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#46
Quote from: J70 on May 04, 2023, 06:17:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 04, 2023, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 04, 2023, 05:41:28 PM
Let's put it this way: when's the last time someone in Ireland (or the US) was arrested for saying "I think homosexuality is wrong/an abomination "?

Has it ever happened?

It's been a protected characteristic for quite a while now.

Most intelligent people would just say "f**k off bigot" or something to that effect.
That assumes good faith ongoing.
Trans people may be more litigious. They use bad faith more often. Why should the people be exposed to this ?

Trans people use bad faith more often??

They may be more litigious??
if I told you 2/3 years ago that you could lose your job for calling a biological man a man and not playing the pronoun game would you have believed me ? Doesn't take long to escalate
#47
There was 70% negative feedback on this in an independent study, so the question is why push ahead with it , the answer is the government in Ireland and around the world don't want any dissension to their policies whether it be trans , climate change, immigration, Ukraine, lockdowns and the policies associated with them , brand everyone far right who dissents .
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime
#48
Quote from: smelmoth on May 04, 2023, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 04, 2023, 01:51:08 PM
The whole point of my exchange with Gmac  was that he was claiming that the mere act of misgendering someone could result in prison time. The criminal charges and prison stuff is what we were discussing, NOT the inclusion of gender identity among the protected characteristics.
   
In order for someone to have a credible case brought against them that they are engaging in hate speech or directly or recklessly inciting violence against someone on account of their gender identity, their sexual orientation, their religion, their race, you're going to have to have a lot more going on that just someone mistakenly calling someone else by the wrong pronoun. The other protected characteristics have been there for at least 30 years in Ireland, and there have been 1-2 cases per year in all that time. Yet we've heard plenty about the abuse of people of colour on the playing fields, including GAA fields.

As I pointed out, the act, in section 11, even carves out an exception for good faith debate and discussion, so no one is being muzzled on that front.

Quote from: Gmac on May 04, 2023, 03:14:31 PM
Play along with mental illness or we jail you

One of these posters is engaging in reasoned debate. The other is a fool
j70 I think you should report him for abuse .
#49
Play along with mental illness or we jail you
#50
Joe will sink the US , happening everyday already
#51
Will people who are called racists , faciists and nazi for no reason other than voting for a political candidate be protected?
#52
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 05:36:19 PM
Quote from: Gmac on May 03, 2023, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 04:25:15 PM
Ok, so where does it say simply "misgendering someone" will result in prison?
read the bill

I did. I did not see any such language or language that could be reasonably assumed to imply what you claim.

I did see this, however...

Protection of freedom of expression
11. For the purposes of this Part, any material or behaviour is not taken to incite violence or hatred against a person or a group of persons on account of their protected characteristics or any of those characteristics solely on the basis that that material or behaviour includes or involves discussion or criticism of matters relating to a protected characteristic.


Seems to be quite a bit of latitude there for good faith discussion or criticism and mistakes in gender identification, contrary to your paranoid hyperbole (assuming you're making good faith statements).

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/bill/2022/105/eng/ver_b/b105b22d.pdf
is hate speech misgendering someone in the bill ?
What is punishment for hate speech ?
If I said it was a great idea you would probably be against it
#53
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 04:25:15 PM
Ok, so where does it say simply "misgendering someone" will result in prison?
read the bill
#54
I read the bill , hate speech includes gender identity and misgendering
#55
Quote from: J70 on May 03, 2023, 02:36:50 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 02, 2023, 08:20:49 PM
Quote from: Gmac on May 02, 2023, 07:34:31 PM
Funny to see irish twitter explode about don jr making a statement about the hate speech bill in Ireland

Am I mad for thinking there's something very off about it? Prosecuting someone for something that was sent to them by phone and putting the onus on them to prove themselves innocent (not the other way round) is very Orwellian Ministry of Truth like. Can anyone explain it better or what am I missing?

Is someone really going to be prosecuted just for something that was sent to them?
probably deserves a thread of its own but from what I read misgendering someone will be a crime and punishable by jail time, start deleting guys I mean they them
#56
Laois / Re: Tailteann Cup 2023
May 02, 2023, 08:15:16 PM
Last championship game I was at was 2019 v Offaly when Laois handled them easy in o Moore park be interesting to see how this game goes
#57
Funny to see irish twitter explode about don jr making a statement about the hate speech bill in Ireland
#58
Quote from: J70 on April 27, 2023, 07:55:44 PM
Quote from: Gmac on April 27, 2023, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 27, 2023, 05:21:02 PM
I think Gmac needs to crack open a cool Bud Light and relax a wee bit.  8)
watery piss I'd say your more of a white claw guy

Is that an insult? Not a cool alpha-male drink in the MAGA swamps?

My wife's family enjoys White Claw when we're out west, but it's not something I've ever felt a need to try.

Not much of a drinker myself these days, but I do enjoy an occasional craft beer (low on the hops) or cider.
haha
#59
Quote from: J70 on April 27, 2023, 05:21:02 PM
I think Gmac needs to crack open a cool Bud Light and relax a wee bit.  8)
watery piss I'd say your more of a white claw guy
#60
Quote from: J70 on April 27, 2023, 10:40:25 AM
Gmac, you're going to have a stroke getting angry at ridiculous, irrelevant nonsense, just because some arsehole on the radio told you to.

WTF is wrong with notes or "cheat sheets"? Especially when you're going to have to talk and provide details about a multitude of topics?

FFS even Trump had to use notes, not least the time he wrote down specific words he could use to sound like a normal human being when talking about a mass shooting. Most people do, maybe freaks like Bill Clinton aside (and I'm sure he had to at times). These are not like debates where you practice for days in each and every possible topic.

Same with the pre-scheduled question. That shit happens all the time too. Especially when there's something specific they want to address. Remember the comically ridiculous questions Trump used to get from that OAN lady?

Do yourself a favour and find something legitimate to get your knickers in a twist about. Cheat notes, pre-selected questions and not scheduling official primary debates on incumbent years are not it (you like Trump saying he'll not be debating at the RNC's debate at the REAGAN PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY because the chairman has connections to the WP? ;D)
sure it happens all the time ✊
Your as naive as Lois lane