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In general, left-wing politics is in favour of self government as far as possible I believe. So ideologically I guess they'd be against it, but practically its clearly been a boon to Ireland, north and south, so again I guess, they're being practical.

Sinn Fein are not a left wing party .

Probably when they saw the shower of fkd up arseholes that were also against the EU.

There was an old joke that an Phoblacht and the Daily Telegraph's editorials on the EU were more or less the same . 

Once again,Nationalist Ireland by willingly conceding the North to the UK in 1998 is primarily to blame for this fiasco.Did they think Blair would be PM forever? Eurosceptism is not an overnight phenomenon in Britain,it has been gaining momentum for at least three decades.

Not that long ago since Sinn Fein which represents the majority of nationalists in the six counties were Eurosceptics too. I suspect they still are at heart. The GF still recognises that everyone on island are Irish citizens. Even some Unionists are now appreciating that post Brexit. Unity only possible if a certain segment of Unionist vote with majority of nationalists. I think it's clear from a recent poll that a hard Brexit could make this possible even if the Unionist newspapers failed to report that aspect of the poll.

It is notable that SF have played no part in the present debate, have put forward no ideas of any consequence. Their sheer immaturity makes them useless  in the present situation. The only saving grace is that they managed to oppose Brexit unlike the loonies in the People Against People.

SF are the bogeyman party for every other party in the north and south, and plenty across the water too. Why? Because they continue to challenge the process - a process that delivered a sectarian statelet and oversaw a pogrom against Catholics within that statelet, and continues to divide the people of an island, the vast majority who could live and prosper in a tolerable way alongside each other regardless of ideology.

SF's number one goal at this present moment in time is Irish reunification, after that they would aim to govern in that "new" Ireland. Brexit is feeding the reunification project, sometimes it is best to speak up sometimes it is best to stand back. For SF to speak out now would hand a straightforward opportunity to all Brexiteers to deflect their shortcomings on to SF and create additional spin and propaganda. In fact SF have done the exact opposite - Gerry retired! Bogeyman exits stage left.

Brexit is yet more rope the Unionists have from which to hang themselves. In time honored fashion the Brits may string them up before then anyway, cut them loose and end the frankenstein statelet. The Brits brought this situation on themselves, what exactly do you want SF to do or say? They are an anti-Brexit abstentionist party, Brexit works for reunification, Brexit works for SF. One mans immature stance is another mans ambivalence, and they have every right to be ambivalent.

SF opposed the Common Market when Uk and ROI joined .  They opposed every treaty since .

When did they accept the EU ?? Was it when they became part of the political parasite apparatus in Strasboug ?

Can you shed light .

Took in the intermediate final yesterday. Poorish game truth be told. Rostrevors shooting let them down, Moys ability to win easy frees via Sean Cavanagh crucial. Rostrevor were probably a bit too jumped up and their indiscipline cost them. The Moy were very calm and closed the game out well but overall standard wasn't great.

Hard to disagree, I watched Moy vs Newbridge and they were expansive with dangerous attacking options, Rostrevor had their match ups well planned and kept the game tight, Cavanagh was harassed throughout the whole game before his man was sent off, he even got away with giving Cavanagh a bloody nose. Loughran was quiet, I expected more from him. Very defensive game not for the purists. Moy will have their work cut out against Kerry senior side An Gaeltacht, second in Division 1 to Dr Crokes. Anyone know the Kerry system here can explain how they are playing intermediate football?

Gaeltacht were relegated to intermediate a few years back .  The noughties golden generation of ths o ses , Cinneide , mcgearailt all petered out .  There was nothing coming through till now .  They have some crop now with Hogan cup , minor all Ireland winners etc .   They and Dingle will be a serious force at senior in the coming years .

"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it"

Barry might well remember that

Seafoid,the South is only concerned with it's economic well being hence its (belated) interest in the Border.While in Dublin last Tuesday I heard Vincent Browne on radio quite rightly say that for decades neither the government or people in the South gave a damn about the plight of Northern Nationalists.

The fact remains the Dublin govt enthusiastically urged the southern electorate to abandon Articles 2 and 3 thus effectively agreeing that the North is British.It cannot now complain about anything the British do in the North,as they agreed that the British should govern it.

Tony

The two main parties for northern nationalists urged northern nationalists to abandon Articles 2 & 3 in 1998 .

Martin O'Neill 4/5 favourite to be the next Everton manager.Would probably take Keane with him,handy to his Cheshire home.

I can't see MON being appointed to Everton .   Bookies love playing ducks and drakes on such matters .

Arlene said this morning that she/unionists would not allow anything makes NI less british than the rest of the UK. She knows rightly that it is different. We have a:

- North/South Ministerial Council
- all-Ireland tourism
- Shared electricity
- all-ireland sports bodies for rugby, cricket, gaelic
- native Irish tongue

Please add others.

A society where tyre and pallet burning is considered a culture

Nothing to be a county final win by a small club .

Ashley Williams won Ireland the game in Cardiff .  He has been awful this year .

Does the good Lord not own a lot of free state local and regional newspapers,via his Alpha group.I also heard him say years ago,he was a close friend of Brian Mc Eniff and has used his hospitality outlets on many occasions,and likes to see Donegal do well on the GAA front.

He is far from the worst I can tell you. When his kids were small and wanted more pocket money they had to set up an appointment with him in his office at home,during which they had to fully justify their request upon which he would make a decision! 😂.Seriously.

A county team going well is good for local newspapers .   I am sure Baron Kilclooney will be a good supporter of teams where he has a commercial interest .

Baron Kilclooney is some WUM .

Dromid beat a very game and strong Galtee Gaels in Dromid on Saturday. 2-17 to 3-10 after extra time. Great scoring for junior football on a heavy pitch in November.

Galtee Gaels are a fine side and TBH are better than this level in Limerick .  They were very unlucky . Great club .

I wasn't .  A long spin from Ardagh . I was gutted for them . I understand Knocknagree are very good and are fancied to beat Dromid .
Were you down at it? It was a great day for Dromid, hosting a game like that.

Dromid beat a very game and strong Galtee Gaels in Dromid on Saturday. 2-17 to 3-10 after extra time. Great scoring for junior football on a heavy pitch in November.

Galtee Gaels are a fine side and TBH are better than this level in Limerick .  They were very unlucky . Great club .   

Qualification hinged on late disallowed goal v Austria.

Austria played ROI off the pitch that day .  The Walters goal could have been disallowed . ROI were very lucky over this campaign

Very few of the Irish rubgy league team be irish born

Yes , a massive snub of the grassroots game on this island.