubs would take it on the chin, and how many would not. It's easy for a club to say it wouldn't until they are in that position.

I appreciate your sentiment Champion. You say most clubs would object, that's interesting.

So IF most clubs would, why would PG1 be the big bad wolf if they do so? Just asking!

I would be deeply embarrassed if shoe was on other foot and Aghagallon lodged an appeal on a technicality had they lost out yesterday. As I said earlier, it was an epic game of football. Both sets of fans were treated to a thrilling afternoon of hard hitting, fair football. Im being 100% serious and honest here. I just cant see how PG1 have a right to feel aggrieved after such a game. Im actually shocked to read some of the comments on here. Surely to God the vast majority of Gaels would feel the same way? I must be badly out of touch of how the game is going