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f**k them - haters gonna hate
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I was talking to a former Derry county player and he said he couldn't believe the stick Tyrone were getting and was embarrassed by Derry wans coming onto sites like this and giving off about it. He went as far as to say that it made all Derry folk look like sheep without any views of their own.

Hard to listen to

Was talking to a former Tyrone county player there earlier, and credit to him, he said he was ashamed of the antics Tyrone players are involved in these days. He went as far as to say he couldn't take any pleasure in watching them win some games due to their cheating and unsporting play.

Good to hear.

Joe?

Phyical element probaly comes from club football in Tyrone, been a few incidents over the years. Other Counties too, but maybe more so in Tyrone?

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDoQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2F2011%2F0419%2Fmcmahonj.html&ei=WYVHVafCLvKP7AbD3YHwDg&usg=AFQjCNFnCp2nVDMgT6KL8nhp_YJFfQ9hUQ&bvm=bv.92291466,d.ZGU

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE4QFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joe.ie%2Funcategorized%2Ftyrone-gaa-reacts-to-umbrella-brawl-with-nine-years-of-bans%2F29699&ei=W4ZHVcm_LMSE7gaJ6YCADw&usg=AFQjCNHTpSVjgt7Xjufb8oMAdT8yq-_XQw

Ah here, is that the best you can do, given our reputation I was expecting at least a dozen examples, not a measly two!

There were two potential red cards in that U21 final (which would have materialised if tbe ref had been keeping up with the play), neither of which involved a Tír Eoghain player, not that tbe like of Gavin Cummiskey would ever remark on such uncomfortable facts. A vast philosophical difference indeed.

I'm truly in awe of all the other counties and the angels they do have playing for them, we really aren't worthy, verily.

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http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/kerry-club-in-dock-1.1308519

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/crimes-and-misdemeanours-the-gaa-s-disciplinary-fallout-from-violence-to-verbals-the-story-so-far-1.291059

Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.

Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.

im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?

I don't profess to have any knowledge of what Tyrone teach or preach behind closed doors but the mentality is plain for anyone to see. Maybe it's just in the ether in the county now and every young team takes up the mantle of the teams they grew up watching. I doubt the players are being told to stop it and they continually take the field and ignore the wishes of their coaches - if it isn't being coached it certainly isn't being actively coached against. Whatever the case it exists and it's something Tyrone would be better off without.

I would say that the younger players try and emulate the older ones for sure - but i suspect that if youngsters want to be copying sean cavanagh they have a greater body of work to copy from in terms of point taking against mcmanus pull downs.

my point is that everyone is throwing stones in their own glass house....the media have made tyrone unpopular and they certainly are not the only team that want to win with the team they have...Kerry, cork, donegal, cavan, Monaghan, armagh all do their best to win 0- at all costs and Id arguably say that only Mayo and Dublin are teams in any way able to take the moral high ground...and to that i'd say just watch what dublin and mayo do to win this year

Absolute horsehit. Tyrone have made tyrone unpopular.

Whether it was kneeing opponents in the back, sourcing opponents girlsfriends numbers and reciting them over and over to their opponents during matches, spitting, gouging- I'm struggling to think of the last time Martin Breheny did that.


Could you point one out please.

Tyrone have a rap sheet because they created it- nobody else

Really?
Stephen O'Neill v Cork in Anthony Lynch in 2009
Peter Harte v Mayo 2013
Dooher, Canavan, mcBride v Meath 1996
McKeever v cavanagh 2014

you ask any of the 1993-94 Down team and they will tell you that Derry were a dirty shower...but given that there were only 1-2 cameras, the stuff stayed well hidden...its not a new thing and its not a tyrone thing

You have a myopic view of Tyrone - Im not saying we are saints but the media have unquestionably exacerbated the situation, lead by Brolly, Cummiskey et al

in 2005 or 2006 Paul galvin hit Kieran mcgeeny 3 times in 20 minutes - all illegal....Cavan, Donegal, Cork...f**k sake...every team have their moments...it is what it is....

hardly the fault of u21s or the assumption that the managers have systematically coached players from an early age? Sure thing joe brolly...

[Doha is a class act]

I think it far more likely that the dark arts are being encouraged by the likes of Dooher and Canavan who were well known to engage and employ these tactics themselves as players. Logan as others have rightly pointed out is a well respected figure and that is probably why he has been appointed manager with the other 2 in the background. It will be very interesting to see the dynamic when they step up to take the senior team next year. Will Logan take the helm at senior level or will Canavan jump directly into the managers seat?   

you are so wrong about Canavan - have you ever seen the treatment doled out to him? he has had to stand up fro himself over the years and compensate his lack of height with core strength and guile...not dirty..Dirty = Tommy Dowd.

People are at a seriously naive level to believe that Tyrone actually coach this shit....any strategy....for that matter?

I think Logan will have to take serious look at the impact of the time taken against running a very successful business. Doha is a class act but may struggle unless they can design a jersey with subtitles...Canavan might not want to jump into mickeys grave so soon...and who said that Mickey is for leaving?? 

Thats what makes it all the more disappointing with Canavan, that he was such a highly skilled footballer, yet he is a total pragmatist at the same time. I remember him pulling down a Kerry man in injury time of the 2005 AI final with a rugby tackle, cynicism at its finest. I also seem to remember him having an altercation in a shower in a Tyrone club match so don't pretend he was always the one sinned against. Even at managerial level his football style with Fermanagh was symptomatic of a modern game plan where possession is king and the number one priority was a sound defensive system. Dooher I know less about at managerial level but from what I've seen first hand, he gets too involved sledging opposition players and management.

Nobody said Harte is definitely gone but his term is up this year and unless they win an Ulster or get to an AI final I can't see him having the will to continue and it just may be that it is the end of the road for him at this level.

I dont have a narrowcast view on canavan - or tyrone for that matter...id like to think that Im open-minded on the game, tactics and other teams. There is a distorted view about Tyrone based simply on what a few pundits say and a complete lack of self-awareness when it comes to your own teams...a stranger to the sport, reading these threads would believe that Tyrone are the only team to HAVE ever sledged, tackled late or loose, or pulled men down....take the blinkers off....i dont think we are whiter than white but we have been sinned against as much as anyone else and sin as often as most others.....i just dont believe everything i hear in the media

I think it far more likely that the dark arts are being encouraged by the likes of Dooher and Canavan who were well known to engage and employ these tactics themselves as players. Logan as others have rightly pointed out is a well respected figure and that is probably why he has been appointed manager with the other 2 in the background. It will be very interesting to see the dynamic when they step up to take the senior team next year. Will Logan take the helm at senior level or will Canavan jump directly into the managers seat?   

you are so wrong about Canavan - have you ever seen the treatment doled out to him? he has had to stand up fro himself over the years and compensate his lack of height with core strength and guile...not dirty..Dirty = Tommy Dowd.

People are at a seriously naive level to believe that Tyrone actually coach this shit....any strategy....for that matter?

I think Logan will have to take serious look at the impact of the time taken against running a very successful business. Doha is a class act but may struggle unless they can design a jersey with subtitles...Canavan might not want to jump into mickeys grave so soon...and who said that Mickey is for leaving?? 

Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.

Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.

im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?

I don't profess to have any knowledge of what Tyrone teach or preach behind closed doors but the mentality is plain for anyone to see. Maybe it's just in the ether in the county now and every young team takes up the mantle of the teams they grew up watching. I doubt the players are being told to stop it and they continually take the field and ignore the wishes of their coaches - if it isn't being coached it certainly isn't being actively coached against. Whatever the case it exists and it's something Tyrone would be better off without.

I would say that the younger players try and emulate the older ones for sure - but i suspect that if youngsters want to be copying sean cavanagh they have a greater body of work to copy from in terms of point taking against mcmanus pull downs.

my point is that everyone is throwing stones in their own glass house....the media have made tyrone unpopular and they certainly are not the only team that want to win with the team they have...Kerry, cork, donegal, cavan, Monaghan, armagh all do their best to win 0- at all costs and Id arguably say that only Mayo and Dublin are teams in any way able to take the moral high ground...and to that i'd say just watch what dublin and mayo do to win this year

Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.

Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.

im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?

It was a great game - very tense and some great scores given the conditions.

As a Tyrone fan, it's easy to get into the siege mentality and see it as everyone is out to get us but at the end of the day, Tyrone used every single bit of experience that they had on the sideline to win that game - Logan wasn't a dirty footballer at all and the notion that Tyrone coach that style of football is flattering in so far as it suggests there is a strategy at all.

But there isn't. Plan and simple.

The academy set up may well change that, but until then...

Tipperary probably lack the experience at that level and for their management team to berate Tyrone for their tactics and to close the door on Logan shows that they too lacked experience of dealing with defeat at that level - esp having beaten Cork and Dublin on the way through.

I have seen coaching at every level in tyrone. seen it in Armagh and Antrim too. In club football, say in Derry for example, or Armagh, teams like Balinderry and Slaughtneil or Crossmaglen, do whatever it takes to bring success at senior level.

listening to guys like brolly in the media would lead you to believe that a winning mentality is wrong? Really?

If it is them lets have 2 competitions running in tandem - one called the All-Ireland and the other called "take it easy now lads, its only a  game..."

Tyrone have been ridiculed and slagged to fcuk in the media this last 2 years with out the thought that maybe, just maybe, there are other teams doing the same....you ever see the picture of Stephen o'neills shirt in the 2010 Cork game? I can remember Plunkett Donaghey getting fucked over by Brian mullins in front of the ref..(just can't remember the year..maybe 1982 or 84?

It has been happening for years and not just by tyrone - its called football lads....Kerry, Dublin, Armagh, Donegal, and Cork...and others all want to win...and its not so much as "win at all costs" but "win with the team you have"

I wish Tipp all the best and genuinely hope that they can keep that team together and learn from the game on Saturday - and drive on to better things...1995 did that for Tyrone....

As an ulster gaa man it is so disappointing to see the politicisation of our provincial stadium... so typical of Belfast. .

So it's the people of Belfast's fault that the Ulster GAA want a stadium 8k above what is required??

It sicken my hole the countryside bias towards the people of Belfast as if in some way we are better GAA people.

Ppl need to waken up and realise this stadium is being built to house concerts and not purely GAA.

Id say that the argument is not culchie v townie but just dong the job right and the Ulster council has fucked up completely and are buck-passing the way out rather than dealing with the issue...so if safety is the only problem then it should be the only thing that all stakeholders are concerned about...

weather today will be a great leveller...Tyrone by 23 points

Hope Tipp stuff ye now.

didn't take you long to change your mind - good job you've still got your sense of humour though...

weather today will be a great leveller...Tyrone by 23 points

U21 win I think is massive for us and for that management team. Nobody remembers nearly men, ask Mayo as it actually works against you psychologically.
I haven't saw Tipp but believe they're a great outfit but I would be happier with those U21s believing they are champions and then getting loads of back door matches away from the Ulster pressure cooker to build experience and confidence.
It should also push on players like Mattie, McCurry etc to the next level as they see the competition putting them under pressure.

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